Original Posted By: russell ray
Look at http://www.halcyon.com/wanttaja/engines.html for a good sourceof engine info including the horsepower and weight specs of thepowerplants involved. Also, from memory, I think the model A engine putsout about 40 hp and weighs about 240 pounds.Andy Schneider________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:> Andrew Schneider [SMTP:ajs(at)luminate.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Engine Info Site>What is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is the>Continental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can one>expect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform with>maximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?>>I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originally>powered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for many>years without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation">where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?>Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimal>cost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding the>A-40. Thank you.>>Ed Larsen>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Engine Info Site>What is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is the>Continental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can one>expect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform with>maximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?>>I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originally>powered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for many>years without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation">where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?>Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimal>cost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding the>A-40. Thank you.>>Ed Larsen>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Andrew Schneider [SMTP:ajs(at)luminate.com]
What is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is theContinental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can oneexpect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform withmaximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originallypowered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for manyyears without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation"where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimalcost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding theA-40. Thank you.Ed Larsen
What is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is theContinental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can oneexpect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform withmaximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originallypowered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for manyyears without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation"where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimalcost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding theA-40. Thank you.Ed Larsen
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Original Posted By: Andrew Schneider [SMTP:ajs(at)luminate.com]
Ed, you might get it off the ground solo, at sea level, but I think you willreally want the extra power. I would consider 65 hp minimum. If you canget 90 to 100 hp you will be pleased with the climb performance with twoaboard. I havn't tried to find parts for the -40, but they will be rare.-See you at Heber-Stevee-----Original Message-----Larsen, EdSent: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:20 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Engine Info SiteWhat is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is theContinental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can oneexpect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform withmaximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originallypowered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for manyyears without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation"where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimalcost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding theA-40. Thank you.Ed Larsen
Ed, you might get it off the ground solo, at sea level, but I think you willreally want the extra power. I would consider 65 hp minimum. If you canget 90 to 100 hp you will be pleased with the climb performance with twoaboard. I havn't tried to find parts for the -40, but they will be rare.-See you at Heber-Stevee-----Original Message-----Larsen, EdSent: Monday, September 14, 1998 10:20 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: RE: Engine Info SiteWhat is the minimum hp required to power an Air Camper well? Is theContinental A-40, 40 hp a contender? What kind of performance can oneexpect from an Air Camper powered with 40 hp? How would it perform withmaximum load : fuel and two passengers (I weigh in at 215 lbs.)?I might be able to get my hands on a Continental A-40 that originallypowered a Taylorcraft J-2. It has been out in the weather for manyyears without cowling or cover. I have seen an ad in "Sport Aviation"where they have parts for the A-40. Is it worth investing in an A-40?Will it provide the power needed, and can it be maintained with minimalcost? I would appreciate any feedback anyone might have regarding theA-40. Thank you.Ed Larsen
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Original Posted By: Larsen, Ed
Ed,It would appear that an A-40 would fly a Piet if it would fly a J-2. Thereis a very early production J-2 at Brodhead. I read an article in an oldBPAN where the guy thought the Model A Piet would out perform the A-40 J-2.I think it is likely as a converted A probably puts out more hp than a A-40,and more importantly, more torque. A draggy airframe like a Piet likes theslow turning prop.The A-40 would have a weight advantage which if properly exploited wouldmake up for its low output. However, what I have observed with a lot ofhomebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of thecertificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to theairframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electricsystems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, airconditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.Brian Kenney's Piet is said to be the lightest one on Earth. About 585 lbs.It has (I think) a 50 hp Continental, and is a good performer and goodflier. I know of another absolutely beautiful ship with a Fiesta that is a800+ lb monster. It flies as the result of having enough hp to drag itaround.I ramble on a bit to say that what I have learned from listening to a lot ofbuilders is that the key to a successful Piet (as well as any other type) iscontrol of weight. Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.John-----Original Message-----
Ed,It would appear that an A-40 would fly a Piet if it would fly a J-2. Thereis a very early production J-2 at Brodhead. I read an article in an oldBPAN where the guy thought the Model A Piet would out perform the A-40 J-2.I think it is likely as a converted A probably puts out more hp than a A-40,and more importantly, more torque. A draggy airframe like a Piet likes theslow turning prop.The A-40 would have a weight advantage which if properly exploited wouldmake up for its low output. However, what I have observed with a lot ofhomebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of thecertificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to theairframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electricsystems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, airconditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.Brian Kenney's Piet is said to be the lightest one on Earth. About 585 lbs.It has (I think) a 50 hp Continental, and is a good performer and goodflier. I know of another absolutely beautiful ship with a Fiesta that is a800+ lb monster. It flies as the result of having enough hp to drag itaround.I ramble on a bit to say that what I have learned from listening to a lot ofbuilders is that the key to a successful Piet (as well as any other type) iscontrol of weight. Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.John-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: oil can
>However, what I have observed with a lot of>homebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of the>certificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to the>airframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electric>systems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, air>conditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.>>Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.>Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.>>JohnROTFL! You're having too much fun with this, John. :)Glenn________________________________________________________________________________
>However, what I have observed with a lot of>homebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of the>certificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to the>airframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electric>systems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, air>conditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.>>Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.>Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.>>JohnROTFL! You're having too much fun with this, John. :)Glenn________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: russell ray
>However, what I have observed with a lot of>homebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of the>certificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to the>airframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electric>systems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, air>conditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.>>Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.>Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.>>JohnROTFL! You're having too much fun with this, John. :)Glenn________________________________________________________________________________
>However, what I have observed with a lot of>homebuilt airplanes, especially Piets, the weight advantage of the>certificated engine is more than offset by the useless junk added to the>airframe by its builder. I.e.: brakes, tailwheels, radios, electric>systems, batteries, bomb racks, refrigerators, machine guns, air>conditioning, canopies, fat women, armor plate etc, etc.>>Take that part you are considering adding to your ship.>Throw it up in the air. If it comes back down, its too heavy.>>JohnROTFL! You're having too much fun with this, John. :)Glenn________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Glenn Scherer
TNX for the humour/comonsense. Doug..________________________________________________________________________________
TNX for the humour/comonsense. Doug..________________________________________________________________________________