Original Posted By: The Endicotts
Am interested in the details of using the Escort engine. What is comparableweight with the Model A? I assume ou have the electrical system, so did youinclude the starter? This would be advantageous for those who shy from thehand prop method of firing up. Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I wouldwant to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if myalternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....Greg YotzLanhamOS(at)aol.com wrote:> Am interested in the details of using the Escort engine. What is comparable> weight with the Model A? I assume ou have the electrical system, so did you> include the starter? This would be advantageous for those who shy from the> hand prop method of firing up.> Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I wouldwant to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if myalternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....Greg YotzLanhamOS(at)aol.com wrote:> Am interested in the details of using the Escort engine. What is comparable> weight with the Model A? I assume ou have the electrical system, so did you> include the starter? This would be advantageous for those who shy from the> hand prop method of firing up.> Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "D.J.H."
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet> Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. Iwould>love to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on theflywheel>end like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, butmy>server says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E.Lanham>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet> Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. Iwould>love to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on theflywheel>end like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, butmy>server says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E.Lanham>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Mike Cunningham
The Ford Escort 1.9L weighs 275 pounds converted with a 2.5 to 1 redrive,but figure 300 1lbs with the cooling system. A Cont 0-200 weights around267 lbs. Somebody should be able to give you the weight of the Model A. My engine has both an alternator and a starter. I figure I have around 70h.p. but could easily go to around 100 with a cam grind. Solo theperformance is excellent.>>> 09/09 4:50 PM >>> Am interested in the details of using the Escort engine. What iscomparableweight with the Model A? I assume ou have the electrical system, so didyouinclude the starter? This would be advantageous for those who shy from thehand prop method of firing up. Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
The Ford Escort 1.9L weighs 275 pounds converted with a 2.5 to 1 redrive,but figure 300 1lbs with the cooling system. A Cont 0-200 weights around267 lbs. Somebody should be able to give you the weight of the Model A. My engine has both an alternator and a starter. I figure I have around 70h.p. but could easily go to around 100 with a cam grind. Solo theperformance is excellent.>>> 09/09 4:50 PM >>> Am interested in the details of using the Escort engine. What iscomparableweight with the Model A? I assume ou have the electrical system, so didyouinclude the starter? This would be advantageous for those who shy from thehand prop method of firing up. Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. I wouldlove to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on the flywheelend like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, but myserver says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. I wouldlove to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on the flywheelend like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, but myserver says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E. Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Andrew Schneider
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, William Conway wrote:> The Ford Escort 1.9L weighs 275 pounds converted with a 2.5 to 1> redrive, but figure 300 1lbs with the cooling system. A Cont 0-200> weights around 267 lbs. Somebody should be able to give you the weight> of the Model A. My engine has both an alternator and a starter. I> figure I have around 70 h.p. but could easily go to around 100 with a> cam grind. Solo the performance is excellent. I'd re-check your 0-200 weight estimates. The shipping weight of myC-85-12F (full electrics and wooden CRATE complete with TIRE) was 255 lbs.The 0-200 and C-85-12F share essentially the same case, jugs andaccessories. The only difference is the crank, rods, pistons and cam.Most C-85/C-90/0-200 installations should come out to about 210-230 lbsincluding exhaust. This can vary depending on your choice of accessories. The new altenators and starters are coming out pretty light these days.Ken________________________________________________________________________________
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, William Conway wrote:> The Ford Escort 1.9L weighs 275 pounds converted with a 2.5 to 1> redrive, but figure 300 1lbs with the cooling system. A Cont 0-200> weights around 267 lbs. Somebody should be able to give you the weight> of the Model A. My engine has both an alternator and a starter. I> figure I have around 70 h.p. but could easily go to around 100 with a> cam grind. Solo the performance is excellent. I'd re-check your 0-200 weight estimates. The shipping weight of myC-85-12F (full electrics and wooden CRATE complete with TIRE) was 255 lbs.The 0-200 and C-85-12F share essentially the same case, jugs andaccessories. The only difference is the crank, rods, pistons and cam.Most C-85/C-90/0-200 installations should come out to about 210-230 lbsincluding exhaust. This can vary depending on your choice of accessories. The new altenators and starters are coming out pretty light these days.Ken________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
The figure that comes to mind for the Ford A is something like 245 lbs. Idon't think that includes radiator and water.John-----Original Message-----
The figure that comes to mind for the Ford A is something like 245 lbs. Idon't think that includes radiator and water.John-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Eli or Robert or Teresa Bozeman
The prop is mounted on a 2.5 to 1 reduction: with the engine turnedaround, the smaller reduction is on the flywheel and the larger is boltedto the block just below where the distributer was located. The reductionunit is simple with no separate housing. Since we have just five hourson the set up--original builder had 46, it remains to be seen how we'lllike it in the long run.>>> 09/11 3:49 PM >>> Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. Iwouldlove to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on theflywheelend like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, butmyserver says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E.Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
The prop is mounted on a 2.5 to 1 reduction: with the engine turnedaround, the smaller reduction is on the flywheel and the larger is boltedto the block just below where the distributer was located. The reductionunit is simple with no separate housing. Since we have just five hourson the set up--original builder had 46, it remains to be seen how we'lllike it in the long run.>>> 09/11 3:49 PM >>> Thanks for the replay.. I think the Model A weighs about 450 lbs. Iwouldlove to hear our engine, and see you fly. Is the prop mounted on theflywheelend like the Model A conversion? I have tried to get to the pix site, butmyserver says.. something is wrong and I can't access it. Dr. Orville E.Lanham________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: oil can
>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I would>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if my>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup system:I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcyclealternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the samebattery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in themotorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this summerwas the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in themotorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.I know that a new battery can fail, but.... This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 yearswithout any fail (nock wood
.SaludosGary GowerPS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording toGreat Plains mantainance calendar. ________________________________________________________________________________
>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I would>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if my>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup system:I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcyclealternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the samebattery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in themotorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this summerwas the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in themotorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.I know that a new battery can fail, but.... This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 yearswithout any fail (nock wood
.SaludosGary GowerPS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording toGreat Plains mantainance calendar. ________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Gary, I'm flying with no backup. However, I do have all new ignitionparts, a volt meter in the panel, and a regular sized car battery (525cold crank amps) with terrific reserve starting power. I used a smaller lawnmower battery for a while but didn't feel good about it. It wouldalways run down while I was tuning the engine--lots of starts. I'm usingthe regular Ford Escort alternator. I figure with the big battery theengine will run for hours if the alternator quits. In the meantime I keepan eye on the volt meter for 14+ volts charging. I inspect the batterycables regularly. Naturally I pay a weight penalty--770 lb plane. Ifigure how often does a car ignition fail and gain some comfort. Yeah,I'm still concerned about it. >>> Gary Gower 10/20 6:51 PM >>>>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? Iwould>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery soif my>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backupsystem:I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcyclealternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the samebattery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in themotorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, thissummerwas the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in themotorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.I know that a new battery can fail, but....This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 yearswithout any fail (nock wood.SaludosGary GowerPS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acordingtoGreat Plains mantainance calendar.________________________________________________________________________________
Gary, I'm flying with no backup. However, I do have all new ignitionparts, a volt meter in the panel, and a regular sized car battery (525cold crank amps) with terrific reserve starting power. I used a smaller lawnmower battery for a while but didn't feel good about it. It wouldalways run down while I was tuning the engine--lots of starts. I'm usingthe regular Ford Escort alternator. I figure with the big battery theengine will run for hours if the alternator quits. In the meantime I keepan eye on the volt meter for 14+ volts charging. I inspect the batterycables regularly. Naturally I pay a weight penalty--770 lb plane. Ifigure how often does a car ignition fail and gain some comfort. Yeah,I'm still concerned about it. >>> Gary Gower 10/20 6:51 PM >>>>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? Iwould>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery soif my>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backupsystem:I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcyclealternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the samebattery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in themotorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, thissummerwas the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in themotorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.I know that a new battery can fail, but....This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 yearswithout any fail (nock wood
.SaludosGary GowerPS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acordingtoGreat Plains mantainance calendar.________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
In the last four years I made an on hand experiment: I used to have a 1983 Datsun Station wagon, and in 3 years of everydaydriving (my wife Aida drove it) I never changed plugs or points, every yearI only regaped the points (the friction block normal use).I made this in porpouse because I wanted to use the .009 distributor in theairplane. I am convinced because that little engine never missed a beat!!My other car is a 1,800 VW Bus with the 4 in line (Golf type) engine,electronic ignition.The only engine mantainance I give is oil change and plugs, has almost100,000 miles and the only engine ralated failure was that the idle bearingfor the timing belt freezed and broked the timing belt (2 months ago), Iuse it as my everyday transport and for vacation trips with the family.The only backup is the spare tyre :-)Since 6 months ago I bought for Aida a VW Golf.The guy that bought my Datsun still has not changed the points, only thespark plugs, the electrode from the plugs (the middle point) was completlyfinished, level with the insulator but still firing!In the plane's engine In the mantainance list its logged to replace thepoints, condenser and plugs every 50 hrs or 1 year (what ever is first), Ijust dont want to push start my plane in a cloud ONE IMPORTANT THING isto regap the points at the first 5 hrs of changing, for the normal wear fitof the new points. In the points era, cars was very common to have the car"tuned up" before a vacation trip, only to have an engine failure at themiddle of the road because the points closed. SaludosGary Gower>Gary, I'm flying with no backup. However, I do have all new ignitionparts, a volt meter in the panel, and a regular sized car battery (525 coldcrank amps) with terrific reserve starting power. I used a smallerlawnmower battery for a while but didn't feel good about it. It wouldalways run down while I was tuning the engine--lots of starts. I'm usingthe regular Ford Escort alternator. I figure with the big battery theengine will run for hours if the alternator quits. In the meantime I keepan eye on the volt meter for 14+ volts charging. I inspect the batterycables regularly. Naturally I pay a weight penalty--770 lb plane. I figurehow often does a car ignition fail and gain some comfort. Yeah, I'm stillconcerned about it.> >>>> Gary Gower 10/20 6:51 PM >>>>>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I would>>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if my>>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>>>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup system:>>I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle>alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same>battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the>motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane>:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this summer>was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the>motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.>>I know that a new battery can fail, but.... >>This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years>without any fail (nock wood .>>Saludos>>>Gary Gower>>PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording to>Great Plains mantainance calendar.>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
In the last four years I made an on hand experiment: I used to have a 1983 Datsun Station wagon, and in 3 years of everydaydriving (my wife Aida drove it) I never changed plugs or points, every yearI only regaped the points (the friction block normal use).I made this in porpouse because I wanted to use the .009 distributor in theairplane. I am convinced because that little engine never missed a beat!!My other car is a 1,800 VW Bus with the 4 in line (Golf type) engine,electronic ignition.The only engine mantainance I give is oil change and plugs, has almost100,000 miles and the only engine ralated failure was that the idle bearingfor the timing belt freezed and broked the timing belt (2 months ago), Iuse it as my everyday transport and for vacation trips with the family.The only backup is the spare tyre :-)Since 6 months ago I bought for Aida a VW Golf.The guy that bought my Datsun still has not changed the points, only thespark plugs, the electrode from the plugs (the middle point) was completlyfinished, level with the insulator but still firing!In the plane's engine In the mantainance list its logged to replace thepoints, condenser and plugs every 50 hrs or 1 year (what ever is first), Ijust dont want to push start my plane in a cloud
ONE IMPORTANT THING isto regap the points at the first 5 hrs of changing, for the normal wear fitof the new points. In the points era, cars was very common to have the car"tuned up" before a vacation trip, only to have an engine failure at themiddle of the road because the points closed. SaludosGary Gower>Gary, I'm flying with no backup. However, I do have all new ignitionparts, a volt meter in the panel, and a regular sized car battery (525 coldcrank amps) with terrific reserve starting power. I used a smallerlawnmower battery for a while but didn't feel good about it. It wouldalways run down while I was tuning the engine--lots of starts. I'm usingthe regular Ford Escort alternator. I figure with the big battery theengine will run for hours if the alternator quits. In the meantime I keepan eye on the volt meter for 14+ volts charging. I inspect the batterycables regularly. Naturally I pay a weight penalty--770 lb plane. I figurehow often does a car ignition fail and gain some comfort. Yeah, I'm stillconcerned about it.> >>>> Gary Gower 10/20 6:51 PM >>>>>What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I would>>want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so if my>>alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>>>>>In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup system:>>I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle>alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same>battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the>motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane>:-) I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this summer>was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the>motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.>>I know that a new battery can fail, but.... >>This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years>without any fail (nock wood .>>Saludos>>>Gary Gower>>PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording to>Great Plains mantainance calendar.>> >>________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet
Original Posted By: "Mr. Carmen A. Natalie"
Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?Thanks, Larry> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? Iwould> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery soif> my> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....> >> >> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup> system:> > I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane> I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, thissummer> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.> > I know that a new battery can fail, but.... > > This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years> without any fail (nock wood .> > Saludos> > > Gary Gower> > PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acordingto> Great Plains mantainance calendar.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?Thanks, Larry> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? Iwould> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery soif> my> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....> >> >> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup> system:> > I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the plane>
I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, thissummer> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.> > I know that a new battery can fail, but.... > > This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years> without any fail (nock wood .> > Saludos> > > Gary Gower> > PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acordingto> Great Plains mantainance calendar.> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
No, in fact is a "little" modified Ramsey Bathtub from the 1932 Flying andGlider Manual (plans in page 60).The modifications are:Structure of the tail braced with tubes not with wires.Tail a little bit shorter (2.5 times the wing chord, as in Bejoun's booklet)Converted as a tricycle gear.Tailfeders hinges from tube, not with plaquettes (sp?)Wittman=B4s Tailwind type pedals.Several "modern" safer parts that I have read from, developed since 1929.Now (beguined last month) I am building new wings with a Ribblet airfoil,need more climb (4997 ASL grass Aerodrome).I sincerly NOT recomend modifying a plane... LOTS of unfinishing work, butyou need lots of patience, reading and research. At least this season flewgood and safe enough, but with not much climbing performance. Great littleairplane, I love to work in it.I also own (in partenship) a VP-1 that will be finished this year (hope), webought it 90% finished, the owner lost his job and got a new job in anotherState but could not take it with him, (he still owns a Share, pilots arelike brothers here).SaludosGary Gower>Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?>Thanks, Larry>>---------->> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I>would>> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so>if>> my>> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>> >>> >>> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup>> system:>>>> I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle>> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same>> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the>> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the= plane>> I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this>summer>> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the>> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.>>>> I know that a new battery can fail, but....>>>> This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years>> without any fail (nock wood .>>>> Saludos>>>>>> Gary Gower>>>> PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording>to>> Great Plains mantainance calendar.>>>> >>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
No, in fact is a "little" modified Ramsey Bathtub from the 1932 Flying andGlider Manual (plans in page 60).The modifications are:Structure of the tail braced with tubes not with wires.Tail a little bit shorter (2.5 times the wing chord, as in Bejoun's booklet)Converted as a tricycle gear.Tailfeders hinges from tube, not with plaquettes (sp?)Wittman=B4s Tailwind type pedals.Several "modern" safer parts that I have read from, developed since 1929.Now (beguined last month) I am building new wings with a Ribblet airfoil,need more climb (4997 ASL grass Aerodrome).I sincerly NOT recomend modifying a plane... LOTS of unfinishing work, butyou need lots of patience, reading and research. At least this season flewgood and safe enough, but with not much climbing performance. Great littleairplane, I love to work in it.I also own (in partenship) a VP-1 that will be finished this year (hope), webought it 90% finished, the owner lost his job and got a new job in anotherState but could not take it with him, (he still owns a Share, pilots arelike brothers here).SaludosGary Gower>Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?>Thanks, Larry>>---------->> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the escort? I>would>> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell battery so>if>> my>> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning....>> >>> >>> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple backup>> system:>>>> I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motorcycle>> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I use the same>> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always goes in the>> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than the= plane>>
I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year, this>summer>> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's battery in the>> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.>>>> I know that a new battery can fail, but....>>>> This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more than 4 years>> without any fail (nock wood .>>>> Saludos>>>>>> Gary Gower>>>> PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc. acording>to>> Great Plains mantainance calendar.>>>> >>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Escort Powered Piet
Original Posted By: ADonJr(at)aol.com
Gary,Would you please send me your e-mail address? Thanks, Larry> No, in fact is a "little" modified Ramsey Bathtub from the 1932 Fly=ing and> Glider Manual (plans in page 60).>> The modifications are:>> Structure of the tail braced with tubes not with wires.> Tail a little bit shorter (2.5 times the wing chord, as in Bejoun'sbooklet)> Converted as a tricycle gear.> Tailfeders hinges from tube, not with plaquettes (sp?)> Wittman=B4s Tailwind type pedals.> Several "modern" safer parts that I have read from, developed since= 1929.>> Now (beguined last month) I am building new wings with a Ribblet ai=rfoil,> need more climb (4997 ASL grass Aerodrome).>> I sincerly NOT recomend modifying a plane... LOTS of unfinishing wo=rk, but> you need lots of patience, reading and research. At least this sea=sonflew> good and safe enough, but with not much climbing performance. Grea=tlittle> airplane, I love to work in it.>> I also own (in partenship) a VP-1 that will be finished this year (=hope),we> bought it 90% finished, the owner lost his job and got a new job inanother> State but could not take it with him, (he still owns a Share, pilot=s are> like brothers here).>> Saludos>> Gary Gower>> >Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?> >Thanks, Larry> >> >----------> >> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the es=cort?I> >would> >> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell b=atteryso> >if> >> my> >> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning=....> >> >> >> >> >> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple= backup> >> system:> >>> >> I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motor=cycle> >> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I usethesame> >> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always go=es inthe> >> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than= theplane> >> I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year,= this> >summer> >> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's batte=ry inthe> >> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.> >>> >> I know that a new battery can fail, but....> >>> >> This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more tha=n 4years> >> without any fail (nock wood .> >>> >> Saludos> >>> >>> >> Gary Gower> >>> >> PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc.acording> >to> >> Great Plains mantainance calendar.> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
Gary,Would you please send me your e-mail address? Thanks, Larry> No, in fact is a "little" modified Ramsey Bathtub from the 1932 Fly=ing and> Glider Manual (plans in page 60).>> The modifications are:>> Structure of the tail braced with tubes not with wires.> Tail a little bit shorter (2.5 times the wing chord, as in Bejoun'sbooklet)> Converted as a tricycle gear.> Tailfeders hinges from tube, not with plaquettes (sp?)> Wittman=B4s Tailwind type pedals.> Several "modern" safer parts that I have read from, developed since= 1929.>> Now (beguined last month) I am building new wings with a Ribblet ai=rfoil,> need more climb (4997 ASL grass Aerodrome).>> I sincerly NOT recomend modifying a plane... LOTS of unfinishing wo=rk, but> you need lots of patience, reading and research. At least this sea=sonflew> good and safe enough, but with not much climbing performance. Grea=tlittle> airplane, I love to work in it.>> I also own (in partenship) a VP-1 that will be finished this year (=hope),we> bought it 90% finished, the owner lost his job and got a new job inanother> State but could not take it with him, (he still owns a Share, pilot=s are> like brothers here).>> Saludos>> Gary Gower>> >Is your VW powered plane a Volksplane?> >Thanks, Larry> >> >----------> >> >What is everyone doing for a backup on power plants like the es=cort?I> >would> >> >want to use a circuit that would allow for a backup jell-cell b=atteryso> >if> >> my> >> >alternator or main battery died my engine wouldn't stop turning=....> >> >> >> >> >> In my actual plane (not a Piet of course) I am using this simple= backup> >> system:> >>> >> I use a VW 1,850 cc. engine with normal .009 distributor, motor=cycle> >> alternator (from a Honda 125 cc) and a 12 volt battery. I usethesame> >> battery as the one in my motorcycle, the older battery always go=es inthe> >> motorcycle, that way is easyer to push-start the motorcycle than= theplane> >>
I service both batteries the same saturday 3 times a year,= this> >summer> >> was the first motorcycle's battery fail, I put the plane's batte=ry inthe> >> motorcycle and a brand new one in the plane.> >>> >> I know that a new battery can fail, but....> >>> >> This system has worked in another friends volkplane for more tha=n 4years> >> without any fail (nock wood .> >>> >> Saludos> >>> >>> >> Gary Gower> >>> >> PS Of course, we do mantainance to the plugs, change oil, etc.acording> >to> >> Great Plains mantainance calendar.> >>> >> > >>> >>> >> >> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________