Original Posted By: Larry Pasley
This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try theGeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved all aluminumoverhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a 1996engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what type ofcockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have been severalfinished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines with cockpitheat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders andcompiling a selection of solutions.Best Regards,Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: Raffaele Bellissimo
Hi Larry, The weight of the engine alone, without radiator, prop or redrive unit isright at 160 pounds. Am putting it on the long-fuse version, and expect to needto place the battery box in the engine area for weight & balanceconsiderations....have a ways to go before know that for sure.WarrenLarry Pasley wrote:> The Geo engine is interesting. Knew there were three cyn. Geo engines, but> not four. What is your engine weight?>> ----------> > This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the> > GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved all> aluminum> > overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a> 1996> > engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what type> of> > cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have been> several> > finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines with> cockpit> > heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and> > compiling a selection of solutions.> > Best Regards,> > Warren> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Larry, The weight of the engine alone, without radiator, prop or redrive unit isright at 160 pounds. Am putting it on the long-fuse version, and expect to needto place the battery box in the engine area for weight & balanceconsiderations....have a ways to go before know that for sure.WarrenLarry Pasley wrote:> The Geo engine is interesting. Knew there were three cyn. Geo engines, but> not four. What is your engine weight?>> ----------> > This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the> > GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved all> aluminum> > overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a> 1996> > engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what type> of> > cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have been> several> > finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines with> cockpit> > heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and> > compiling a selection of solutions.> > Best Regards,> > Warren> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
The Geo engine is interesting. Knew there were three cyn. Geo engines, butnot four. What is your engine weight? > This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the> GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved allaluminum> overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a1996> engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what typeof> cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have beenseveral> finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines withcockpit> heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and> compiling a selection of solutions.> Best Regards,> Warren> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
The Geo engine is interesting. Knew there were three cyn. Geo engines, butnot four. What is your engine weight? > This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the> GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved allaluminum> overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a1996> engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what typeof> cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have beenseveral> finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines withcockpit> heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and> compiling a selection of solutions.> Best Regards,> Warren> > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: "Warren D. Shoun"
Hi Warren,> This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the>GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. What's been the history of this engine in planes? Any idea of how many arebeing used/reliability? What HP is the four cylinder?Ed________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Warren,> This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the>GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. What's been the history of this engine in planes? Any idea of how many arebeing used/reliability? What HP is the four cylinder?Ed________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: rdecosta(at)autoeurope.com (Richard DeCosta)
Hi Ed, I am not an absolute expert on these things. The best I can do is pointyou in a couple of directions for information. Some of the office courier services here in So.Cal. have very successfullyused the GeoMetro autos for 150,000 miles of hard use and little maintenanceand 45-55 mpg. at freeway speeds. Horsepower appears to be 65 for 3 cylinderand 85 for 4 cylinder. With 6 psi boost from water-cooled Subaru turbo goes upto as much as 120 HP. Direct transfer to aircraft may not be applicable. Two web-page sources of info that you might find interesting: 1. www.raven-rotor.com 2. www.flash.net/~swagaero Have most of the parts and gradually working up a useable engine whiledoing the wood work at the same time.Best Regards,Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Ed, I am not an absolute expert on these things. The best I can do is pointyou in a couple of directions for information. Some of the office courier services here in So.Cal. have very successfullyused the GeoMetro autos for 150,000 miles of hard use and little maintenanceand 45-55 mpg. at freeway speeds. Horsepower appears to be 65 for 3 cylinderand 85 for 4 cylinder. With 6 psi boost from water-cooled Subaru turbo goes upto as much as 120 HP. Direct transfer to aircraft may not be applicable. Two web-page sources of info that you might find interesting: 1. www.raven-rotor.com 2. www.flash.net/~swagaero Have most of the parts and gradually working up a useable engine whiledoing the wood work at the same time.Best Regards,Warren________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: TLC62770(at)aol.com
> This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the>GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved all= aluminum>overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a= 1996>engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what type of>cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have been= several>finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines with= cockpit>heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and>compiling a selection of solutions.>Best Regards,>Warren>Here we dont really need heating in winter, just a good jacket and acomplete wool hat ("head and face" type) under the helmet and goggles willdo, even for the Quicksilver ultralight pilots. But take a look at the VW Rabbit heater the core is small.Here is an idea: If you dont have an electric system to run the tiny heatermotor, make a little adjustable "window" and duct a tiny "adjustable" breezythrough the core and to the feet... will work great with very little waterweight, it will heat the cabin well enough. Even in an open coptit (sp?)make the window in the other side of the exhaust mufflers...Saludos ------------------- initial= testing!=09EAA Chapter 1039 President | -------- working on:Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1929 Ramsey= Bathtubggower(at)informador.com.mx | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%= finishedGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO | modifying wings)Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" in Chapala: Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W= 103=BA09.606'(Grass) Main Strip 14/32 700 mts (2,300') (PAK 123.45) Right pattern to 14=(avoid flying over town) only light airplanes, check ASL & power available! ________________________________________________________________________________
> This was one of the several considerations when I decided to try the>GeoMetro 4 cylinder as my engine for the Piet. It is a sleeved all= aluminum>overhead cam engine, with what appears to be great reliability. Have a= 1996>engine with 14,000 miles for $850.00. Have not yet decided on what type of>cockpit heater to use. In the EAA monthly magazines, there have been= several>finished planes that mention that they have water-cooled engines with= cockpit>heat exchangers connected for heat. Plan on contacting these builders and>compiling a selection of solutions.>Best Regards,>Warren>Here we dont really need heating in winter, just a good jacket and acomplete wool hat ("head and face" type) under the helmet and goggles willdo, even for the Quicksilver ultralight pilots. But take a look at the VW Rabbit heater the core is small.Here is an idea: If you dont have an electric system to run the tiny heatermotor, make a little adjustable "window" and duct a tiny "adjustable" breezythrough the core and to the feet... will work great with very little waterweight, it will heat the cabin well enough. Even in an open coptit (sp?)make the window in the other side of the exhaust mufflers...Saludos ------------------- initial= testing!=09EAA Chapter 1039 President | -------- working on:Delegado Regional FEMEDA-FAI | 1,835 VW 2 place "modified" 1929 Ramsey= Bathtubggower(at)informador.com.mx | FAI Legal Ultralight (224 Kg dry) (90%= finishedGuadalajara, Jalisco, MEXICO | modifying wings)Aerodromo "Paco Yerena" in Chapala: Alt 4,997' ASL N 20=BA18.610' W= 103=BA09.606'(Grass) Main Strip 14/32 700 mts (2,300') (PAK 123.45) Right pattern to 14=(avoid flying over town) only light airplanes, check ASL & power available! ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
I wasat a truck stop this summer and saw a heater used in big rigs . It' 12vwith a small fan . it only weighs 4.5 lbs. also i've seen ciramic heaters 12vwith a fan . it was very small and weighs very little .________________________________________________________________________________
I wasat a truck stop this summer and saw a heater used in big rigs . It' 12vwith a small fan . it only weighs 4.5 lbs. also i've seen ciramic heaters 12vwith a fan . it was very small and weighs very little .________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Mike Cunningham
That sounds great but what about that 12v battery that runs it. >I wasat a truck stop this summer and saw a heater used in big rigs . It' 12v>with a small fan . it only weighs 4.5 lbs. also i've seen ciramic heaters12v>with a fan . it was very small and weighs very little .>>________________________________________________________________________________
That sounds great but what about that 12v battery that runs it. >I wasat a truck stop this summer and saw a heater used in big rigs . It' 12v>with a small fan . it only weighs 4.5 lbs. also i've seen ciramic heaters12v>with a fan . it was very small and weighs very little .>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Cockpit heating
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I would think that with a water cooled engine you could run a ductfrom behind the main radiator to the cockpit for heating. This would savethe weight of the extra radiator, tubing, valve, fan , and water in thesystem. Marc Davis ________________________________________________________________________________
I would think that with a water cooled engine you could run a ductfrom behind the main radiator to the cockpit for heating. This would savethe weight of the extra radiator, tubing, valve, fan , and water in thesystem. Marc Davis ________________________________________________________________________________