Original Posted By: Raffaele Bellissimo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hinges>Oh no!>>I was ready to glue the stabilizer together when I realized that I have>to install the hinges first. I haven't gotten them yet! (Silly me, I>thought I'd build the tail peices and install the hinges later )>>I haven't got access to a torch right now, so I can't make my own. Where>have other people been getting hinges? Any chance I can get something>suitable at the local hardware store?>>Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com>Dublin, OH>>________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By:> Dean Dayton
You can get cast aluminum hinges from Vi. Kapler. They are $27.00 for aset. There is some filing required for proper fit. Address: Vitalis J.KaplerForest Hills Dr. S. W.Mn 55902507-288-3322
Original Posted By: PTNPOL(at)aol.com
Oh no!I was ready to glue the stabilizer together when I realized that I have to install the hinges first. I haven't gotten them yet! (Silly me, I thought I'd build the tail peices and install the hinges later )I haven't got access to a torch right now, so I can't make my own. Where have other people been getting hinges? Any chance I can get something suitable at the local hardware store?Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.comDublin, OH________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Dean,I used standard "eye" bolts. But if you do? You must use clevis bolts withcastle nuts and pin rather than lock nuts. This is because there is rotationon the parts and could work a lock nut off. Also I think someone fromBrodhead (Vi Kapler I think?) sell a complete set of original style aluminumhinges. this would also save you some weight.Domenico-----Original Message-----
Original Posted By: Alan Swanson
Dean,Vi Kappler makes a set of cast aluminum hinges for about $30.00. He is listedon the BPA pages under Piet Stuff for Sale, I think.Don Cooley________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
Are you talking about the hinges the connect the horiz stab to theelevator? Do you just mean you have to cut the holes for the hingesfirst, or you have to actually install them? I have JUST started workon my tail section.---Dean Dayton wrote:>> Oh no!> > I was ready to glue the stabilizer together when I realized that Ihave > to install the hinges first. I haven't gotten them yet! (Silly me, I > thought I'd build the tail peices and install the hinges later )> > I haven't got access to a torch right now, so I can't make my own.Where > have other people been getting hinges? Any chance I can getsomething > suitable at the local hardware store?> > Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com> Dublin, OH> > > ==http://www.wrld.com/w3builder"Mind that bus!" "What bus?" SPLAT!________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
It looks to me like the outermost hinges on the horizontal stabilizer must be installed before the cross brace is installed. Then the cross brace is going to have to be trimmed around the bolt and nut.It may also be difficult to get a wrench or socket between the gusset to tighten up some of the nuts.I am leary of drilling holes for hardware that I don't have yet. The hole pattern may not be exactly as expected.Do you see another way to do this? Am I misreading the plans?>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 04:06:27 -0800 (PST)>From: Richard DeCosta >Subject: Re: hinges>To: Pietenpol Discussion >Reply-to: Pietenpol Discussion >>Are you talking about the hinges the connect the horiz stab to the>elevator? Do you just mean you have to cut the holes for the hinges>first, or you have to actually install them? I have JUST started work>on my tail section.>>>---Dean Dayton wrote:>>>> Oh no!>> >> I was ready to glue the stabilizer together when I realized that I>have >> to install the hinges first. I haven't gotten them yet! (Silly me, I >> thought I'd build the tail peices and install the hinges later )>> >> I haven't got access to a torch right now, so I can't make my own.>Where >> have other people been getting hinges? Any chance I can get>something >> suitable at the local hardware store?>> >> Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com>> Dublin, OH>> >> >> >>==>http://www.wrld.com/w3builder>"Mind that bus!" "What bus?" SPLAT!>>________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Dean Dayton
>It looks to me like the outermost hinges on the horizontal stabilizer >must be installed before the cross brace is installed. Then the cross >brace is going to have to be trimmed around the bolt and nut.>>It may also be difficult to get a wrench or socket between the gusset to >tighten up some of the nuts.>>I am leary of drilling holes for hardware that I don't have yet. The >hole pattern may not be exactly as expected.>>Do you see another way to do this? Am I misreading the plans?Dean- Good thinking going on with you. Your sequence of assemblycan go either way. I opted for finishing the elevators and verticalstab/rudderand then installing the hinges. I used a forstner drill bit to make accessholesin those plywood gussets you mention to get the self-locking elastic stop nutson those hinge bolts. I think about 1/2" or 3/4" diam.....just enough toget myopen/closed head wench into. I put those holes on the bottom side of theelevator so if anyone ever needs to replace the hinges all they need to do iscut the fabric circle out an whala, the back of the nut/bolt is there.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Thanks for the info Mike. Now one more question. What is a forstner bit?>I used a forstner drill bit to make access>holesDean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: RdwdSgn(at)aol.com
>Thanks for the info Mike. >>Now one more question. What is a forstner bit?Dean- Sure thing. It's a drill bit that has a smaller steel shaft but the head is like a hockey puck witha point out the bottom and two cutting 'blades' on thesides. They usually sell them in sets of 4 or 5 in littlewood boxes. FAIRly reasonable too as I recall for aset of import brands- which for the Piet was perfect.I used them for lots of other holes in the Piet. They let you drill thru without damaging anything underneath.The ultimate drill I found though is called a Unibit. It isa cone shaped bit with 'steps' in it and cuts wood/alum,steel. Awesome. I shelled out big bucks but got it backdoing things like holes in the cowling and cockpit alum.covers. Perfect holes. It was as I recall 35$ to 40$ forthe larger size but I use it still of other things. Course theold hole saws are fine too but I tend to loose them or thearbors. I'm sure that's more infor than you wanted butwe're kind of slow at work this new year's eve !!Mike C. >>________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Jim Weir
Mike - That's great info. Thanks for sharing.>I'm sure that's more infor than you wanted but>we're kind of slow at work this new year's eve !!________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Raffaele Bellissimo
> get my> open/closed head wench into.God, I've been looking for one of these for years. Where did you find her?{;-)Jim________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Larry Ragan
>> get my>> open/closed head wench into.>> OOOPS. That's what happens when Iforget to use the sphellcheeekker.MC>God, I've been looking for one of these for years. Where did you find her?>>{;-)>>Jim>________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By:>> Dean Dayton
Thanks, I just ordered a set. The price is up to $35 now.>Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 00:14:48 +0000>From: Phil Phillips >Subject: Re: hinges>To: Pietenpol Discussion >Reply-to: Pietenpol Discussion >>You can get cast aluminum hinges from Vi. Kapler. They are $27.00 for a>set. There is some filing required for proper fit. Address: Vitalis J.>Kapler>Forest Hills Dr. S. W.Rochester,>Mn 55902>507-288-3322>>----------
Original Posted By: greg(at)controlvision.com (Greg Yotz)
Just wanted to bring up hinges again. After starting a discussion lastmonth , I took all the input, and decided to stay with original looking. What I did was to make out of .040" 4130 1 1/4x 9/16 strips. Bentthese in the middle, used one flat on the bottom and two angled "L's",back to back to make the "male". And with a "U" in the middle to makethe "female". Clamp them lightly and weld all around the edges.Sounds complicated , but it's not. Just grind the top round beforefinal welding. Because of everyones advice, I made the pieces about 1/4" taller forspacing.Already routed them into the elevator and rudder and they work great! Glad I stayed with the old look.Put them on Aircamper.orghttp://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/wbehinges.jpgwaltJust wanted to bring up hingesagain.After starting a discussion last month , I took all the input, anddecided tostay with original looking. What I did was to make out of.0404130 1 1/4x 9/16 strips. Bent these in themiddle,used one flat on the bottom and two angled L's, back to backto makethe male. And with a U in the middle tomake thefemale. Clamp them lightly and weld all aroundtheedges.Sounds complicated , but it'snot. Justgrind the top round before final welding.Because of everyones advice, I madethe piecesabout 1/4 taller for spacing.Already routed them into theelevator and rudderand they work great! Glad I stayed with the old look.Put them onAircamper.orghref"http://www.aircamper.org/users/wevans/w ... __________
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator TravelDoug,I don't have any data on the elevator travel on the Pietenpol but looked up an old shop manual for the -100 series Cessnas amd found that the travel ranged from a low of 25 up and 15 down for the C150 to a high of 28 up and 26 down for the C175.What kind of tail wheel do you have on the Piet? I've flown airplanes where the tailwheel was too large and tended to touch down first which could cause a forward pitching moment. If a pilot were to be on the brakes when the mains hit you could very easily wind up on your back. Hope this helps. Tom Travis________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 11:18:36 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hinges
Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hinges AirCamperpietenpol-list(at)matronics.comIn a message dated 10/3/00 5:42:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aircamper(at)yahoo.com writes:>I bolted all mine using #8 hardware. I never thought about using glue also. I wouldn't think gluing is needed for any reason. Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2000 12:51:59 -0400
Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: hingesPlans sheet "Drawing NO.2" has "Note: cast aluminum hinges are now used as standard equipment"Where would these be available from?Regards, Chrissi & RandiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?vide ... 0000000002)________________________________________________________________________________
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
>> >>Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com________________________________________________________________________________
)>>I haven't got access to a torch right now, so I can't make my own. Where>have other people been getting hinges? Any chance I can get something>suitable at the local hardware store?>>Dean Dayton - deandayton(at)hotmail.com>Dublin, OH>>________________________________________________________________________________