Original Posted By: Kevin McDonald
Subject: Painting big numbers I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paintmy N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. anysuggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to the wings? Steve e Provo Steve Eldredge Steve(at)byu.edu IT Services Brigham Young University________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Painting big numbers
Pietenpol-List: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Ken Hannan
I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to pain=t myN-number in large letters on the wing.=A0 I want to go about 24" high=.=A0 anysuggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?=A0Steve eProvo=A0Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University=A0________________________________________________________________________________
I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to pain=t myN-number in large letters on the wing.=A0 I want to go about 24" high=.=A0 anysuggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?=A0Steve eProvo=A0Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University=A0________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Steve the sign shops have masking film that they can cut on computer. If youcan not find one then give me a call and I will have the sign shop next doordo it.Ken Hannan1-888-693-2496 toll free -----Original Message-----
Steve the sign shops have masking film that they can cut on computer. If youcan not find one then give me a call and I will have the sign shop next doordo it.Ken Hannan1-888-693-2496 toll free -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> > I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' myTri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...Ktm________________________________________________________________________________
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> > I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' myTri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...Ktm________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
I thought of this and intend to paint only on the top of the wing. Maybestill not a good idea?Steve E.-----Original Message-----Kevin McDonaldSent: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:56 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numberssteve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' myTri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...Ktm________________________________________________________________________________
I thought of this and intend to paint only on the top of the wing. Maybestill not a good idea?Steve E.-----Original Message-----Kevin McDonaldSent: Monday, March 08, 1999 1:56 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numberssteve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' myTri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...Ktm________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Steve,This doesn't answer your question regarding how toapply letters but it does have relevance to aircraftmarkings from the late '20's.Edited for brevity:Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,effective June 1, 1928:Places and dimensions of marks."...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord is morethan 30 inches, the height ofthe letters and figures need not be more but shall notbe less than 30 inches.In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lowersurface of the left wing andthe upper surface of the right wing.The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size as largeas the surface will permit,leaving a margin of at least two inches.The width of the letters and figures shall be at leasttwo-thirds of the height, and the width of the strokeshall be at least one-sixth of the height.The letters and numbers must be uniform in shapeand size.A space equal to at least one-half of the width of aletter shall be left between each figure or letter."For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas didtheir homework and the markings are true to the regs.in use at the time.Greg Cardinal>>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint myN-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. anysuggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?Steve eProvoSteve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University________________________________________________________________________________
Steve,This doesn't answer your question regarding how toapply letters but it does have relevance to aircraftmarkings from the late '20's.Edited for brevity:Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,effective June 1, 1928:Places and dimensions of marks."...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord is morethan 30 inches, the height ofthe letters and figures need not be more but shall notbe less than 30 inches.In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lowersurface of the left wing andthe upper surface of the right wing.The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size as largeas the surface will permit,leaving a margin of at least two inches.The width of the letters and figures shall be at leasttwo-thirds of the height, and the width of the strokeshall be at least one-sixth of the height.The letters and numbers must be uniform in shapeand size.A space equal to at least one-half of the width of aletter shall be left between each figure or letter."For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas didtheir homework and the markings are true to the regs.in use at the time.Greg Cardinal>>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint myN-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. anysuggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?Steve eProvoSteve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Greg, Thanks for the regs on the numbers. This is the kind of info that makes thisgroup so valuable.Best Regards,Warren.________________________________________________________________________________
Greg, Thanks for the regs on the numbers. This is the kind of info that makes thisgroup so valuable.Best Regards,Warren.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
Remember that some people will just complain "just because they could readyour numbers".It looks that some people just love to complain "for the love of it".SaludosGary Gower>steve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> >> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint>> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24">> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that>> big to the wings?>>Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' my>Tri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!>to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...>Ktm>>________________________________________________________________________________
Remember that some people will just complain "just because they could readyour numbers".It looks that some people just love to complain "for the love of it".SaludosGary Gower>steve(at)byu.edu wrote:>> >> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint>> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24">> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that>> big to the wings?>>Hmm I've been trying to figure out to get large N numbers 'off' my>Tri-pacer. If you fly your piet below 500 feet you want to reconsider!>to me the joy of experimentals is that you get to use small N numbers...>Ktm>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
>I thought of this and intend to paint only on the top of the wing. Maybe>still not a good idea?>>Steve E.>>Well, only if you dont fly inverted in a low pass over the "complainers"house
Saludos Gary Gower________________________________________________________________________________
>I thought of this and intend to paint only on the top of the wing. Maybe>still not a good idea?>>Steve E.>>Well, only if you dont fly inverted in a low pass over the "complainers"house
Saludos Gary Gower________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: John Duprey
here's a trick some dressmakers, sign painters & billboard paintersuse...lay out your numbers on brown wrapping paper,,borrow your wivespattern transfer wheel and go over all lines giving you a perforatedoutline,,mask this perforated paper to the wing surface and dustperforations with bag of chalk line powder,,,remove paper from wing surfaceand you have remaining a dotted outline of numbers to be followed by asteady paint brush. hope this helps...JoeC>Greg,> Thanks for the regs on the numbers. This is the kind of info thatmakes this group so valuable.>Best Regards,>Warren>.>>________________________________________________________________________________
here's a trick some dressmakers, sign painters & billboard paintersuse...lay out your numbers on brown wrapping paper,,borrow your wivespattern transfer wheel and go over all lines giving you a perforatedoutline,,mask this perforated paper to the wing surface and dustperforations with bag of chalk line powder,,,remove paper from wing surfaceand you have remaining a dotted outline of numbers to be followed by asteady paint brush. hope this helps...JoeC>Greg,> Thanks for the regs on the numbers. This is the kind of info thatmakes this group so valuable.>Best Regards,>Warren>.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Greg,Do you have a copy of Aero Bulliten 7? I've been trying to find one for some timewithout success.Greg Cardinal wrote:> Steve,> This doesn't answer your question regarding how to> apply letters but it does have relevance to aircraft> markings from the late '20's.>> Edited for brevity:>> Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,> effective June 1, 1928:>> Places and dimensions of marks.>> "...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,> the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;> provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord is more than30 inches, the height of> the letters and figures need not be more but shall not> be less than 30 inches.> In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lower surface ofthe left wing and> the upper surface of the right wing.> The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size as large asthe surface will permit,> leaving a margin of at least two inches.>> The width of the letters and figures shall be at least> two-thirds of the height, and the width of the stroke> shall be at least one-sixth of the height.>> The letters and numbers must be uniform in shape> and size.>> A space equal to at least one-half of the width of a> letter shall be left between each figure or letter.">> For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas did> their homework and the markings are true to the regs.> in use at the time.>> Greg Cardinal> >>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint my> N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. any> suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to the wings?>> Steve e> Provo>> Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Greg,Do you have a copy of Aero Bulliten 7? I've been trying to find one for some timewithout success.Greg Cardinal wrote:> Steve,> This doesn't answer your question regarding how to> apply letters but it does have relevance to aircraft> markings from the late '20's.>> Edited for brevity:>> Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,> effective June 1, 1928:>> Places and dimensions of marks.>> "...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,> the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;> provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord is more than30 inches, the height of> the letters and figures need not be more but shall not> be less than 30 inches.> In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lower surface ofthe left wing and> the upper surface of the right wing.> The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size as large asthe surface will permit,> leaving a margin of at least two inches.>> The width of the letters and figures shall be at least> two-thirds of the height, and the width of the stroke> shall be at least one-sixth of the height.>> The letters and numbers must be uniform in shape> and size.>> A space equal to at least one-half of the width of a> letter shall be left between each figure or letter.">> For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas did> their homework and the markings are true to the regs.> in use at the time.>> Greg Cardinal> >>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint my> N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. any> suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to the wings?>> Steve e> Provo>> Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Dave,I don't have a copy of the entire bulletin. I found partsof it printed in the back of an old textbook. The bookis "Dyke's Aircraft Engine Instructor". This book waspublished in the 30's. Good luck finding it. If I were trying to find copies of the Air CommerceRegulations the first place I'd check would be theLibrary of Congress, next would be the Smithsonian, also, don't overlooklocal libraries, especially largeuniversity libraries. Some libraries are designatedFederal Depositories and are required to store govt.printed materials FOREVER!!! The internet is agreat place to start.Back to the query about letters, a Pietenpol shouldhave the lettering on the topside of the right wing, thebottom side of the left wing. Letters should be 30"high and 20" wide. The brush stroke should be 5" with2.5" between figures.Good luck in your search, keep us posted.Greg Cardinal>>> "David B. Schober" 03/10 10:25 AM >>>Greg,Do you have a copy of Aero Bulliten 7? I've been trying to find one forsome time without success.Greg Cardinal wrote:> Steve,> This doesn't answer your question regarding how to> apply letters but it does have relevance to aircraft> markings from the late '20's.>> Edited for brevity:>> Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,> effective June 1, 1928:>> Places and dimensions of marks.>> "...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,> the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;> provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord ismore than 30 inches, the height of> the letters and figures need not be more but shall not> be less than 30 inches.> In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lowersurface of the left wing and> the upper surface of the right wing.> The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size aslarge as the surface will permit,> leaving a margin of at least two inches.>> The width of the letters and figures shall be at least> two-thirds of the height, and the width of the stroke> shall be at least one-sixth of the height.>> The letters and numbers must be uniform in shape> and size.>> A space equal to at least one-half of the width of a> letter shall be left between each figure or letter.">> For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas did> their homework and the markings are true to the regs.> in use at the time.>> Greg Cardinal> >>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paintmy> N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. any> suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?>> Steve e> Provo>> Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University--**David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Dave,I don't have a copy of the entire bulletin. I found partsof it printed in the back of an old textbook. The bookis "Dyke's Aircraft Engine Instructor". This book waspublished in the 30's. Good luck finding it. If I were trying to find copies of the Air CommerceRegulations the first place I'd check would be theLibrary of Congress, next would be the Smithsonian, also, don't overlooklocal libraries, especially largeuniversity libraries. Some libraries are designatedFederal Depositories and are required to store govt.printed materials FOREVER!!! The internet is agreat place to start.Back to the query about letters, a Pietenpol shouldhave the lettering on the topside of the right wing, thebottom side of the left wing. Letters should be 30"high and 20" wide. The brush stroke should be 5" with2.5" between figures.Good luck in your search, keep us posted.Greg Cardinal>>> "David B. Schober" 03/10 10:25 AM >>>Greg,Do you have a copy of Aero Bulliten 7? I've been trying to find one forsome time without success.Greg Cardinal wrote:> Steve,> This doesn't answer your question regarding how to> apply letters but it does have relevance to aircraft> markings from the late '20's.>> Edited for brevity:>> Air Commerce Regulations, Aeronautics Bulletin # 7,> effective June 1, 1928:>> Places and dimensions of marks.>> "...the top of the letters to be toward the leading edge,> the height to be at least four-fifths of the mean chord;> provided, however, that in the event four-fifths of the mean chord ismore than 30 inches, the height of> the letters and figures need not be more but shall not> be less than 30 inches.> In the case of a monoplane the mark shall be displayed on the lowersurface of the left wing and> the upper surface of the right wing.> The marks shall also appear on both sides of the rudder, of size aslarge as the surface will permit,> leaving a margin of at least two inches.>> The width of the letters and figures shall be at least> two-thirds of the height, and the width of the stroke> shall be at least one-sixth of the height.>> The letters and numbers must be uniform in shape> and size.>> A space equal to at least one-half of the width of a> letter shall be left between each figure or letter.">> For reference check out Sky Gypsy. The Pavligas did> their homework and the markings are true to the regs.> in use at the time.>> Greg Cardinal> >>> 03/08 12:46 PM >>>> I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paintmy> N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24" high. any> suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that big to thewings?>> Steve e> Provo>> Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University--**David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education CenterRt. 3 Box 13Bridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting big numbers
Original Posted By: Les Lampman
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> > I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?> > Steve e> Provo> > Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University> Hi Steve, I can help you in one of two ways;1: I can provide you with custom made vinyl numbers in virtually anycolor you want or,2: I can supply you with vinyl paint masks, you simply stick them on thewing and paint away. Peel them off and perfect numbers with nobleed-under.Call me at 780-594-0418 , email at ktokarz(at)incenre.net or here at thepiet group.Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________
steve(at)byu.edu wrote:> > I have got my plane almost ready for spring, but I still want to paint> my N-number in large letters on the wing. I want to go about 24"> high. any suggestions about how to mask and transfer something that> big to the wings?> > Steve e> Provo> > Steve Eldredge> Steve(at)byu.edu> IT Services> Brigham Young University> Hi Steve, I can help you in one of two ways;1: I can provide you with custom made vinyl numbers in virtually anycolor you want or,2: I can supply you with vinyl paint masks, you simply stick them on thewing and paint away. Peel them off and perfect numbers with nobleed-under.Call me at 780-594-0418 , email at ktokarz(at)incenre.net or here at thepiet group.Wayne Tokarz________________________________________________________________________________