Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
Subject: RE: rear step hole and tail handle First about the step. I built one into my plane but then covered itover after I got the fuse on the gear. It isn't nessesary for my planewith 800x6" wheels. I built mine by reenforcing the longeron with 1/4"ply so I wouldn't damage the longeron with my shoes scuffing on it allthe time. It was located under the seat, but like I say I never used itand didn't cut out the fabric for it. With regards to the tail wheel, Ibuilt the rear mount per plans and use the down tube to the tailwheel asa place to lift. I'll be darned if Bernie didn't have it right again! Steve Eldredge Steve(at)byu.edu IT Services Brigham Young University Behalf Of walter evans Sent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:52 AM To: Pietenpol Discussion Subject: rear step hole and tail handle Wanted to ask a question about a few things that I have beenthinking about.appears to be under the rear seat, for rear entry. Is this a handy"must"? I'm using 24" wheels , so it will be high. If so, do you stepright on the longeron, with the inside boxed in?around, they have a handle just forward of the tail, to pick up andswing around. Nothing like this is on the plans, and I don't think I'veseen this in Piet pics. What do builders do? thanks alot, walt ps. want to add this as I go, and not have to backtrack.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: rear step hole and tail handle
Pietenpol-List: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Wanted to ask a question about a few things that I have been thinkingabout. First, I've seen on some Piets. a rear step hole, that appearsto be under the rear seat, for rear entry. Is this a handy "must"?I'm using 24" wheels , so it will be high. If so, do you step right onthe longeron, with the inside boxed in? Second, when a J3 cub needs to have the tail moved around,they have a handle just forward of the tail, to pick up and swingaround. Nothing like this is on the plans, and I don't think I've seenthis in Piet pics. What do builders do?thanks alot,waltps. want to add this as I go, and not have to backtrack.Wanted to ask a question about a fewthings thatI have been thinking about.________________________________________________________________________________
Wanted to ask a question about a few things that I have been thinkingabout. First, I've seen on some Piets. a rear step hole, that appearsto be under the rear seat, for rear entry. Is this a handy "must"?I'm using 24" wheels , so it will be high. If so, do you step right onthe longeron, with the inside boxed in? Second, when a J3 cub needs to have the tail moved around,they have a handle just forward of the tail, to pick up and swingaround. Nothing like this is on the plans, and I don't think I've seenthis in Piet pics. What do builders do?thanks alot,waltps. want to add this as I go, and not have to backtrack.Wanted to ask a question about a fewthings thatI have been thinking about.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
First about the step. I built one into my plane but then covered it overafter I got the fuse on the gear. It isn't nessesary for my plane with800x6" wheels. I built mine by reenforcing the longeron with 1/4" ply so Iwouldn't damage the longeron with my shoes scuffing on it all the time. Itwas located under the seat, but like I say I never used it and didn't cutout the fabric for it. With regards to the tail wheel, I built the rearmount per plans and use the down tube to the tailwheel as a place to lift.I'll be darned if Bernie didn't have it right again!Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----evansSent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:52 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: rear step hole and tail handleWanted to ask a question about a few things that I have been thinking about. First, I've seen on some Piets. a rear step hole, that appears tobe under the rear seat, for rear entry. Is this a handy "must"?I'm using 24" wheels , so it will be high. If so, do you step right on thelongeron, with the inside boxed in? Second, when a J3 cub needs to have the tail moved around, theyhave a handle just forward of the tail, to pick up and swing around.Nothing like this is on the plans, and I don't think I've seen this in Pietpics. What do builders do?thanks alot,waltps. want to add this as I go, and not have to backtrack.________________________________________________________________________________
First about the step. I built one into my plane but then covered it overafter I got the fuse on the gear. It isn't nessesary for my plane with800x6" wheels. I built mine by reenforcing the longeron with 1/4" ply so Iwouldn't damage the longeron with my shoes scuffing on it all the time. Itwas located under the seat, but like I say I never used it and didn't cutout the fabric for it. With regards to the tail wheel, I built the rearmount per plans and use the down tube to the tailwheel as a place to lift.I'll be darned if Bernie didn't have it right again!Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----evansSent: Monday, May 03, 1999 11:52 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: rear step hole and tail handleWanted to ask a question about a few things that I have been thinking about. First, I've seen on some Piets. a rear step hole, that appears tobe under the rear seat, for rear entry. Is this a handy "must"?I'm using 24" wheels , so it will be high. If so, do you step right on thelongeron, with the inside boxed in? Second, when a J3 cub needs to have the tail moved around, theyhave a handle just forward of the tail, to pick up and swing around.Nothing like this is on the plans, and I don't think I've seen this in Pietpics. What do builders do?thanks alot,waltps. want to add this as I go, and not have to backtrack.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Steve,Thanks for the response. The step seemed logical, but it's hard topicture the "climb" that you'll have ahead of you when it's finished.On my little fisher 404, the tailwheel spring sticks out past the hingeof the rudder, and still you have to reach under from the back to grabthe spring as a handle to lift the tail and pull it. I just figured thatthe tailwheel tubes were too far under.Thanks for clearing that up.walt -----Original Message-----
Steve,Thanks for the response. The step seemed logical, but it's hard topicture the "climb" that you'll have ahead of you when it's finished.On my little fisher 404, the tailwheel spring sticks out past the hingeof the rudder, and still you have to reach under from the back to grabthe spring as a handle to lift the tail and pull it. I just figured thatthe tailwheel tubes were too far under.Thanks for clearing that up.walt -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: "R. Mueller"
Walt wrote "I've seen on some Piets a rear step hole.....is this needed"I also have the large wheels and short legs so it's a real chore slinging that leg up over the top longeron, One of the pix you saw may have been my project... anyway, I tried to solve it by ordering a pre-formed fiberglass step from T.E.A.M. (Tennesee Engineering and Manufacturing) who put out the MiniMax and sell the step for that plane. I boxed it in under the rear seat and positioned on top of the bottom longeron at a cross member. The box structure is to fair it out in line with the fabric contour between the longitudinal side stringer and the bottom longeron. After all of that it does not do the job and I may remove it. Problem is that the hole goes straight in rather than at a forward angle. This makes it quite awkward to use. I once had a 1930 Buhl Bull Pup that had a retractable tube-within-a-tube that was actuated by a plain 'ol screen door spring and had a finger ring welded on the end to grab it with. Worked like a charm, but on the Piet there isn't room to keep it inside the fuselage and fit under the torque tube. Maybe someone else can suggest a way to mount one like that. Good luckDon Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Walt wrote "I've seen on some Piets a rear step hole.....is this needed"I also have the large wheels and short legs so it's a real chore slinging that leg up over the top longeron, One of the pix you saw may have been my project... anyway, I tried to solve it by ordering a pre-formed fiberglass step from T.E.A.M. (Tennesee Engineering and Manufacturing) who put out the MiniMax and sell the step for that plane. I boxed it in under the rear seat and positioned on top of the bottom longeron at a cross member. The box structure is to fair it out in line with the fabric contour between the longitudinal side stringer and the bottom longeron. After all of that it does not do the job and I may remove it. Problem is that the hole goes straight in rather than at a forward angle. This makes it quite awkward to use. I once had a 1930 Buhl Bull Pup that had a retractable tube-within-a-tube that was actuated by a plain 'ol screen door spring and had a finger ring welded on the end to grab it with. Worked like a charm, but on the Piet there isn't room to keep it inside the fuselage and fit under the torque tube. Maybe someone else can suggest a way to mount one like that. Good luckDon Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle>About 6-8 years ago Mr. Olsson (spelling?) from Arizona>had his very nice piet at Oshkosh. He had several >interesting features on his plane. (One that I am quite>interested in was his raising of the bellcrank to the>elevators to a higher position so that the elv. cables>did not rub on the stabilizers when the plane was at>rest.) He had built a very nifty retractable step to>assist in getting into and out of the cockpit. I am >sorry, but I do not remember the details. But I have >noticed in the roster that he is a menber of the BPA, so maybe you>could contact him and find out. Like all>BPA guys, he was very friendly and ready to answer any>questions I had--my problem was that I was not yet>building so wasn't yet ready to absorb all he told me.>>Note the lesson to be learned: show up at Brodhead and Oshkosh with a>notebook ready to write down the>things you learn, and don't be afraid to ask questions.>>John in Peoria >>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle>About 6-8 years ago Mr. Olsson (spelling?) from Arizona>had his very nice piet at Oshkosh. He had several >interesting features on his plane. (One that I am quite>interested in was his raising of the bellcrank to the>elevators to a higher position so that the elv. cables>did not rub on the stabilizers when the plane was at>rest.) He had built a very nifty retractable step to>assist in getting into and out of the cockpit. I am >sorry, but I do not remember the details. But I have >noticed in the roster that he is a menber of the BPA, so maybe you>could contact him and find out. Like all>BPA guys, he was very friendly and ready to answer any>questions I had--my problem was that I was not yet>building so wasn't yet ready to absorb all he told me.>>Note the lesson to be learned: show up at Brodhead and Oshkosh with a>notebook ready to write down the>things you learn, and don't be afraid to ask questions.>>John in Peoria >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: "BELLISSIMO, DOMENIC"
> once had a 1930 Buhl Bull Pup that had a retractable> tube-within-a-tube that > was actuated by a plain 'ol screen door spring and> had a finger ring welded > on the end to grab it with. Worked like a charm, but> on the Piet there isn't > room to keep it inside the fuselage and fit under> the torque tube. Maybe > someone else can suggest a way to mount one like> that. Good luck> Don HicksAbout 6-8 years ago Mr. Olsson (spelling?) from Arizonahad his very nice piet at Oshkosh. He had several interesting features on his plane. (One that I am quiteinterested in was his raising of the bellcrank to theelevators to a higher position so that the elv. cablesdid not rub on the stabilizers when the plane was atrest.) He had built a very nifty retractable step toassist in getting into and out of the cockpit. I am sorry, but I do not remember the details. But I have noticed in the roster that he is a menber of the BPA, so maybe youcould contact him and find out. Like allBPA guys, he was very friendly and ready to answer anyquestions I had--my problem was that I was not yetbuilding so wasn't yet ready to absorb all he told me.Note the lesson to be learned: show up at Brodhead and Oshkosh with anotebook ready to write down thethings you learn, and don't be afraid to ask questions.John in Peoria ________________________________________________________________________________
> once had a 1930 Buhl Bull Pup that had a retractable> tube-within-a-tube that > was actuated by a plain 'ol screen door spring and> had a finger ring welded > on the end to grab it with. Worked like a charm, but> on the Piet there isn't > room to keep it inside the fuselage and fit under> the torque tube. Maybe > someone else can suggest a way to mount one like> that. Good luck> Don HicksAbout 6-8 years ago Mr. Olsson (spelling?) from Arizonahad his very nice piet at Oshkosh. He had several interesting features on his plane. (One that I am quiteinterested in was his raising of the bellcrank to theelevators to a higher position so that the elv. cablesdid not rub on the stabilizers when the plane was atrest.) He had built a very nifty retractable step toassist in getting into and out of the cockpit. I am sorry, but I do not remember the details. But I have noticed in the roster that he is a menber of the BPA, so maybe youcould contact him and find out. Like allBPA guys, he was very friendly and ready to answer anyquestions I had--my problem was that I was not yetbuilding so wasn't yet ready to absorb all he told me.Note the lesson to be learned: show up at Brodhead and Oshkosh with anotebook ready to write down thethings you learn, and don't be afraid to ask questions.John in Peoria ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: John Fay
Don't forget the camera and plenty of film!John Mc-----Original Message-----
Don't forget the camera and plenty of film!John Mc-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: rear step hole and tail handle
Original Posted By: wayne
To Peoria John Fay.........thanx for the info on Mr Olson (sp?) of Arizona. I'll follow up and try to get his address. ill pass it along if it proves successful. Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
To Peoria John Fay.........thanx for the info on Mr Olson (sp?) of Arizona. I'll follow up and try to get his address. ill pass it along if it proves successful. Don Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________