Original Posted By: Warren Shoun
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fabric>Dear Group,>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>Again, ignorant in Texas.>>Dannymac>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: fabric
Pietenpol-List: fabric
Original Posted By: Michael King
Dear Group, How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particularaircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used onthe wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "thelighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". Iwould like a better understanding before I make this decision. Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensiveprices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol whenit can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is thatat the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put onplanes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time ifproperly cared for. Any info will help at this point. Again, ignorant in Texas.Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________
Dear Group, How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particularaircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used onthe wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "thelighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". Iwould like a better understanding before I make this decision. Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensiveprices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol whenit can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is thatat the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put onplanes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time ifproperly cared for. Any info will help at this point. Again, ignorant in Texas.Dannymac________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: dannymac
Danny; The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz andour putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. Iwill get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the otherguys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on thefuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........withinthe propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the ribstitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all thisjazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Danny; The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz andour putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. Iwill get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the otherguys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on thefuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........withinthe propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the ribstitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all thisjazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By:> dannymac
Danny, You may want to go tohttp://www.polyfiber.comas a good place to start. From here you can buy the manual and get answers toquestions that you haven't even thought of yet...{;~)Cheers,WarrenEarl Myers wrote:> Danny;> The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.> DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz and> our putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. I> will get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the other> guys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on the> fuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........within> the propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the rib> stitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all this> jazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
Danny, You may want to go tohttp://www.polyfiber.comas a good place to start. From here you can buy the manual and get answers toquestions that you haven't even thought of yet...{;~)Cheers,WarrenEarl Myers wrote:> Danny;> The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.> DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz and> our putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. I> will get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the other> guys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on the> fuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........within> the propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the rib> stitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all this> jazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By:> > dannymac
Truly Thanks Warren, This site answered many, MANY of my questions. I'm still curiousabout the fabric.......I guess compared to the gallons of differentcoats that are required, the cost of the actual fabric is nominal.Thanks again warren, and you too, Earl. My name's not Jimmy but I'lltake all you'll........you know.DannymacWarren Shoun wrote:> > Danny,> You may want to go to> http://www.polyfiber.com> as a good place to start. From here you can buy the manual and get answersto> questions that you haven't even thought of yet...{;~)> Cheers,> Warren> > Earl Myers wrote:> > > Danny;> > The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.> > DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz and> > our putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. I> > will get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the other> > guys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on the> > fuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........within> > the propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the rib> > stitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all this> > jazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).> > Earl Myers> > -----Original Message-----
Truly Thanks Warren, This site answered many, MANY of my questions. I'm still curiousabout the fabric.......I guess compared to the gallons of differentcoats that are required, the cost of the actual fabric is nominal.Thanks again warren, and you too, Earl. My name's not Jimmy but I'lltake all you'll........you know.DannymacWarren Shoun wrote:> > Danny,> You may want to go to> http://www.polyfiber.com> as a good place to start. From here you can buy the manual and get answersto> questions that you haven't even thought of yet...{;~)> Cheers,> Warren> > Earl Myers wrote:> > > Danny;> > The weight of fabric used is dependent on the speed or use of the plane.> > DC3 ailerons, crop dusters use the 3.? oz., Stearman, Wacos the 2.7 oz and> > our putt putts use the 1.7 oz. My Stits Manual has the real breakdowns. I> > will get back to you with specifics as soon as I can unless one of the other> > guys beats me to it. Some of the older planes used heavier fabric on the> > fuselage because of the "beating" it took with the propwash..........within> > the propwash area of the wing, you have to decrease the spacing of the rib> > stitching for the same reason.....again specifics later. CAM 18 has all this> > jazz in it as well (AC43.13b too).> > Earl Myers> > -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric. >>Ken >>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>> >> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point. >> >> Again, ignorant in Texas.>> >> Dannymac>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric. >>Ken >>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>> >> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point. >> >> Again, ignorant in Texas.>> >> Dannymac>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: dannymac
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Chad Johnson
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Mike Lund
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric>It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls>right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a>Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only>talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get>almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly>reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs>where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to>either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes>a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since>Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and>what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise>most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a>heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish>you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is>generally a lot heavier than the fabric.>>Ken>>On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:>>> Dear Group,>>>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on>> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the>> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I>> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.>> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive>> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when>> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that>> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on>> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if>> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.>>>> Again, ignorant in Texas.>>>> Dannymac>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
>Dear Group,>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>aircraft? Danny- I used 1.7 oz dacron on my Piet and the old dope process.LIGHT, light light !! Keep it light whatever you do and you'll be ableto take your fat uncle for that ride he always wanted !Mike C. (ps...I'm not skinny myself !)________________________________________________________________________________
>Dear Group,>> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular>aircraft? Danny- I used 1.7 oz dacron on my Piet and the old dope process.LIGHT, light light !! Keep it light whatever you do and you'll be ableto take your fat uncle for that ride he always wanted !Mike C. (ps...I'm not skinny myself !)________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: "David B. Schober"
It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it fallsright on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of aPiet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're onlytalking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you getalmoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatlyreduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legswhere 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared toeither the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takesa pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (sinceChristmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric andwhat the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprisemost of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want aheavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finishyou need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something isgenerally a lot heavier than the fabric. Ken On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:> Dear Group,> > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point. > > Again, ignorant in Texas.> > Dannymac> ________________________________________________________________________________
It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it fallsright on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of aPiet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're onlytalking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you getalmoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatlyreduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legswhere 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared toeither the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takesa pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (sinceChristmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric andwhat the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprisemost of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want aheavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finishyou need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something isgenerally a lot heavier than the fabric. Ken On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:> Dear Group,> > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point. > > Again, ignorant in Texas.> > Dannymac> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
DANNYMAC! Here is the correct answer! I used 1.7 on my Scout as the wing is nearly asbig as the AC but the plane is much lighter (till I cram in it)Earl-----Original Message-----
DANNYMAC! Here is the correct answer! I used 1.7 on my Scout as the wing is nearly asbig as the AC but the plane is much lighter (till I cram in it)Earl-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Fw: fabric
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
I too was wary about covering. As someone said earlier, it's the mostrewarding part of the building. After hearing everyone discuss "auto paint", with some advice I settled on " Stits Process"( not really Stits, now itsPoly Fiber, since being bought out by , I think, Aircraft Spruce). This isthe way I'll go for the Air Camper. It went on beautifully, and all of thelayers applied just like they were supposed to. I don;t know what autopaint sells for a gallon, but Poli Fiber was ( for the non reds) about$45.00 a gal. Two weeks ago I spent $32.00 a QUART for auto paint for aFord Tempo. Get the Poli Fiber manual for $10.00 from the mail order places. It'sgreat reading, and easy to understand. Used to be dry, like an FAAdocument, now it has processes, hints, and normal pittfalls. and alot ofpictures, great for us non experts. Explaines all of the layers, and thesimplicity of the process. And it won't crack in three years, like autopaint>Also has step by step lesson for rib stiching( this is where I learnedmined) You won't regreat buying it.walt-----Original Message-----
I too was wary about covering. As someone said earlier, it's the mostrewarding part of the building. After hearing everyone discuss "auto paint", with some advice I settled on " Stits Process"( not really Stits, now itsPoly Fiber, since being bought out by , I think, Aircraft Spruce). This isthe way I'll go for the Air Camper. It went on beautifully, and all of thelayers applied just like they were supposed to. I don;t know what autopaint sells for a gallon, but Poli Fiber was ( for the non reds) about$45.00 a gal. Two weeks ago I spent $32.00 a QUART for auto paint for aFord Tempo. Get the Poli Fiber manual for $10.00 from the mail order places. It'sgreat reading, and easy to understand. Used to be dry, like an FAAdocument, now it has processes, hints, and normal pittfalls. and alot ofpictures, great for us non experts. Explaines all of the layers, and thesimplicity of the process. And it won't crack in three years, like autopaint>Also has step by step lesson for rib stiching( this is where I learnedmined) You won't regreat buying it.walt-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fw: fabric
Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
For what it's worth, my buddy and I are just about through refinishing his 1-26(glider) with PolyFiber.It's good stuff, the book's great, it all works right and looks fantastic.LLNwalter evans wrote:> I too was wary about covering. As someone said earlier, it's the most> rewarding part of the building. After hearing everyone discuss "auto paint> ", with some advice I settled on " Stits Process"( not really Stits, now its> Poly Fiber, since being bought out by , I think, Aircraft Spruce). This is> the way I'll go for the Air Camper. It went on beautifully, and all of the> layers applied just like they were supposed to. I don;t know what auto> paint sells for a gallon, but Poli Fiber was ( for the non reds) about> $45.00 a gal. Two weeks ago I spent $32.00 a QUART for auto paint for a> Ford Tempo.> Get the Poli Fiber manual for $10.00 from the mail order places. It's> great reading, and easy to understand. Used to be dry, like an FAA> document, now it has processes, hints, and normal pittfalls. and alot of> pictures, great for us non experts. Explaines all of the layers, and the> simplicity of the process. And it won't crack in three years, like auto> paint>> Also has step by step lesson for rib stiching( this is where I learned> mined) You won't regreat buying it.> walt> -----Original Message-----
For what it's worth, my buddy and I are just about through refinishing his 1-26(glider) with PolyFiber.It's good stuff, the book's great, it all works right and looks fantastic.LLNwalter evans wrote:> I too was wary about covering. As someone said earlier, it's the most> rewarding part of the building. After hearing everyone discuss "auto paint> ", with some advice I settled on " Stits Process"( not really Stits, now its> Poly Fiber, since being bought out by , I think, Aircraft Spruce). This is> the way I'll go for the Air Camper. It went on beautifully, and all of the> layers applied just like they were supposed to. I don;t know what auto> paint sells for a gallon, but Poli Fiber was ( for the non reds) about> $45.00 a gal. Two weeks ago I spent $32.00 a QUART for auto paint for a> Ford Tempo.> Get the Poli Fiber manual for $10.00 from the mail order places. It's> great reading, and easy to understand. Used to be dry, like an FAA> document, now it has processes, hints, and normal pittfalls. and alot of> pictures, great for us non experts. Explaines all of the layers, and the> simplicity of the process. And it won't crack in three years, like auto> paint>> Also has step by step lesson for rib stiching( this is where I learned> mined) You won't regreat buying it.> walt> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
5.63 lbs sounds like a lot of weight to save on a Model A Piet.John-----Original Message-----
5.63 lbs sounds like a lot of weight to save on a Model A Piet.John-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: FW: fabric
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
I too used 2.7 Oz. fabric. Wait and see how much weight ( I mean paint) itsoaks up. I had to stop short of a perfect finish because of the weight.Just another thing I didn't think would affect my empty weight, but it did. I'm sure of it. 2.7 is designed for faster flying craft. today I think Iwould opt for 1.7Oz. fabric.Domenic ----------________________________________________________________________________________
I too used 2.7 Oz. fabric. Wait and see how much weight ( I mean paint) itsoaks up. I had to stop short of a perfect finish because of the weight.Just another thing I didn't think would affect my empty weight, but it did. I'm sure of it. 2.7 is designed for faster flying craft. today I think Iwould opt for 1.7Oz. fabric.Domenic ----------________________________________________________________________________________
> fabric
Original Posted By: Phil Phillips
> Subject: fabric>> >Dear Group,> >> > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> >aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> >the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> >lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> >would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> > Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> >prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> >it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> >at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> >planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> >properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> >> >Again, ignorant in Texas.> >> >Dannymac> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: fabric>> >Dear Group,> >> > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> >aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> >the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> >lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> >would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> > Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> >prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> >it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> >at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> >planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> >properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> >> >Again, ignorant in Texas.> >> >Dannymac> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> > fabric
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
> > Subject: fabric> >> > >Dear Group,> > >> > > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> > >aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> > >the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> > >lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> > >would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> > > Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> > >prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> > >it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> > >at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> > >planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> > >properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> > >> > >Again, ignorant in Texas.> > >> > >Dannymac> > >> > >________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: fabric> >> > >Dear Group,> > >> > > How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> > >aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> > >the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> > >lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> > >would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> > > Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> > >prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> > >it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> > >at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> > >planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> > >properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> > >> > >Again, ignorant in Texas.> > >> > >Dannymac> > >> > >________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
> Subject: Re: fabric>> >It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls> >right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a> >Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only> >talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get> >almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly> >reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs> >where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to> >either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes> >a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since> >Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and> >what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise> >most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a> >heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish> >you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is> >generally a lot heavier than the fabric.> >> >Ken> >> >On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:> >> >> Dear Group,> >>> >> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> >> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> >> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> >> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> >> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> >> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> >> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> >> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> >> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> >> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> >> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> >>> >> Again, ignorant in Texas.> >>> >> Dannymac> >>> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: fabric>> >It's generally determined by wing loading. The Piet looks like it falls> >right on the border between 1.7 and 2.7. Given that a plane the size of a> >Piet will use about 45 yards (length) x 2 yards (width), you're only> >talking about adding 90 ozs or 5.63 lbs by going to the 2.7, but you get> >almoost double the bursting strength. Also, rip propogation is greatly> >reduced. I'm using the 2.7 oz on the Chriatavia except for the LG legs> >where 3.4 oz will be used. The 3.4 oz has a very course weave compared to> >either the 1.7 or 2.7 and doesn't give as nice a finish, but it sure takes> >a pounding. There was a good article in a recent Kitplanes (since> >Christmas?) that talks a lot about the different weights of fabric and> >what the end result ends up weighing. Of cource the chemicals comprise> >most of the weight. The choice has to be made as to whether you want a> >heavy glossy show finish or a light functional one. To get a glossy finish> >you need to fill the fabric weave with something. That something is> >generally a lot heavier than the fabric.> >> >Ken> >> >On Sun, 20 Jun 1999, dannymac wrote:> >> >> Dear Group,> >>> >> How does one determine the weight of fabric to use on a particular> >> aircraft? I was under the impression that different weights were used on> >> the wing than the fuselage. I've been told "it doesn't matter", "the> >> lighter the better", "as strong as you want", and "to each his own". I> >> would like a better understanding before I make this decision.> >> Some of the old-timers say that there is no reason to pay expensive> >> prices for aircraft-grade dacron on such a plane as the Pietenpol when> >> it can be purchased at "Clothworld" or "Sears". Their argument is that> >> at the low speeds these planes go, both are superior to what was put on> >> planes "way back when"...... and either will last a long, long time if> >> properly cared for. Any info will help at this point.> >>> >> Again, ignorant in Texas.> >>> >> Dannymac> >>> >> >> >> >________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fabric
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
5.63 lbs sounds like a lot of weight to save on a Model A Piet.John -----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________
5.63 lbs sounds like a lot of weight to save on a Model A Piet.John -----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________