Original Posted By: The Endicotts
ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas ! Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained theold GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the midseventies from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must havetraded the plans to a fella like you that had an olderGN-1.............I do now remember meeting two guys with an olderGN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep an eye out for old GN-1plans whever I go..........Earl MyersPS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas!Robert, I found the box withmiscschtuff in it that contained the old GN-1 plans. In that boxwas theenvelope post marked in the mid seventies from John Grega but the plansaredated 1992! I must have traded the plans to a fella like you that had anolderGN-1.............I do now remember meeting two guys with an olderGN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep an eye out for old GN-1planswhever I go..........Earl MyersPS: For the Piet guys, in the abovebox was asingle blueprint drawn by Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened PietScoutfuselage with upgraded metal fittings...........?!? dated2-23-32IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIETOF ANY TYPEWITH A TAILSKID AND NO BRAKES???????? ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Vintage GN-1 plans
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.>>Ken>>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop verywell.>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion tostop>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.>> Gotta run for now.....>> Earl Myers>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.>>Ken>>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop verywell.>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion tostop>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.>> Gotta run for now.....>> Earl Myers>>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>Steve wrote:>I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??>>Steve>>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it>>takes>>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only>>Piets I>>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate,>>it is>>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>>Earl Myers>>-----Original Message----->>From: Greg Cardinal >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the>>old>>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid>>seventies>>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the>>plans>>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now>>remember>>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to>>keep>>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>>Earl Myers>>>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn>>by>>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with>>upgraded>>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND>>NO>>BRAKES????????>>>>>>Earl,>>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a>>tail skid>>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>>>>>>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!>url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin>email= vistin(at)juno.com>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>Steve wrote:>I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??>>Steve>>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it>>takes>>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only>>Piets I>>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate,>>it is>>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>>Earl Myers>>-----Original Message----->>From: Greg Cardinal >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the>>old>>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid>>seventies>>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the>>plans>>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now>>remember>>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to>>keep>>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>>Earl Myers>>>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn>>by>>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with>>upgraded>>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND>>NO>>BRAKES????????>>>>>>Earl,>>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a>>tail skid>>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>>>>>>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!>url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistin>email= vistin(at)juno.com>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Copinfo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keepan eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>Earl Myers>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????>>Earl,>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail skidand no brakes. Why do you ask?>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keepan eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>Earl Myers>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????>>Earl,>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tail skidand no brakes. Why do you ask?>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue tokeepan eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>Earl Myers>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????>>Earl,>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskidand no brakes. Why do you ask?>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue tokeepan eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>Earl Myers>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????>>Earl,>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskidand no brakes. Why do you ask?>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>Earl,>Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the landowners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip is notmuch more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.>Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much moreof a tendency to ground loop?>Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if I trythis?>>Thanks, Greg>>>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takes>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets I>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, itis>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>Earl Myers>-----Original Message----->From: Greg Cardinal >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>Earl Myers>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO>BRAKES????????>>>>Earl,>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskid>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>Earl,>Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the landowners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip is notmuch more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.>Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much moreof a tendency to ground loop?>Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if I trythis?>>Thanks, Greg>>>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takes>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets I>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, itis>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>Earl Myers>-----Original Message----->From: Greg Cardinal >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the old>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventies>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plans>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remember>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to keep>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>Earl Myers>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn by>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgraded>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NO>BRAKES????????>>>>Earl,>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskid>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.>>Ken>>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop verywell.>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion tostop>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.>> Gotta run for now.....>> Earl Myers>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with the>skid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount of>braking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to a>halt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks cast>up on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over the>metal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks were>reduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metal>skid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.>>Ken>>On Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:>>> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have>> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets>> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop verywell.>> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion tostop>> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.>> Gotta run for now.....>> Earl Myers>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Ed0248(at)aol.com
>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas ! Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue tokeep an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........Earl MyersPS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????Earl,I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskid and no brakes. Why do you ask?Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis________________________________________________________________________________
>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas ! Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the oldGN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid seventiesfrom John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the plansto a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now remembermeeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue tokeep an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........Earl MyersPS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn byOrrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with upgradedmetal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND NOBRAKES????????Earl,I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a tailskid and no brakes. Why do you ask?Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takessome forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets Ihave flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, it isvery easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takessome forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets Ihave flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, it isvery easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
> Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Steve wrote:I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??Steve>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it >takes>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only >Piets I>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, >it is>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>Earl Myers>-----Original Message----->From: Greg Cardinal >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the >old>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid >seventies>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the >plans>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now >remember>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to >keep>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>Earl Myers>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn >by>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with >upgraded>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND >NO>BRAKES????????>>>>Earl,>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a >tail skid>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistinemail= vistin(at)juno.com__________________________________________________________________________________________
Steve wrote:I am really interested in this skid too. Got ant drawings??Steve>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it >takes>some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only >Piets I>have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, >it is>very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!>Earl Myers>-----Original Message----->From: Greg Cardinal >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:10 AM>Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>>>>>>>>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>>>ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !>> Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that contained the >old>GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the mid >seventies>from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have traded the >plans>to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do now >remember>meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will continue to >keep>an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........>>Earl Myers>>>>PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single blueprint drawn >by>Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage with >upgraded>metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32>>>>>>IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A TAILSKID AND >NO>BRAKES????????>>>>Earl,>>I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper with a >tail skid>and no brakes. Why do you ask?>>>>Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis>>>>>Jes maken "WoodChips" heah in Missippippi!url= http://www2.misnet.com/~vistinemail= vistin(at)juno.com__________________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By:> Greg Cardinal
What can I> expect if I try this?>Sparks. Lots of them. I had the unfortunate oportunity to loose one of thetailwheel bolts on my piet last year. The tailwheel assembly went sidwaysand ground down the tube significantly in only about 50'. Nice scratches onthe runway too.Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Greg Cardinal> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:55 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>> Earl,> Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to> have the land owners permission to land off airport. And to> license a private strip is not much more difficult unless the> neighbors are unfriendly.> Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is> there much more of a tendency to ground loop?> Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I> expect if I try this?>> Thanks, Greg>> >>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>> It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way"> as it takes> some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The> only Piets I> have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the> skidplate, it is> very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
What can I> expect if I try this?>Sparks. Lots of them. I had the unfortunate oportunity to loose one of thetailwheel bolts on my piet last year. The tailwheel assembly went sidwaysand ground down the tube significantly in only about 50'. Nice scratches onthe runway too.Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Greg Cardinal> Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 1999 10:55 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>> Earl,> Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to> have the land owners permission to land off airport. And to> license a private strip is not much more difficult unless the> neighbors are unfriendly.> Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is> there much more of a tendency to ground loop?> Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I> expect if I try this?>> Thanks, Greg>> >>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>> It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way"> as it takes> some forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The> only Piets I> have flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the> skidplate, it is> very easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Earl,Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the landowners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip isnot much more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much moreof a tendency to ground loop?Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if Itry this?Thanks, Greg>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takessome forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets Ihave flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, itisvery easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Earl,Grass strips are easy to find. In Minnesota you only need to have the landowners permission to land off airport. And to license a private strip isnot much more difficult unless the neighbors are unfriendly.Does the keel make much of a difference when landing? Is there much moreof a tendency to ground loop?Also, has anyone landed on pavement with a skid? What can I expect if Itry this?Thanks, Greg>>> Earl Myers 07/06 9:08 AM >>>It sounded as tho I was the only one doing it the "Hard way" as it takessome forthought regards to landing choices and so forth. The only Piets Ihave flown in were skids/no brakes. Without the keel on the skidplate, itisvery easy to manuver and turn. With the skid keel, what a chore!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Greg; Same rules here in Ohio for landing strips pretty much.With the keel, whatever direction the plane is pointed in when you land(assuming 3 point), that is the direction you are going in untill you stop! The keel makes x wind landings easy because the tail won't budge with fullaft stick planting that keel in the grass. The drawback is when you need toturn! Even with full rudder and a big blast from the engine (prop wash), itonly achieves a 1 mile turning radius. (+/-). At the airport where we are,(I am talking about the Sky Gypsy owned by the Pavligas) there are 2 runways90 degrees apart. Taxiing is comical, slowly going down the taxiway to aturn point, CLIMBING OUT of the plane, picking up the tail and turning theplane in the direction you want to go, taxi to the run-up area then back outto pick up the tail, carry it over to the runway, swing it around on therunway get back in and go, all with the engine running and a passengeraboard! WHEW! When Frank (Pavliga) redid the plane a few years back, he changed the skidto a small ski type, curled front edge and maybe 3 x 5 inche pad area, nokeel. Now it behaves very nicely and there aren't too many directionalproblems....x-winds are more noteable but manageable with prop wash (theyotta bottle that stuff and sell it!). It doesn't stop as good as it did withthe keel as the keel was like a boat anchor! Some strip owners didn't like the skid/keel cause it tears up the sod likea big rake......the ski type skid fixed that. If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you havebeen, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it getsground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stopit as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.Gotta run for now.....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Greg; Same rules here in Ohio for landing strips pretty much.With the keel, whatever direction the plane is pointed in when you land(assuming 3 point), that is the direction you are going in untill you stop! The keel makes x wind landings easy because the tail won't budge with fullaft stick planting that keel in the grass. The drawback is when you need toturn! Even with full rudder and a big blast from the engine (prop wash), itonly achieves a 1 mile turning radius. (+/-). At the airport where we are,(I am talking about the Sky Gypsy owned by the Pavligas) there are 2 runways90 degrees apart. Taxiing is comical, slowly going down the taxiway to aturn point, CLIMBING OUT of the plane, picking up the tail and turning theplane in the direction you want to go, taxi to the run-up area then back outto pick up the tail, carry it over to the runway, swing it around on therunway get back in and go, all with the engine running and a passengeraboard! WHEW! When Frank (Pavliga) redid the plane a few years back, he changed the skidto a small ski type, curled front edge and maybe 3 x 5 inche pad area, nokeel. Now it behaves very nicely and there aren't too many directionalproblems....x-winds are more noteable but manageable with prop wash (theyotta bottle that stuff and sell it!). It doesn't stop as good as it did withthe keel as the keel was like a boat anchor! Some strip owners didn't like the skid/keel cause it tears up the sod likea big rake......the ski type skid fixed that. If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you havebeen, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it getsground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stopit as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.Gotta run for now.....Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: "Sayre, William G"
When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with theskid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount ofbraking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to ahalt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks castup on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over themetal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks werereduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metalskid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.KenOn Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stop> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.> Gotta run for now.....> Earl Myers________________________________________________________________________________
When I was with the Air Cadets, we used to have the same problem with theskid in front of the wheel on our 2-33A gliders. On landing, any amount ofbraking would put the nose skid on the runway where you would grind to ahalt. To reduce the chance of a fire caused by the shower of sparks castup on the fabric, a hard nylon strip about 3/8"- 1/2" was applied over themetal skid. Braking power was about the same but hte noise and sparks werereduced. The nylon skid was also a LOT cheaper than the factory metalskid. Maybe something similar could be added to the skid.KenOn Tue, 6 Jul 1999, Earl Myers wrote:> If you land a keel on asphalt, it carves a nice slice wherever you have> been, instant hot water with the strip owner! The ski is ok but it gets> ground somewhat and the ship is a bit squirrely and DOESN't stop very well.> Frank has had to hop out and grab the ship on more than one occasion to stop> it as some of the strips (grass) weren't that level.> Gotta run for now.....> Earl Myers________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: kyle ray
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"Steve,I just broke a tail wheel bolt last week. We were landing at a grassstrip near home and dropped it in from a couple of feet. No big deal andthe bolt that holds the wheel assembly on the leaf spring broke. Goodthing to check at each annual.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
x-mac-creator="4D4F5353"Steve,I just broke a tail wheel bolt last week. We were landing at a grassstrip near home and dropped it in from a couple of feet. No big deal andthe bolt that holds the wheel assembly on the leaf spring broke. Goodthing to check at each annual.Craig________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
I ment to add that we were going to put aluminum or teflon pads on the skidpad so that we could replace them....never got around to them yet.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
I ment to add that we were going to put aluminum or teflon pads on the skidpad so that we could replace them....never got around to them yet.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Steve W
Steve; Was this request for my ski type skid plate on my Scout? If so, I willsketch it up and send it to you. AdviseEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
Steve; Was this request for my ski type skid plate on my Scout? If so, I willsketch it up and send it to you. AdviseEarl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Its funny you should mention that......I've got a plate of 1/4" nylon on the bottom of my skid. Of course, Ihaven't flown it yet but I'm hoping it will work ok.JMG-----Original Message-----
Its funny you should mention that......I've got a plate of 1/4" nylon on the bottom of my skid. Of course, Ihaven't flown it yet but I'm hoping it will work ok.JMG-----Original Message-----
> Re: Vintage GN-1 plans
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>> >> >> >>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>> >ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> > Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that> contained the old> GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the> mid seventies> from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have> traded the plans> to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do> now remember> meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will> continue to keep> an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........> >Earl Myers> >> >PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single> blueprint drawn by> Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage> with upgraded> metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32> >> >> >IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A> TAILSKID AND NO> BRAKES????????> >> >Earl,> >I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper> with a tail skid> and no brakes. Why do you ask?> >> >Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Re: Vintage GN-1 plans>>> >> >> >>>> Earl Myers 07/04 12:10 PM >>>> >ROBERT in Uvalde, Texas !> > Robert, I found the box with misc "schtuff" in it that> contained the old> GN-1 plans. In that box was the envelope post marked in the> mid seventies> from John Grega but the plans are dated 1992! I must have> traded the plans> to a fella like you that had an older GN-1.............I do> now remember> meeting two guys with an older GN-1........anyways, I will> continue to keep> an eye out for old GN-1 plans whever I go..........> >Earl Myers> >> >PS: For the Piet guys, in the above box was a single> blueprint drawn by> Orrin Hoopman (way back) for a widened Piet Scout fuselage> with upgraded> metal fittings...........?!? dated 2-23-32> >> >> >IS ANYONE OUT THERE BUILDING A PIET OF ANY TYPE WITH A> TAILSKID AND NO> BRAKES????????> >> >Earl,> >I am building a long fuselage, Cont. 65 powered Air Camper> with a tail skid> and no brakes. Why do you ask?> >> >Greg Cardinal in Minneapolis> >> >>>________________________________________________________________________________