Pietenpol-List: OSH camping update?

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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Mike, Earl?Do we have an update for tent camping at OSH?Final stages of planning...Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
>Mike, Earl?>>Do we have an update for tent camping at OSH?>>Final stages of planning...>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>Bill Rewey can have about 6 or 8 tent campers on hisvehicle camping site near the Theater in the Woods.He is allowing Piet pilots on a first come first serve.Others will have to make there own arrangements.He gets a primo spot every year due to the fact that hetakes his camper up there right after 4th of July and goes home.Lets it sit until ready to use !!Mike C.Bill Rewey's phone 608-833-5839....though he will be gone for a few days. ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
I can see it now.I get first dibs in fomation behind Bill! NO I was first... "What in the heck? one piet out front and a *swarm* ofpiets jockying for second place....Just a little kidding.Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----D CuySent: Tuesday, June 29, 1999 2:23 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OSH camping update?>Mike, Earl?>>Do we have an update for tent camping at OSH?>>Final stages of planning...>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>Bill Rewey can have about 6 or 8 tent campers on hisvehicle camping site near the Theater in the Woods.He is allowing Piet pilots on a first come first serve.Others will have to make there own arrangements.He gets a primo spot every year due to the fact that hetakes his camper up there right after 4th of July and goes home.Lets it sit until ready to use !!Mike C.Bill Rewey's phone 608-833-5839....though he will be gone fora few days.________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Mike Bell
>> I can see it now. > > I get first dibs in fomation behind Bill! NO I was first...> ....Steve......no problem, you've got a Continental up front ))Ouch !!Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: bwm
Mike,I got the NORAD post card today.I just ordered the "regular" video yesterday from EAA. Is this one anydifferent? If it is the same, should I send in the card to get signed upand just tell them I already have ordered the video? Finally, should I sendin the card if I have a handheld? Does this have something to do withtransponders too?I see that there is camping but no showers at the field the night before.No big deal - that is the good thing about these open cockpits...Ted________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
>Mike,>>I got the NORAD post card today.>>I just ordered the "regular" video yesterday from EAA. Is this one any>different? If it is the same, should I send in the card to get signed up>and just tell them I already have ordered the video? Finally, should I send>in the card if I have a handheld? Does this have something to do with>transponders too?>Ted- Sorry for the slow response. I've been away for 4 days.Yes, mail the card no matter what. It's got to be in by the 9th or 10th asI recall. The video is the same thing-I was told we would get the video withour norad notam package, but who knows. If you get two of them all thebetter ! Our tax dollars at work. The FAA actually did a nice, nice job onthat video. I got mucho benefit watching last years.All the best, Mike C.>I see that there is camping but no showers at the field the night before.>No big deal - that is the good thing about these open cockpits...>>Ted>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Mike,I got the notam and video today. Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in our "windshields" forparking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponder flights aroundthe Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking about that last year.Thanks,TedGetting pumped in Florida________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Ted Brousseau
>Mike,>>I got the notam and video today. >>Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in our "windshields" for>parking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.>Ted- Last year's package had a yellow paper included with a big T on one sidefor 'takeoff' and a big P on the other for parking. The way they have thingsorganizedso well I never did need to show my sign, but had it with me anyway.Especially with our group being a highlight of the show, they will for suredirectall of us to the reserved parking we have. >Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponder flights around>the Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking about that lastyear.Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of the airspaceandwent well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Just watchfor new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !Mike C.>>Thanks,>>Ted>Getting pumped in Florida>Mike,I got the notam and video today. Two questions. Do we know what sign we need to put in ourwindshields forparking? I would like to make it up before leaving here.Ted- Last year's package had a yellow paper included with a big T onone sidefor 'takeoff' and a big P on the other for parking. The way theyhave things organizedso well I never did need to show my sign, but had it with me anyway.Especially with our group being a highlight of the show, they will forsure directall of us to the reserved parking we have. Is there a special procedure/permission for no transponderflights aroundthe Chicago area? I thought I remembered someone talking aboutthat last year.Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings ofthe airspace andwent well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easyreally. Just watchfor new towers that just might not be on your charts.Surprise, surprise !Mike C.Thanks,TedGetting pumped in Florida________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: John Greenlee
>Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of the airspace>and>went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Just watch>for new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !>>Mike,I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode Cpart. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a transponder.Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even though youwere below the Class B airspace?Ted________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
I think that I may have mentioned this before, but when I travel to Idaho, Ihave to enter the mode c ring at SLC. This was a concern to me until Icalled the controlling authority, (SLC tower supervisor) and she said thatif I have no electrical system, that I am exempt from the transponder ruleif I stay clear of the class B airspace. So far so good.Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Behalf Of Ted> Brousseau> Sent: Wednesday, July 07, 1999 6:15 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: OSH camping update?>>>> >Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the> rings of the airspace> >and> >went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy> really. Just watch> >for new towers that just might not be on your charts.> Surprise, surprise !> >>> Mike,>> I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about> the mode C> part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without> a transponder.> Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC> even though you> were below the Class B airspace?>> Ted>>________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Michael King
Hello, Last year I flew from Toledo to Oshkosh in a 1948 T-Craft with notransponder. Our formation of three aircraft transited Chicago's airspacealong the lake front about one mile out over the lake, 2000' msl (about1500' agl). It was a fantastic view of Chicago on a clear day. We hadcalled Chicagos ATC at the Chicago TRACON, by telephone, one day prior tothe flight, and they gave us permission to transit the airspace with hefollowing conditions: 1. One aircraft would do all the talking with ATCthe same respective altitudes. 3. At least one aircraft had to have a working transponder. 4. Contact ATC by radio before entering the mode C veil. All went very well. Departed our grass strip just outside Toledo and landedat South bend, Indiana to refuel. Departed South Bend, contacted ChicagoATC, recevied permission to proceed at an assigned altitude and a sqwakcode for the lead aircraft. We then flew directly over Gary, Indiana, eastof Chicago and proceeded along the lakefront one mile our over the lake.Chicago ATC alerted all area aircraft to be aware of "a formation of threeaircraft, westbound, at 2000' msl". We passed Chicago's lakefront MeigsAirfeild one mile to the north and watched a jet hold on the runway untilwe were about three miles west of the airfield. Then he departed west andturned north under our wing, disappearing into the distance.We had to be very careful not to move to far to the northwest, whilefollowing the lakefront and violate another airport's airspace. At apredetermined landmark we turned directly west and proceeded to Watertown,Wisconsin to refuel.Would I do it again? Maybe. It was very busy and while the view wasspectacular the traffic level was awesome. The return leg from Oshkosh was repeated in reverse order. However, whenChicago ATC in the Chicago O'Hare tower began broadcasting the alert forour formation of two aircraft (one had left two days earlier) thecontroller stated we were a "flight of two aircraft headed west". In fact,this time we were going east. Three separate times we called ATC andinformed them of our actual direction of westbound flight. Each time thecontroller acknowledged our call and then broadcast his alert to watch fora flight of two aircraft, westbound. The second time this happened we werein front of the Sear's tower, over the lake, and a westbound Cessna 172passed us, at our altitude, so close I could see the frames on the pilotssunglasses. It was a tense moment. We called ATC again (the third time) toalert the controller we were eastbound, not westbound. Just as we completedthe call, a flight of three AT-6 warbirds flew directly over us headednortheast. They were not talking to Chicago ATC. The controller madeseveral attempts to contact them on our assigned frequency to no avail. Thecontroller then told us to be aware of the warbirds (after they had passedus), and that they "are not talking to me". Then for the thrid time he toldeveryone on our frequency that we were a westbound flight of two aircraft.We were eastbound. The 172 scared us. He was too close and it was obvious he was not lookingfor a flight of two going east, while he was going west. As we approachedGary, Indiana, eastbound, the controller finally realized what was going onand apologized to our lead aircraft over the frequency stating that he was"sorry for the confusion back there guys". It was a memorable experience and the photos of Chicago are spectacularthat my passenger, also a pilot, was able to capture. But, even though thelakefront route saved several hours I will probably go south of Chicagonext time. Listening to the ATC controllers was like being at an auction. It wasnon-stop talking. There appeared to be no time to even take a breath. Itwas an incredible performance and I do not know how they were able to keepeveryone sorted out.>)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (via Mercury MTS v1.44 (NDS)) (viaMercury MTS v1.44 (NDS))>Message-ID: >>>>Ted- Don't know about this one. I just stayed under the rings of theairspace>>and>>went well out around the west side of Chicago. Pretty easy really. Justwatch>>for new towers that just might not be on your charts. Surprise, surprise !>>>>Mike,>>I know how do avoid Class B airspace, but was not sure about the mode C>part. I have never flown into a mode C ring in an ac without a transponder.>Did you get inside the mode C? If so, did you contact ATC even though you>were below the Class B airspace?>>Ted>>Randall ReihingUniversity of ToledoCollege of EngineeringMIME Department419-530-8244FAX: 419-530-8206E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu________________________________________________________________________________

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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
a couple of weeks ago I was in a flight of two from Kenosha Wi to Chanute fieldand took thelake route thru Chicago and yes the view is great and the traffic has you on theedge of yourseat...I can't imagine the city fathers wanting to close Miegs down as she actsas a trafficcop for their airspace...the lead plane in our group was picking up a passengerfrom Miegs sowe joined them to take advantage of a potty stop----word of caution for those planningthesame,,,,,that was a $20 potty stop!!!(landing fee)regardsJoeCZion, IllinoisRandall Reihing wrote:> Hello,> Last year I flew from Toledo to Oshkosh in a 1948 T-Craft with no> transponder. Our formation of three aircraft transited Chicago's airspace> along the lake front about one mile out over the lake, 2000' msl (about> 1500' agl). It was a fantastic view of Chicago on a clear day. We had> called Chicagos ATC at the Chicago TRACON, by telephone, one day prior to> the flight, and they gave us permission to transit the airspace with he> following conditions: 1. One aircraft would do all the talking with ATC> the same respective altitudes.> 3. At least one aircraft had to have a working transponder.> 4. Contact ATC by radio before entering the mode C veil.>> All went very well. Departed our grass strip just outside Toledo and landed> at South bend, Indiana to refuel. Departed South Bend, contacted Chicago> ATC, recevied permission to proceed at an assigned altitude and a sqwak> code for the lead aircraft. We then flew directly over Gary, Indiana, east> of Chicago and proceeded along the lakefront one mile our over the lake.> Chicago ATC alerted all area aircraft to be aware of "a formation of three> aircraft, westbound, at 2000' msl". We passed Chicago's lakefront Meigs> Airfeild one mile to the north and watched a jet hold on the runway until> we were about three miles west of the airfield. Then he departed west and> turned north under our wing, disappearing into the distance.> We had to be very careful not to move to far to the northwest, while> following the lakefront and violate another airport's airspace. At a> predetermined landmark we turned directly west and proceeded to Watertown,> Wisconsin to refuel.>> Would I do it again? Maybe. It was very busy and while the view was> spectacular the traffic level was awesome.>> The return leg from Oshkosh was repeated in reverse order. However, when> Chicago ATC in the Chicago O'Hare tower began broadcasting the alert for> our formation of two aircraft (one had left two days earlier) the> controller stated we were a "flight of two aircraft headed west". In fact,> this time we were going east. Three separate times we called ATC and> informed them of our actual direction of westbound flight. Each time the> controller acknowledged our call and then broadcast his alert to watch for> a flight of two aircraft, westbound. The second time this happened we were> in front of the Sear's tower, over the lake, and a westbound Cessna 172> passed us, at our altitude, so close I could see the frames on the pilots> sunglasses. It was a tense moment. We called ATC again (the third time) to> alert the controller we were eastbound, not westbound. Just as we completed> the call, a flight of three AT-6 warbirds flew directly over us headed> northeast. They were not talking to Chicago ATC. The controller made> several attempts to contact them on our assigned frequency to no avail. The> controller then told us to be aware of the warbirds (after they had passed> us), and that they "are not talking to me". Then for the thrid time he told> everyone on our frequency that we were a westbound flight of two aircraft.> We were eastbound.> The 172 scared us. He was too close and it was obvious he was not looking> for a flight of two going east, while he was going west. As we approached> Gary, Indiana, eastbound, the controller finally realized what was going on> and apologized to our lead aircraft over the frequency stating that he was> "sorry for the confusion back there guys".> It was a memorable experience and the photos of Chicago are spectacular> that my passenger, also a pilot, was able to capture. But, even though the> lakefront route saved several hours I will probably go south of Chicago> next time.> Listening to the ATC controllers was like being at an auction. It was> non-stop talking. There appeared to be no time to even take a breath. It> was an incredible performance and I do not know how they were able to keep> everyone sorted out.>>________________________________________________________________________________