Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT fita Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomingsbut not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the 15degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark duringcranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury or? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: army surplus mags
>> Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: baileys(at)ktis.net (Robert M. Bailey)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp>????>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>ocb>>>>From: David Atnip >>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was>>just>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT>>fit>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to someLycomings>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the>>15>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,injury>>or>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp>????>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>ocb>>>>From: David Atnip >>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was>>just>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT>>fit>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to someLycomings>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the>>15>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,injury>>or>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Ken Anderson
Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was justwondering if I wasn't seeing something..Jerome Bush wrote:> In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT fit> a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings> but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the 15> degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during> cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury or> ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was justwondering if I wasn't seeing something..Jerome Bush wrote:> In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT fit> a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings> but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the 15> degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during> cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury or> ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.________________________________________________________________________________
> Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: oil can
If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp ????By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??ocb>From: David Atnip >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Subject: Re: army surplus mags>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was >just>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>Jerome Bush wrote:>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT >fit> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the >15> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury >or> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>________________________________________________________________________________
If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used were for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp ????By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??ocb>From: David Atnip >Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Subject: Re: army surplus mags>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I was >just>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>Jerome Bush wrote:>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT >fit> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some Lycomings> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also the >15> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter, injury >or> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>________________________________________________________________________________
>>> Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Patrick Panzera
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.>-----Original Message----->From: oil can >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army usedwere>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp>>????>>>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>>>ocb>>>>>>>From: David Atnip >>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, Iwas>>>just>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT>>>fit>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some>Lycomings>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Alsothe>>>15>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,>injury>>>or>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.>-----Original Message----->From: oil can >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army usedwere>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180 hp>>????>>>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>>>ocb>>>>>>>From: David Atnip >>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, Iwas>>>just>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILL NOT>>>fit>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some>Lycomings>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Alsothe>>>15>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,>injury>>>or>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
>>>> Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Jerome Bush
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought a>bunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he had>some of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out real>fast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. I>forget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.>>JMG>>-----Original Message----->From: Mike Cunningham >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:58 AM>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags>>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.>>-----Original Message----->>From: oil can >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>>>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>>>>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used>were>>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180hp>>>????>>>>>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>>>>>ocb>>>>>>>>>>From: David Atnip >>>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I>was>>>>just>>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>>>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILLNOT>>>>fit>>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some>>Lycomings>>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also>the>>>>15>>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,>>injury>>>>or>>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags>The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought a>bunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he had>some of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out real>fast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. I>forget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.>>JMG>>-----Original Message----->From: Mike Cunningham >To: Pietenpol Discussion >Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 9:58 AM>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those mags>>are for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.>>-----Original Message----->>From: oil can >>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>Date: Friday, July 16, 1999 1:01 AM>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>>>>If the mags won't fit contential, and must be modifyed to fit the>>>lycoming...what were they designed to fit ?>>>>>>It is my impression that the only military magnetos that the army used>were>>>for ground power units. As I recall, these were lycoming engines of 180hp>>>????>>>>>>By my a/c spruce catalog, the 4200 series are for the VW engine??>>>>>>ocb>>>>>>>>>>From: David Atnip >>>>Reply-To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>To: Pietenpol Discussion >>>>Subject: Re: army surplus mags>>>>Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 21:04:36 -0500>>>>>>>>Thanks Jerome, The group has been talking so much about theses mags, I>was>>>>just>>>>wondering if I wasn't seeing something..>>>>>>>>Jerome Bush wrote:>>>>>>>> > In reply to David Atnip regarding the army surplus mags. They WILLNOT>>>>fit>>>> > a Continental engine in any way. They MAY be adaptable to some>>Lycomings>>>> > but not without some machining of the Lycoming accessory case. Also>the>>>>15>>>> > degree lag angle is a problem. This early firing of the spark during>>>> > cranking could easily result in severe kick back. Broken starter,>>injury>>>>or>>>> > ? Be very careful if you want to adapt these mags to a Lycoming.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: oil can
I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those magsare for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.-----Original Message-----
I think most GPU's were Lycoming O-290 (G), 125/135 horse. If those magsare for Lycomings I would love to pick up a couple.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Mike Cunningham
The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought abunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he hadsome of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out realfast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Iforget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.JMG-----Original Message-----
The man I spoke with at the Army Surplus place indicated he had bought abunch of semi loads of stuff from military base closures. He said he hadsome of the motors - brand new about 210 hp. He said they sold out realfast at $895 or $995. I'm always in the wrong place at the wrong time. Iforget whether they were Lycoming or Continental.JMG-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: John Greenlee
Me too John. If anybody hears of O-290 GPU's at that price I'll take two!-----Original Message-----
Me too John. If anybody hears of O-290 GPU's at that price I'll take two!-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Jgmatt2(at)aol.com
The army has used mags on many of their engines for the last 70 years.Knowing the army, these mags may have been ordered for a 50 year old enginewhich is no longer used so they sold them as surplus. I think however, thatthese mags are used on a 32 cu. in. Military Standard engine used by themilitary to power generators, pumps and air compressors. Colemans Surplus(www.colemans.com.) recently had a number of these for sale on e-bay (item# 125524077). This engine had a secondary ignition system using a waterproof magneto if a battery was not available for the electronic ignition.Whatever, Army Surplus in Idaho sure sold a bunch of mags. I think the bestuse of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified aircraft enginesusing Slick mags.________________________________________________________________________________
The army has used mags on many of their engines for the last 70 years.Knowing the army, these mags may have been ordered for a 50 year old enginewhich is no longer used so they sold them as surplus. I think however, thatthese mags are used on a 32 cu. in. Military Standard engine used by themilitary to power generators, pumps and air compressors. Colemans Surplus(www.colemans.com.) recently had a number of these for sale on e-bay (item# 125524077). This engine had a secondary ignition system using a waterproof magneto if a battery was not available for the electronic ignition.Whatever, Army Surplus in Idaho sure sold a bunch of mags. I think the bestuse of these mags is for spare parts for non-certified aircraft enginesusing Slick mags.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: army surplus mags
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
John:I think that many of us would be interested in more information on these engines.Joe MatthewsColumbus, GA________________________________________________________________________________
John:I think that many of us would be interested in more information on these engines.Joe MatthewsColumbus, GA________________________________________________________________________________