Original Posted By: Earl Myers
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints showsome cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAAonly allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: poop on structural and control cables?
poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... theprints show some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now isthat the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is thepoop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give mesome feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... theprints show some cables as different sizing. What I have learned now isthat the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is thepoop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give mesome feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Creech, Bill"
to all in the group,=A0I have a question about cables..... theprints show some cables as different sizing.What I have learned nowis that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What isthe poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use???Thanks if you cangive me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
to all in the group,=A0I have a question about cables..... theprints show some cables as different sizing.What I have learned nowis that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What isthe poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use???Thanks if you cangive me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: John Greenlee
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints showsome cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAAonly allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints showsome cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAAonly allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: dannymac
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints showsome cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAAonly allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints showsome cables as different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAAonly allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: walter evans
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables? Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug ----------
Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables? Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug ----------
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Original Posted By: walter evans < wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net <
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: walter evans < wbeevans(at)worldnet.att.net <
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Doug
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables asdifferent sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? Whatdid you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.Waltto all in the group, I have a question aboutcables.....the prints show some cables as different sizing. What I havelearned nowis that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What isthe poopon cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give mesomefeedback.Walt________________________________________________________________________________
to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables asdifferent sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows1/8 cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? Whatdid you guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.Waltto all in the group, I have a question aboutcables.....the prints show some cables as different sizing. What I havelearned nowis that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all control cables. What isthe poopon cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanks if you can give mesomefeedback.Walt________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: walter evans
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
Walter,i used 7/19 galv.on controls,and 1/19 galv.on bracing wires. Doug________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Doug
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19 stainlesson the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the struts. Ihave my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used 1/8" forthat, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the aileron cableruns along the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden blocks alongthe way (per the plans).Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
I used 1/16" stainless 1x19 on the tail fittings, 3/32" 7x19 stainlesson the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 on the struts. Ihave my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If I used 1/8" forthat, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean the aileron cableruns along the outside top of the wing suspended by wooden blocks alongthe way (per the plans).Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Patrick Panzera
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Tim, Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what youdid to "pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turningtendency. What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and Ijust used the flying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly toachieve correct rigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip.... Steve Eldredge Steve(at)byu.edu IT Services Brigham Young University -----Original Message-----Behalf Of Copinfo Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PM To: Pietenpol Discussion Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables? I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The oldtimers at my field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, ifit's not right at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wingwhen I first flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep itlevel. I pulled the right wing back a little and left the left wingwhere I set it. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to doit but it flys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rearstrut. I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.surface deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So,knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudderand elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.cables?7x19 stainless on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 onthe struts. I have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If Iused 1/8" for that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean theaileron cable runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by woodenblocks along the way (per the plans).bracing wires.cables..... the prints show some cables as different sizing. What Ihave learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all controlcables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanksif you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Tim, Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what youdid to "pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turningtendency. What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and Ijust used the flying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly toachieve correct rigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip.... Steve Eldredge Steve(at)byu.edu IT Services Brigham Young University -----Original Message-----Behalf Of Copinfo Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PM To: Pietenpol Discussion Subject: Re: poop on structural and control cables? I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The oldtimers at my field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, ifit's not right at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wingwhen I first flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep itlevel. I pulled the right wing back a little and left the left wingwhere I set it. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to doit but it flys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rearstrut. I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.surface deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So,knowing you all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudderand elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.cables?7x19 stainless on the control system and will use 1/8" 1 or 7 x 19 onthe struts. I have my aileron cables totally outside the airplane. If Iused 1/8" for that, I wouldn't get off the ground. By outside I mean theaileron cable runs along the outside top of the wing suspended by woodenblocks along the way (per the plans).bracing wires.cables..... the prints show some cables as different sizing. What Ihave learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8 cable for all controlcables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you guys use??? Thanksif you can give me some feedback. Walt________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Creech, Bill
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Tim,Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used theflying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correctrigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at myfield said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not rightat least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flewand had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled theright wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It reallyhelped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. OnJ-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do somemore research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Tim,Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used theflying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correctrigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at myfield said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not rightat least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flewand had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled theright wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It reallyhelped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. OnJ-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do somemore research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Earl, I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful. Thanks for your response. Bill -----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Earl, I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful. Thanks for your response. Bill -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertisein Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surfacedeflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, thenumber of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertisein Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surfacedeflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, thenumber of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertisein Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surfacedeflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, thenumber of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surface deflections.But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you all have expertisein Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should the control surfacedeflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, thenumber of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill________________________________________________________________________________
RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Ken, I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful. Thanks for your response. Bill
Subject: RE: poop on structural and control cables? Ken, I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator? If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful. Thanks for your response. Bill
Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:> Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>Bill,>I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information. Somepeople put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder to preventit from contacting the elevators.>Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.>Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travellimits.>>Greg Cardinal>>>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>>Greg,>>I received several responses to my question on control surface>deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you>all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should>the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?>If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.>>Thanks for your response.>>Bill>>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>Bill,>I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information. Somepeople put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder to preventit from contacting the elevators.>Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.>Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travellimits.>>Greg Cardinal>>>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>>Greg,>>I received several responses to my question on control surface>deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you>all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should>the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?>If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.>>Thanks for your response.>>Bill>>> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
>> to all in the group,> I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8> cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you> guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> WaltWalt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder cables and the FAA guydidn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too whereyou don't need it anywho....but the 1/8" do look more comforting
)Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
>> to all in the group,> I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8> cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you> guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> WaltWalt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder cables and the FAA guydidn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too whereyou don't need it anywho....but the 1/8" do look more comforting
)Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________>> Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:>> Greg Cardinal
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'ed>seatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacturein>a previous job... All worked out in the end however.>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Earl Myers>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>>>>> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that>> issue & others>> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over>> anything less>> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it>> is your answer>> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you>> are.....if you>> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,>> they will keep>> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT>> KNOW what to>> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN>> FROM US as they>> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on>> having all>> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure>> tested assembled>> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick>> to the plans,>> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.>> Earl Myers>> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'ed>seatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacturein>a previous job... All worked out in the end however.>>Steve Eldredge>IT Services>Brigham Young University>>>> -----Original Message----->> Earl Myers>> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM>> To: Pietenpol Discussion>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>>>>> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that>> issue & others>> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over>> anything less>> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it>> is your answer>> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you>> are.....if you>> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,>> they will keep>> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT>> KNOW what to>> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN>> FROM US as they>> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on>> having all>> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure>> tested assembled>> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick>> to the plans,>> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.>> Earl Myers>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: dannymac
I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut andcabane bracing.Mine is not in the air yet.Greg Cardinal>>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables asdifferent sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did youguys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.Walt________________________________________________________________________________
I'm using 3/32 on tail structure and controls. 1/8 on lift strut andcabane bracing.Mine is not in the air yet.Greg Cardinal>>> walter evans 07/18 4:19 PM >>>to all in the group, I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables asdifferent sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did youguys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.Walt________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: "Creech, Bill"
For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that CanadianTire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as"Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see theMS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but ischeaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the aileronsand realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that thathappened to me last weekend
.KenOn Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >> > to all in the group,> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8> > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you> > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> > Walt> > > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder > cables and the FAA guy> didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too where> you don't need it anywho....> but the 1/8" do look more comforting )> > Mike C. > ________________________________________________________________________________
For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that CanadianTire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as"Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see theMS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but ischeaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the aileronsand realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that thathappened to me last weekend
.KenOn Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> >> > to all in the group,> > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA only allows 1/8> > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? What did you> > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> > Walt> > > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator and rudder > cables and the FAA guy> didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there too where> you don't need it anywho....> but the 1/8" do look more comforting )> > Mike C. > ________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers [SMTP:allaire(at)raex.com]
Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder andelevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Earl,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder andelevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy [SMTP:Michael.D.Cuy(at)lerc.nasa.gov]
Michael,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder andelevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Michael,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder andelevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Greg,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Greg,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
Ken,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Ken,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Creech, Bill
Guys; I used 25 degrees up elevator, 20 down. Rudder, I put stop blocks onthe firewall (single seat Scout) so the rudder doesn't hit the elevator,degree of travel unknown. The ailerons the same meaning the aileronwon't or can't go passed a certain point down cause the spars willcontact each other, that is the stop for that control, either way. Nodegree of travel determined............Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
Guys; I used 25 degrees up elevator, 20 down. Rudder, I put stop blocks onthe firewall (single seat Scout) so the rudder doesn't hit the elevator,degree of travel unknown. The ailerons the same meaning the aileronwon't or can't go passed a certain point down cause the spars willcontact each other, that is the stop for that control, either way. Nodegree of travel determined............Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that issue & otherswon't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over anything lessthan 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it is your answerto their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you are.....if youget goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that, they will keeppicking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT KNOW what tolook for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN FROM US as theygo as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on having allexposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure tested assembledhoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick to the plans,that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that issue & otherswon't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over anything lessthan 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it is your answerto their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you are.....if youget goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that, they will keeppicking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT KNOW what tolook for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN FROM US as theygo as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on having allexposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure tested assembledhoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick to the plans,that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
> Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:> Greg Cardinal
Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'edseatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacture ina previous job... All worked out in the end however.Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Earl Myers> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that> issue & others> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over> anything less> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it> is your answer> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you> are.....if you> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,> they will keep> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT> KNOW what to> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN> FROM US as they> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on> having all> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure> tested assembled> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick> to the plans,> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
Agreed. My instpector made all kinds of noise about my non TSO'edseatbelts. Later found out that he was a certified seat belt manufacture ina previous job... All worked out in the end however.Steve EldredgeIT ServicesBrigham Young University> -----Original Message-----> Earl Myers> Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 10:36 AM> To: Pietenpol Discussion> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>> Ref control stops, some FAA Inspectors will zero in on that> issue & others> won't! Same with the cable issue. Some will have a fit over> anything less> than 1/8" cable anywhere and some won't. Most of the time it> is your answer> to their questions and how affirmative and knowledgeable you> are.....if you> get goosy on the answers or why you did it this way or that,> they will keep> picking. I CAN TELL YOU FIRST HAND that many of them DO NOT> KNOW what to> look for. They work from a checklist and most of them LEARN> FROM US as they> go as to what to look for. I know of one guy that insists on> having all> exposed fuel lines made from Aeroquip FAA/PMA/STC pressure> tested assembled> hoses.........! Copper fuel lines on a Piet, HAH! So, stick> to the plans,> that is your "out" or, ask others and document why 25/20 for example.> Earl Myers> -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
Bill,I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information.Some people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder toprevent it from contacting the elevators.Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travellimits.Greg Cardinal>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>Greg,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Bill,I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that information.Some people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the rudder toprevent it from contacting the elevators.Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travellimits.Greg Cardinal>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>Greg,I received several responses to my question on control surfacedeflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing youall have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What shouldthe control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.Thanks for your response.Bill
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: David Swagler
Earl,Thanks for the advice. I'll let Gil know--in fact, I have printed yourresponse and will forward it to him. He is uncertain of his computerskills. If you ever feel a need to contact him, his name is GilGildersleeve, 911 Ellston St., Colorado Springs, CO 80907, (719)599-3307. He should have his Aircamper flying this summer, butunfortunately not in time for Oshkosh. He says that every week he ishalf way to completion, but we all know as long you only get half way,you'll never get there--but he will. He is an excellent builder, thisis his second project, the first being a motor glider, which he stillhas.Again, ThanksBill________________________________________________________________________________
Earl,Thanks for the advice. I'll let Gil know--in fact, I have printed yourresponse and will forward it to him. He is uncertain of his computerskills. If you ever feel a need to contact him, his name is GilGildersleeve, 911 Ellston St., Colorado Springs, CO 80907, (719)599-3307. He should have his Aircamper flying this summer, butunfortunately not in time for Oshkosh. He says that every week he ishalf way to completion, but we all know as long you only get half way,you'll never get there--but he will. He is an excellent builder, thisis his second project, the first being a motor glider, which he stillhas.Again, ThanksBill________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands [SMTP:kbeanlan(at)spots.ab.ca]
Bill,The Piet list in a "Discussion List". As such, you may not always get animmediate response and the responses that are sent TO THE LIST may just begood, general info on the same topic. Replying to EVERY post and toeveryone on the list with the following post is not good netiquette. Asingle post a day or so later re-asking the question is fine, but not toevery post that furthers the thread. Even if you just replied to theposter alone, it would be better. Some people out there have to pay per download and/or for connected time.Having to haul down 10 posts with the same message is very annoying. Thanks,Ken.On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Creech, Bill wrote:> Ken,> > I received several responses to my question on control surface> deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you> all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should> the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?> If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.> > Thanks for your response.> > Bill> >
Bill,The Piet list in a "Discussion List". As such, you may not always get animmediate response and the responses that are sent TO THE LIST may just begood, general info on the same topic. Replying to EVERY post and toeveryone on the list with the following post is not good netiquette. Asingle post a day or so later re-asking the question is fine, but not toevery post that furthers the thread. Even if you just replied to theposter alone, it would be better. Some people out there have to pay per download and/or for connected time.Having to haul down 10 posts with the same message is very annoying. Thanks,Ken.On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Creech, Bill wrote:> Ken,> > I received several responses to my question on control surface> deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you> all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again. What should> the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder and elevator?> If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.> > Thanks for your response.> > Bill> >
Pietenpol-List: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was talking about! I know from firsthand experience that you can become a MIDO inspector and NEVER have ANYexperience with experimental airplanes, been an aviator of any type or everstepped foot on an airport. Main requirement is to have had some experienceinspecting "CLASS 3" manufactured items at an FAA approved repair or mfgshop plus a couple of "other" requirements that I choose not tomention............long story made short, YOU are the builder orManufacturer and if you are using a set of experimental plans and the FAAperson makes you change to something not on the plans............HE (or she)just became a Manufacturing Engineer! There are times when I have seen them(the experienced ones) catch boo boos like using screen door turnbucklesinstead of A.N. and some other things.........just stick to your guns, er,cable size!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
This is EXACTLY the kind of thing I was talking about! I know from firsthand experience that you can become a MIDO inspector and NEVER have ANYexperience with experimental airplanes, been an aviator of any type or everstepped foot on an airport. Main requirement is to have had some experienceinspecting "CLASS 3" manufactured items at an FAA approved repair or mfgshop plus a couple of "other" requirements that I choose not tomention............long story made short, YOU are the builder orManufacturer and if you are using a set of experimental plans and the FAAperson makes you change to something not on the plans............HE (or she)just became a Manufacturing Engineer! There are times when I have seen them(the experienced ones) catch boo boos like using screen door turnbucklesinstead of A.N. and some other things.........just stick to your guns, er,cable size!Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Walt...I'm set up same as Greg...3/32 on tail feathers and controls..1/8 on struts and cabanes..I don't anticipate any problems with the FAA inspectorDon Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Walt...I'm set up same as Greg...3/32 on tail feathers and controls..1/8 on struts and cabanes..I don't anticipate any problems with the FAA inspectorDon Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Creech, Bill
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers atmy field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's notright at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when Ifirst flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. Ipulled the right wing back a little and left the left wing where I setit. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but itflys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers atmy field said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's notright at least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when Ifirst flew and had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. Ipulled the right wing back a little and left the left wing where I setit. It really helped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but itflys good now. On J-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do some more research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Creech, Bill
Tim,Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used theflying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correctrigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at myfield said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not rightat least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flewand had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled theright wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It reallyhelped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. OnJ-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do somemore research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
Tim,Congratulations on your first flights! I am curious as to what you did to"pull" the right wing back a little to correct your left turning tendency.What does that mean? I have had a simillar problem and I just used theflying wires to tension the wing (twist) slightly to achieve correctrigging. Look forward to seeing you on our trip....Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Monday, July 19, 1999 2:49 PMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?I set my ailerons with 2 degrees down on both sides. The old timers at myfield said that looked right to them. It flew well, so, if it's not rightat least it is safe for me. I did have a heavy left wing when I first flewand had to use a bunch of right aileron to keep it level. I pulled theright wing back a little and left the left wing where I set it. It reallyhelped. I don't know if that's the way to do it but it flys good now. OnJ-3 Cubs they adjust the wing with the rear strut. I'm going to do somemore research and see why. Good luck.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:> Ken Beanlands
Just a note on cable,"aircraft cable", it will have a tiny fabric typethread of one color or another woven in,read this in an Experimenter mag afew years ago.Sure enough,the cable i bought,from AS&S had a yellow threadin it. More useless trivia to clog our heads.Doug.....
Just a note on cable,"aircraft cable", it will have a tiny fabric typethread of one color or another woven in,read this in an Experimenter mag afew years ago.Sure enough,the cable i bought,from AS&S had a yellow threadin it. More useless trivia to clog our heads.Doug.....
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: CALLAIR(at)cybersol.com (Carpenter, Joel)
Ken Beanlands wrote:> > For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but is> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that that> happened to me last weekend.> > KenNudge, Grin.________________________________________________________________________________
Ken Beanlands wrote:> > For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S but is> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not that that> happened to me last weekend
.> > KenNudge, Grin.________________________________________________________________________________Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushedthe right cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustableon mine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it. Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know whenso I can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the tripthis year. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set. Sunday, after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had todeadstick into a little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but itappears one mag is dead and the other quit for some reason. I'll haveit flying agian in a couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. Ifyou can't stop I'll see you at Broadhead.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510-----Original Message-----
The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushedthe right cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustableon mine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it. Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know whenso I can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the tripthis year. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set. Sunday, after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had todeadstick into a little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but itappears one mag is dead and the other quit for some reason. I'll haveit flying agian in a couple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. Ifyou can't stop I'll see you at Broadhead.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: steve(at)byu.edu
Tim, sorry to hear about your mag problem... Bummer. Duane and I areplanning a stop at your place. Probably our last stop on Saturday, (Gotcamping?) or our first on Monday. Look forward to seeing you soon!Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:53 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushed theright cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustable onmine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it.Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know when soI can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the trip thisyear. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set. Sunday,after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had to deadstick intoa little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but it appears one mag isdead and the other quit for some reason. I'll have it flying agian in acouple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. If you can't stop I'll seeyou at Broadhead.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510-----Original Message-----
Tim, sorry to hear about your mag problem... Bummer. Duane and I areplanning a stop at your place. Probably our last stop on Saturday, (Gotcamping?) or our first on Monday. Look forward to seeing you soon!Steve EldredgeSteve(at)byu.eduIT ServicesBrigham Young University-----Original Message-----Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 1999 10:53 AMSubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: poop on structural and control cables?The way I moved one wing back was to loosen the flying wires and pushed theright cabanes back. The piece in front of the cabanes is adjustable onmine. Then I retensioned the wires and flew it.Are you stopping in Des Moines on your way to Oshkosh? Let me know when soI can make sure I'm there to get you gas. I won't be making the trip thisyear. It looks like I need to rebuild my mags or get another set. Sunday,after about three hours of flying my engine quit and I had to deadstick intoa little parking lot. Nothing hurt on the plane but it appears one mag isdead and the other quit for some reason. I'll have it flying agian in acouple of weeks. I look forward to seeing you. If you can't stop I'll seeyou at Broadhead.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510-----Original Message-----
> Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:> > Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>> >Bill,> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that> information. Some> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the> rudder to prevent> it from contacting the elevators.> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel> limits.> >> >Greg Cardinal> >> >>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>> >Greg,> >> >I received several responses to my question on control surface> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.> What should> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder> and elevator?> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.> >> >Thanks for your response.> >> >Bill> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>> >Bill,> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that> information. Some> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the> rudder to prevent> it from contacting the elevators.> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel> limits.> >> >Greg Cardinal> >> >>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>> >Greg,> >> >I received several responses to my question on control surface> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.> What should> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder> and elevator?> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.> >> >Thanks for your response.> >> >Bill> >> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By:>> > Greg Cardinal [SMTP:gcardinal(at)startribune.com]
>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>>>>> >Bill,>> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that>> information. Some>> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the>> rudder to prevent>> it from contacting the elevators.>> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.>> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel>> limits.>> >>> >Greg Cardinal>> >>> >>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>>> >Greg,>> >>> >I received several responses to my question on control surface>> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you>> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.>> What should>> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder>> and elevator?>> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.>> >>> >Thanks for your response.>> >>> >Bill>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
>> Subject: Re: RE: poop on structural and control cables?>>>>>> >Bill,>> >I can't give an answer in degrees. Plans do not give that>> information. Some>> people put in control stops. This is a good idea for the>> rudder to prevent>> it from contacting the elevators.>> >Your knees will act as natural aileron stops.>> >Elevator stops are a good idea but I can't give any advice on travel>> limits.>> >>> >Greg Cardinal>> >>> >>>> "Creech, Bill" 07/19 9:18 AM >>>>> >Greg,>> >>> >I received several responses to my question on control surface>> >deflections. But, none answered the question I had. So, knowing you>> >all have expertise in Piets, Let me ask my question again.>> What should>> >the control surface deflection be for the ailerons, rudder>> and elevator?>> >If possible, the number of degrees would be most helpful.>> >>> >Thanks for your response.>> >>> >Bill>> >>> >>> > -----Original Message-----
> Re: poop on structural and control cables?
Original Posted By: Michael Brusilow
> > For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S butis> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not thatthat> happened to me last weekend.> > Ken> > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> > > >> > > to all in the group,> > > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> > > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA onlyallows 1/8> > > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? Whatdid you> > > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> > > Walt> > > > > > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator andrudder > > cables and the FAA guy> > didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there toowhere> > you don't need it anywho....> > but the 1/8" do look more comforting )> > > > Mike C. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
> > For those Canadians on the list, you'll be happy to know that Canadian> Tire carries the 7x19 1/8" control cable. It's actually labeled as> "Aircraft Cable" and if you check the side of the spool, you will see the> MS/AN number. It is exactly the same as what you will buy from AS&S butis> cheaper and can be had on a Saturday afternoon while rigging the ailerons> and realizing that the cable you just cut is to $%&#* short. Not thatthat> happened to me last weekend
.> > Ken> > On Mon, 19 Jul 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> > > >> > > to all in the group,> > > I have a question about cables..... the prints show some cables as> > > different sizing. What I have learned now is that the FAA onlyallows 1/8> > > cable for all control cables. What is the poop on cabling ??? Whatdid you> > > guys use??? Thanks if you can give me some feedback.> > > Walt> > > > > > Walt- Opps, I followed the 3/32" diam. plans for the elevator andrudder > > cables and the FAA guy> > didn't give me any trouble about that. It saves weight back there toowhere> > you don't need it anywho....> > but the 1/8" do look more comforting )> > > > Mike C. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________