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Original Posted By: ArkiesAir(at)aol.com
Gentlemen,I recently purchased a prop from Beres & Hirsch (sp). I think it is a 72 x44 although it is not in front of me. My question has more to do with theconstruction of the prop. It is made of only threelaminations--Maple--Black Walnut--Maple. It is supposed to be a "Scimitar"type prop which I think means that it flexes (pitch changes) when power isadded.Most of the props that I see have several more laminations. Have I createdmore grief for myself?I have attached their web site and email address if anyone is curious. Theyseem like knowledgeable guys and say that their props are flying on otherPiets. Their prices are quite reasonable.http://infoseek.go.com/?win=_search&sv= ... empnet.com Distribution Design Specialist * Lucent Technologies, Inc.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Wkoucky(at)aol.com
Dear Russell, Not to cause you concern but the only prop I have seen that used threepieces of wood (two laminations) delaminated at one, inch long location.However, the owner had stored it inside his home for the winter. Too muchheat and lack of humidity may have really been the problem. You can e-mailLonnie Prince and he may be able to help you. Lonnieowns Prince Aircraft Inc. and they advertise their props each month inSport Aviation. His work has appeared on numerous EAA Grand Champions.Lonnie is the most knowledgeabe wood prop man I have ever talked with. Goodluck. Regards, Randall Reihing>Gentlemen,>>I recently purchased a prop from Beres & Hirsch (sp). I think it is a 72 x>44 although it is not in front of me. My question has more to do with the>construction of the prop. It is made of only three>laminations--Maple--Black Walnut--Maple. It is supposed to be a "Scimitar">type prop which I think means that it flexes (pitch changes) when power is>added.>>Most of the props that I see have several more laminations. Have I created>more grief for myself?>>I have attached their web site and email address if anyone is curious. They>seem like knowledgeable guys and say that their props are flying on other>Piets. Their prices are quite reasonable.>>http://infoseek.go.com/?win=_search&sv= ... empnet.com> > Distribution Design Specialist> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.>>Randall ReihingUniversity of ToledoCollege of EngineeringMIME Department419-530-8244FAX: 419-530-8206E-Mail: rreihing(at)eng.utoledo.edu________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Leo Powning
Russell,Three laminations is fine. More than three laminations has more to do with marketingthan wood technology. The vendors have found the market thinks that themore laminations the better the prop. I have two props, one with 20 laminations,the other with 3. Absolutely no difference in performance or tracking aftera couple of hundred hours on each. Regards,Leo--On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:10:54 Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) wrote:>Gentlemen,>>I recently purchased a prop from Beres & Hirsch (sp). I think it is a 72 x>44 although it is not in front of me. My question has more to do with the>construction of the prop. It is made of only three>laminations--Maple--Black Walnut--Maple. It is supposed to be a "Scimitar">type prop which I think means that it flexes (pitch changes) when power is>added.>>Most of the props that I see have several more laminations. Have I created>more grief for myself?>>I have attached their web site and email address if anyone is curious. They>seem like knowledgeable guys and say that their props are flying on other>Piets. Their prices are quite reasonable.>>http://infoseek.go.com/?win=_search&sv= ... empnet.com> > Distribution Design Specialist> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.>>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--Share what you know. Learn what you don't.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: GREA738(at)aol.com
Russell,Three laminations is fine. More than three laminations has more to do with marketingthan wood technology. The vendors have found the market thinks that themore laminations the better the prop. I have two props, one with 20 laminations,the other with 3. Absolutely no difference in performance or tracking aftera couple of hundred hours on each. Regards,Leo--On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 12:10:54 Lassetter, Russell B (Russell) wrote:>Gentlemen,>>I recently purchased a prop from Beres & Hirsch (sp). I think it is a 72 x>44 although it is not in front of me. My question has more to do with the>construction of the prop. It is made of only three>laminations--Maple--Black Walnut--Maple. It is supposed to be a "Scimitar">type prop which I think means that it flexes (pitch changes) when power is>added.>>Most of the props that I see have several more laminations. Have I created>more grief for myself?>>I have attached their web site and email address if anyone is curious. They>seem like knowledgeable guys and say that their props are flying on other>Piets. Their prices are quite reasonable.>>http://infoseek.go.com/?win=_search&sv= ... empnet.com> > Distribution Design Specialist> * Lucent Technologies, Inc.>>--== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==--Share what you know. Learn what you don't.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "d.sevold"
Russell, I haven't seen any comment on your point that you felt that a scimitar prop refers to one that flexes or changes pitch. I have always understood that a scimitar prop (or scimitar anything...usually a sword) describes the shape of the prop rather than any other characteristicDon Hicks ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
Don Hicks and Randall Reihing,Thanks for the info. on the propeller I thought that perhaps the fewerlaminations (3 layers = 2 laminations) made for a less rigid structure whichallowed for some flexing. I think that I read in a propeller article inExperimenter that some of the early propellers (such as seen on a SopwithCamel etc.) were designed to flex and effectively change pitch (to a smalldegree). I thought they used the term "scimitar" when refering to theseprops. Mine looks like these older props. The blades are more round outnear the end. Kind of spoon-shaped. I am not familiar with a scimitar sword. Is it also somewhatspoon-shaped towards the point? Thanks again,________________________________________________________________________________
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Russ , A scimitar sword is one that is curved with the edge on the convex side.don hicks________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:>> Ken Beanlands
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Importing/exporting of homebuilts>>I knew that importing planes from the US was not possible, but I did not>realize that there was no pre-cover inspection in the US. That is good>news (for me, anyway). If I ever decide to sell the Christavia, I'll have>a much larger "customer base" to work with.>>Most fabric planes, such as my Cristavia, require only 2 inspections, a>pre-cover and a pre-flight. Metal planes will get into multiple pre-cover>inspections as they close in various sections of the plane.>>Ken>>On Wed, 2 Feb 2000, Mike Lund wrote:>>>>> Canadian homebuilts go the US all the time, all it'll take is a "new"final>> inspection, if that.>>>> Its comming the other way its impossible. We have a minimum of 2, and>> usually 3 inspections up here. (pre-close on any closed structures,>> pre-cover and final.)--and the $2000 cost that goes with the>> inspections/registration>>>> Unless its a "basic ultralight" then there are NO inspections required,and>> only about $150 to register it.>>>> Guess what catogory mine is >>>> Mike>> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Actually ken,You buy "aircraft parts" in the US, bring them over as such, then register abasic ultralight after a suitable wait.Now, did you biuld one in Canada using some parts you brought over....or didyou just re-assemble a US aircraft ??????was 51% of the work done in Canada????Innocent 'till proven guilty Mike-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: "Mike Lund"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PropsIn a message dated 2/2/00 4:14:11 PM Central Standard Time, iholland@microage-tb.com writes:> The only book I've seen on prop carving, is the one that I mentioned in my post. I got it, and the plans by Orrin, from Doug Bryant. I think both are available thru the EAA. I had my blank laminated by Gus Wiebe, in Halstead KS. He cut out the rough shape on his band saw, and drilled the 1" center hole, and four mount holes. I'm doing the rest of the carving with the ol' wood chistle, belt sander, rasp, disk grinder, and finish it by hand. I cut the blade angles on the flat side, at each 6" station with a hand saw, then blend the twist between the stations. The flat side is actually referred to as the 'face', although it faces aft , its the side that 'faces the pilot' (that's what they told us in A&P school). I bought some uni-directional Kevlar from Aircraft Spruce, and will use it on the leading edge of the prop. Kevlar is highly abrasive resistant, and much easier to apply than the brass tipping. I'm still looking for info on that scimitar design, so far I've searched the web, and the EAA sight, and e-mailed EAA for info on it, but no luck. Ian, I could probably scan the pages of this book, about the scimitar, and send it to ya direct e-mail, if ya would like to see it. Was the prop on the Fox Moth a wood prop? What engine did it have? Do ya think the wierd sound was from the prop?Chuck________________________________________________________________________________
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Chuck, thanks for the info. If you wouldn't mind scanning, Iwould appreciate it. I will also forward anything that I turn upyour way.E-mail is iholland@microage-tb.comThe prop was very quiet as I remember it. The motor soundedrough, constantly missing and back firing. Very distinctive. Ibelieve the plane ended up in the museum in Rockport? in Ottawa.It was used by Max Ward at one time. Jack Edwards flew it out ofKenora in the early 50's. There was a big to do about painting itup and flying it to Ottawa. Some wher I have a picture of itcoming out of the Lake of the Woods. Three consecutive loops andone tall tree caused quite a splash.----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PropsThanks to all that responded to my questions reguarding props..I'm considering a 74X38. I was told by a prop maker/Pietenpol builder/flyer that the 74/38 in front of a Cont. A65 would be my best choice. It would give me much better climb but not do much to increase speed. I'm a low and slow flyer, so I'm not concerned about increasing my speed, but really wish to increase my rate of climb. Anyone using the 74X38 with a Cont. A65? Any input anyone?GeneN502RTennessee________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "MikeD"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wood glueRick, and Gordon: Rick, I suspect you got your wish on the game lastnight. My son and grand kids were here yesterday from Co. Spgs. Bad asit sounds, I was going to ignore them to watch the game until it was soone sided at half time, I let the kids have the TV and became a goodhost. As of 8 AM Sun. I still don't know if KU pulled one out of their@@@ and turned it around. Gordon: I don't follow College football tooclose, but I to was rootin for KU, but just for state pride. Youcouldn't help it with the last week of hipe. Thats ALL we heard. On woodglue- The Aeropoxy i used was not too runny at all. If I used too muchin a vertical bond I would experience some running of the excess thatwas squeezed out, but a simple cleanup took care of that. All of my testpieces broke in the wood. I never looked into the glue he recomendedbecause at that time my gluing was about 90% finished. On winter, theAlmanac says the last day of days getting shorter is Dec. 7th. The firstday we start gaining day light is Dec. 13. I start to perk up on Dec.13. Leon S. with cabin fever in Ks. Wondering how you guys in Alaska doit.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Props
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Original Posted By: "Gordon Bowen"
Hi folks,Piet list newbie here. I and a buddy are putting one together we hope to have flyingnext summer. We recently scored a low time A-75, clean as a whistle inside.Regarding props: so far in what I have gleaned from comments here and there, agood choice for this combo would be in the 72-38 to 72-40 range. One poster commentedthat a 72-42 seemed a bit too much load and kept the engine from reachingtop revs during takeoff. I guess it makes a good cruise prop though.Maybe this topic has been covered in ages past, but I didn't find too much in myfeeble search attempts.Any comments?Thanks!Mike D.--------Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "Leon Stefan"
Leon,KU gave them a good run for the second half, let things get out of hand in first half. Mizzou has a good team, hope they meet WVU in NC game. Alaskans gotta embrace the winter, then sneek off to FL, AZ or HI in Jan. Feb. If that don't get it, the light the house and workshop up like inside of the sun.Gordon----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Chet's Mail"
Welcome to the list Mike. Props are always a good subject. I'm flying behind an A 65 and have a Struba 74 X 38. Works very well for me both in climb and in cruise. Someone else on the list had a Struba 76 X 38 with an A 65 they were happy with.The main reason I went with Struba is because he will repitch the prop as many times as it takes to get it right for free. I'm sure you will get a lot more input from the others.Gene> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Perhaps you mean Sterba?I have a Sterba prop on my A-65 which is a 72 x 42 which also works very well in both climb and cruise and the price and delivery sure was right.Roman Bukolt NX20795----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
Roman, "Sterba" it is.Gene________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "MikeD"
MikeSeveral of us who run the A-65 use a Sensenich 72x42. I get a cruise of about 75 mph.Also, welcome to the list.Dick----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PropsMike,I built the prop for my A65. It's a 72 X 42, that I have reworked two times, in order to get the rated rpm for the Continental engine - 2300 rpm at full power, level flight. I've got it there now, and I have over 300 hrs on this prop.Chuck G.NX770CG**************************************Check out AOL's list of 2007's hottest products.(http://money.aol.com/special/hot-produc ... 0000000001)________________________________________________________________________________
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