Original Posted By: "Everett L. Schermerhorn"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 'member this?>Walt, The regs say:>FAR 45.22(b) A small U.S. registered aircraft built at least 30 years agoor>a U.S. registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been>issued under 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operationg as an exhibitionaircraft>or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same externalconfiguration>as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago, may be operated without>displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:>(1) It displays in accordance with 45.21(c) marks at least 2" high on each>side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface ....>>So the bottom line is since the first Piet was built more than 30 years ago>you can use the 2" letters.>>Scott>>>> Just wanted to share what inspired me to build a Pietenpol. Was looking>for>> a project and then got issue. 'nuff said.>> Now I have a question. When it comes to "N" numbers. Jim Malleytalks>of>> a FAR 45.22, which says that an aircraft designed more than 30 years agois>> exempt from many of the current markings. Since then I've talked with a>guy>> who , last year finished a Kitfox, and he said that that reg has more>strings>> on it than it's worth.>> Has any or all of you guys registered yours with this reg?>> Fill me in, please.>> walt>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: TJTREV(at)webtv.net (Theodore Trevorrow)
Walt, The regs say:FAR 45.22(b) A small U.S. registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S. registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operationg as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago, may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:(1) It displays in accordance with 45.21(c) marks at least 2" high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface ....So the bottom line is since the first Piet was built more than 30 years ago you can use the 2" letters.Scott> Just wanted to share what inspired me to build a Pietenpol. Was looking for > a project and then got issue. 'nuff said.> Now I have a question. When it comes to "N" numbers. Jim Malley talks of > a FAR 45.22, which says that an aircraft designed more than 30 years ago is > exempt from many of the current markings. Since then I've talked with a guy > who , last year finished a Kitfox, and he said that that reg has more strings > on it than it's worth. > Has any or all of you guys registered yours with this reg?> Fill me in, please.> walt________________________________________________________________________________
Walt, The regs say:FAR 45.22(b) A small U.S. registered aircraft built at least 30 years ago or a U.S. registered aircraft for which an experimental certificate has been issued under 21.191(d) or 21.191(g) for operationg as an exhibition aircraft or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago, may be operated without displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:(1) It displays in accordance with 45.21(c) marks at least 2" high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface ....So the bottom line is since the first Piet was built more than 30 years ago you can use the 2" letters.Scott> Just wanted to share what inspired me to build a Pietenpol. Was looking for > a project and then got issue. 'nuff said.> Now I have a question. When it comes to "N" numbers. Jim Malley talks of > a FAR 45.22, which says that an aircraft designed more than 30 years ago is > exempt from many of the current markings. Since then I've talked with a guy > who , last year finished a Kitfox, and he said that that reg has more strings > on it than it's worth. > Has any or all of you guys registered yours with this reg?> Fill me in, please.> walt________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Hatz630(at)aol.com
You would be surprised at how many of our "FAA Friends" don't know thisregulation !!!!! BIG HINT=copy this and keep it your airframe logbook and acopy of it IN YOUR AIRPLANE AT ALL TIMES !!!! This came right from themouth of the Cleveland, Ohio Chief of MIDO !!! MIDO does the initialairworthiness thing to get you going. Down the road somewhere a FSDOAviation Safety Inspector might approach you being fresh out of "Fed school"just looking to Violate you because HE doesn't know the rules! This happensall the time. (Ask Bob Hoover). Anybody read his latest book entitled "AIROF INJUSTICE" ? If not, you cannot believe what happened to that man andnumerous others. Do your homework and in certain cases, TAKE IT WITH YOU!Earl (the Fed antagonist) Myers-----Original Message-----
You would be surprised at how many of our "FAA Friends" don't know thisregulation !!!!! BIG HINT=copy this and keep it your airframe logbook and acopy of it IN YOUR AIRPLANE AT ALL TIMES !!!! This came right from themouth of the Cleveland, Ohio Chief of MIDO !!! MIDO does the initialairworthiness thing to get you going. Down the road somewhere a FSDOAviation Safety Inspector might approach you being fresh out of "Fed school"just looking to Violate you because HE doesn't know the rules! This happensall the time. (Ask Bob Hoover). Anybody read his latest book entitled "AIROF INJUSTICE" ? If not, you cannot believe what happened to that man andnumerous others. Do your homework and in certain cases, TAKE IT WITH YOU!Earl (the Fed antagonist) Myers-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: Copinfo
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 'member this?>Walt- The 30 year old design deal with that FAR that allows you>to use NX------- is used by us to ELIMINATE the need for the big>EXPERIMENTAL sign otherwise required. In other words, if you use>the NX you don't need that big ugly sign inside or outside of your>aircraft. Don't let the FAA boys tell you otherwise.....have the reg.>printed out and hand it to him with your other paperwork. My guy>didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.....so I just handed>him the reg a let him read it. NOTE: the FAA in OKC will not recognize>that NX when you register or get your airworthiness certificate !>It is merely an X in place of that EXPERIMENTAL billboard. Just a marking,>not something on paper. It's a neat little thing to know about....thankyou>to Frank Pavliga Sr. and Jr. for telling me about this rule.>>Mike C.>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 'member this?>Walt- The 30 year old design deal with that FAR that allows you>to use NX------- is used by us to ELIMINATE the need for the big>EXPERIMENTAL sign otherwise required. In other words, if you use>the NX you don't need that big ugly sign inside or outside of your>aircraft. Don't let the FAA boys tell you otherwise.....have the reg.>printed out and hand it to him with your other paperwork. My guy>didn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.....so I just handed>him the reg a let him read it. NOTE: the FAA in OKC will not recognize>that NX when you register or get your airworthiness certificate !>It is merely an X in place of that EXPERIMENTAL billboard. Just a marking,>not something on paper. It's a neat little thing to know about....thankyou>to Frank Pavliga Sr. and Jr. for telling me about this rule.>>Mike C.>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Walt- The 30 year old design deal with that FAR that allows youto use NX------- is used by us to ELIMINATE the need for the bigEXPERIMENTAL sign otherwise required. In other words, if you usethe NX you don't need that big ugly sign inside or outside of youraircraft. Don't let the FAA boys tell you otherwise.....have the reg.printed out and hand it to him with your other paperwork. My guydidn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.....so I just handedhim the reg a let him read it. NOTE: the FAA in OKC will not recognizethat NX when you register or get your airworthiness certificate !It is merely an X in place of that EXPERIMENTAL billboard. Just a marking, not something on paper. It's a neat little thing to know about....thank youto Frank Pavliga Sr. and Jr. for telling me about this rule.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Walt- The 30 year old design deal with that FAR that allows youto use NX------- is used by us to ELIMINATE the need for the bigEXPERIMENTAL sign otherwise required. In other words, if you usethe NX you don't need that big ugly sign inside or outside of youraircraft. Don't let the FAA boys tell you otherwise.....have the reg.printed out and hand it to him with your other paperwork. My guydidn't have a clue as to what I was talking about.....so I just handedhim the reg a let him read it. NOTE: the FAA in OKC will not recognizethat NX when you register or get your airworthiness certificate !It is merely an X in place of that EXPERIMENTAL billboard. Just a marking, not something on paper. It's a neat little thing to know about....thank youto Frank Pavliga Sr. and Jr. for telling me about this rule.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Copinfo
This is a great info pack for those of you south of the Border. Anybodyknow of any obscure regs that might apply to Canada?________________________________________________________________________________
This is a great info pack for those of you south of the Border. Anybodyknow of any obscure regs that might apply to Canada?________________________________________________________________________________