Original Posted By: John Duprey
Subject: Pietenpol-List: long fuse?>what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get>started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be>building a short fuse or a long one. they are both>layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a>corvair.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: long fuse?
Pietenpol-List: long fuse?
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: long fuse?>what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get>started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be>building a short fuse or a long one. they are both>layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a>corvair.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: long fuse?>what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get>started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be>building a short fuse or a long one. they are both>layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a>corvair.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Michael Conkling
Subject: Pietenpol-List: long fuse?>what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get>started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be>building a short fuse or a long one. they are both>layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a>corvair.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: long fuse?>what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get>started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be>building a short fuse or a long one. they are both>layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a>corvair.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to getstarted on my piet. and I need to know if I should bebuilding a short fuse or a long one. they are bothlayed out in my plans. I am planning on using acorvair.________________________________________________________________________________
what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to getstarted on my piet. and I need to know if I should bebuilding a short fuse or a long one. they are bothlayed out in my plans. I am planning on using acorvair.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Dick Dery
Del, I haven't ordered the plans yet, but from what I understand, I think the long fuse is for the Corvair engine. I believe the Corvair is lighter than the Ford "A" engine, and needs the additional leverage forward of the wing to keep your cg where you need it. At least that seems to make sense to me. I'm also planning on using the Corvair engine. Where did you get yours? I saw a place in NY that listed a 110HP engine for $350.00, if that's right it sure beats the A65 Continental I was planning on using before I switched to the Corvair. If you haven't built ribs yet, you could always do some of those while waiting for an answer! Heck , if nothing else, if I'm wrong, I bet it spurs some folks on to correct me, then we'll both know! You know, could be that lots of folks are out of pocket right now due to the holiday weekend. Maybe someone who's done it will check in soon. Just wanted to let you know that someone was still out here!Good Luck,Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Del, I haven't ordered the plans yet, but from what I understand, I think the long fuse is for the Corvair engine. I believe the Corvair is lighter than the Ford "A" engine, and needs the additional leverage forward of the wing to keep your cg where you need it. At least that seems to make sense to me. I'm also planning on using the Corvair engine. Where did you get yours? I saw a place in NY that listed a 110HP engine for $350.00, if that's right it sure beats the A65 Continental I was planning on using before I switched to the Corvair. If you haven't built ribs yet, you could always do some of those while waiting for an answer! Heck , if nothing else, if I'm wrong, I bet it spurs some folks on to correct me, then we'll both know! You know, could be that lots of folks are out of pocket right now due to the holiday weekend. Maybe someone who's done it will check in soon. Just wanted to let you know that someone was still out here!Good Luck,Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: del magsam
Del,My understanding from the beginning, was that originally there was only an"A" powered Piet, which Bernard designed. Then they wanted to try morepopular engines of the 50's, which were Continentals and Lycomings. Theseengines are much lighter ( 170# vs. 250#). So they designed the long fuseso you could hang the engine farther fwd of the wing, and stretch outeverything else to keep the original appearance.Just like on a see-saw, if a fat kid gets off the other side and a light kidgets on , he has to slide further away from you/ the pivot point ( CG ). In this discussion you will hear of builders who built the short fuse witha Cont. and had to lengthen the engine mount 4" Plus move the wing back. I'm building a long fuse with Cont. 65 and lengthened the mount [ onlybecause I'm 225#])walt-----Original Message-----
Del,My understanding from the beginning, was that originally there was only an"A" powered Piet, which Bernard designed. Then they wanted to try morepopular engines of the 50's, which were Continentals and Lycomings. Theseengines are much lighter ( 170# vs. 250#). So they designed the long fuseso you could hang the engine farther fwd of the wing, and stretch outeverything else to keep the original appearance.Just like on a see-saw, if a fat kid gets off the other side and a light kidgets on , he has to slide further away from you/ the pivot point ( CG ). In this discussion you will hear of builders who built the short fuse witha Cont. and had to lengthen the engine mount 4" Plus move the wing back. I'm building a long fuse with Cont. 65 and lengthened the mount [ onlybecause I'm 225#])walt-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Copinfo
Gary...sorry you're not getting response...some of us may not have answers while others just assume those who would know will reply. I'm using the "A", but it has been my understanding that the long fuselage was designed by Mr Pietenpol specifically for his first (and only???) Corvair powered plane. Most of the guys using Continentals use the long fuselage for the same reason it was good for the Corvair...CG considerations. Hope that helps, but also hope you can get a more meaningful reply from one of the Corvair Peit guys !!Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Gary...sorry you're not getting response...some of us may not have answers while others just assume those who would know will reply. I'm using the "A", but it has been my understanding that the long fuselage was designed by Mr Pietenpol specifically for his first (and only???) Corvair powered plane. Most of the guys using Continentals use the long fuselage for the same reason it was good for the Corvair...CG considerations. Hope that helps, but also hope you can get a more meaningful reply from one of the Corvair Peit guys !!Don Hicks________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: del magsam
We're not ignoring you Del. Do the long fuselage.-----Original Message-----
We're not ignoring you Del. Do the long fuselage.-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: walter evans
Del: Bernard designed the Long Fuse for the Corvair Engine, So if youplan on using the corvair I would use the long fuselage.Happy Flying (Building)Johndel magsam wrote:> > what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get> started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be> building a short fuse or a long one. they are both> layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a> corvair.> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Del: Bernard designed the Long Fuse for the Corvair Engine, So if youplan on using the corvair I would use the long fuselage.Happy Flying (Building)Johndel magsam wrote:> > what does a guy do to get an answer. I want to get> started on my piet. and I need to know if I should be> building a short fuse or a long one. they are both> layed out in my plans. I am planning on using a> corvair.> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: del magsam
just be patient and ask again. I am building a grega with many mods and anold Cirrus air cooled inline four -It is fairly heavy about the same as aModel A with cooling system. The long Fuse alows more front cockpit leg roomand to my understanding works better with the Continental series of engines.Ask again and maybe some of the flying guys will comment.John Mc----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________
just be patient and ask again. I am building a grega with many mods and anold Cirrus air cooled inline four -It is fairly heavy about the same as aModel A with cooling system. The long Fuse alows more front cockpit leg roomand to my understanding works better with the Continental series of engines.Ask again and maybe some of the flying guys will comment.John Mc----Original Message-----________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: ToySat(at)aol.com
Hi del: Build the long one. I am, and so are most folks. I expect to use a corvair also. Have you picked out a tree yet? ________________________________________________________________________________
Hi del: Build the long one. I am, and so are most folks. I expect to use a corvair also. Have you picked out a tree yet? ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Hi Gary M: How are you doing on your piet? And engine? Ryder________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Gary M: How are you doing on your piet? And engine? Ryder________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Graham Hansen
Hello Ryder, I honestly haven't even gotten started yet on the Pietenpol. I have been doing my research for awhile now, and lurking around the list seeing what folks are doing trying to decide how I want to do this. I think I'm going to go with the Corvair engine, it seems like a nice lightweight alternative to the "A", with good power, durability and parts support, and I'm a little big, so the lighter weight helps out.I'd wanted to use a Continental, but I think the Corvair is a viable, economic alternative, although I do like magneto ignitions. I would love to be working on mine right now, but we're in the middle of buying a house, with the improvements that it will need, and I'm trying to do a little cosmetic work and speed mods on my Cardinal, and I'm working on my CFI. And I still try to work 40 a week too! Oh well, a little cheese with that whine would be perfect! But it is fun! Are you in the construction process on your Piet? If so, any words of wisdom to share? What engine/prop are you going to use? If you're flying it already, what do you think of its flight characteristics? It looks like a pretty straightforward design - Bernie did good! I look forward to hearing from you!Good luck,Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Hello Ryder, I honestly haven't even gotten started yet on the Pietenpol. I have been doing my research for awhile now, and lurking around the list seeing what folks are doing trying to decide how I want to do this. I think I'm going to go with the Corvair engine, it seems like a nice lightweight alternative to the "A", with good power, durability and parts support, and I'm a little big, so the lighter weight helps out.I'd wanted to use a Continental, but I think the Corvair is a viable, economic alternative, although I do like magneto ignitions. I would love to be working on mine right now, but we're in the middle of buying a house, with the improvements that it will need, and I'm trying to do a little cosmetic work and speed mods on my Cardinal, and I'm working on my CFI. And I still try to work 40 a week too! Oh well, a little cheese with that whine would be perfect! But it is fun! Are you in the construction process on your Piet? If so, any words of wisdom to share? What engine/prop are you going to use? If you're flying it already, what do you think of its flight characteristics? It looks like a pretty straightforward design - Bernie did good! I look forward to hearing from you!Good luck,Gary Meadows________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: del magsam
thanks gary and others who responded. sorry for myfrustration. I've started on the ribs and some of thehardware. I've been shopping for a corvair and haveordered the instructions from william wynn. it makessense to me to have a fresh corvair for the sameprice as a runout continental. which i understandthat parts are hard to get. mr wynn thinks that thecorvair is the better engine anyway. prices for "asis" corvairs seems to be 200 to 300 dollars.---Gary Meadows wrote:>> Del,> I haven't ordered the plans yet, but from what Iunderstand, I think the > long fuse is for the Corvair engine. I believe theCorvair is lighter than > the Ford "A" engine, and needs the additionalleverage forward of the wing > to keep your cg where you need it. At least thatseems to make sense to me. > I'm also planning on using the Corvair engine.Where did you get yours? I > saw a place in NY that listed a 110HP engine for$350.00, if that's right it > sure beats the A65 Continental I was planning onusing before I switched to > the Corvair. If you haven't built ribs yet, youcould always do some of > those while waiting for an answer!> > Heck , if nothing else, if I'm wrong, I bet itspurs some folks on to > correct me, then we'll both know!> > You know, could be that lots of folks are out ofpocket right now due to > the holiday weekend. Maybe someone who's done itwill check in soon. Just > wanted to let you know that someone was still outhere!> > Good Luck,> Gary Meadows> >> Get Your Private, Free Email athttp://www.hotmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
thanks gary and others who responded. sorry for myfrustration. I've started on the ribs and some of thehardware. I've been shopping for a corvair and haveordered the instructions from william wynn. it makessense to me to have a fresh corvair for the sameprice as a runout continental. which i understandthat parts are hard to get. mr wynn thinks that thecorvair is the better engine anyway. prices for "asis" corvairs seems to be 200 to 300 dollars.---Gary Meadows wrote:>> Del,> I haven't ordered the plans yet, but from what Iunderstand, I think the > long fuse is for the Corvair engine. I believe theCorvair is lighter than > the Ford "A" engine, and needs the additionalleverage forward of the wing > to keep your cg where you need it. At least thatseems to make sense to me. > I'm also planning on using the Corvair engine.Where did you get yours? I > saw a place in NY that listed a 110HP engine for$350.00, if that's right it > sure beats the A65 Continental I was planning onusing before I switched to > the Corvair. If you haven't built ribs yet, youcould always do some of > those while waiting for an answer!> > Heck , if nothing else, if I'm wrong, I bet itspurs some folks on to > correct me, then we'll both know!> > You know, could be that lots of folks are out ofpocket right now due to > the holiday weekend. Maybe someone who's done itwill check in soon. Just > wanted to let you know that someone was still outhere!> > Good Luck,> Gary Meadows> >> Get Your Private, Free Email athttp://www.hotmail.com> ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: walter evans
a tree? do you mean wood species? I plan to pick mysitka spruce at oshkosh home lumber co.(my son goesto avionics school there) they also seem to be morereasonable.---ToySat(at)aol.com wrote:>> Hi del: Build the long one. I am, and so are mostfolks. I expect to use a > corvair also. Have you picked out a tree yet? > ________________________________________________________________________________
a tree? do you mean wood species? I plan to pick mysitka spruce at oshkosh home lumber co.(my son goesto avionics school there) they also seem to be morereasonable.---ToySat(at)aol.com wrote:>> Hi del: Build the long one. I am, and so are mostfolks. I expect to use a > corvair also. Have you picked out a tree yet? > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Oshbridge(at)aol.com
Del, Glad to see your making headway, no problem on the frustration, that's just pent-up airplane-building energy! I have to think that the Corvair would be smoother running than the Continental with the six cylinders chugging away! I agree on the price thing too, a freshly overhauled Corvair is going to be about the same as the Continental runout. I must admit, that I had the leanings at first toward the A65/C85, but economy is important as is safety of course, but I think the Corvair can fill both bills. Del, do you ( or anyone else out there), know if there is a magneto conversion for the Corvair out there anywhere? I don't want the dual ignition necessarily, and I know the battery ignition is safe, but I'd also like the reduced complexity,(and weight), of a mag instead of the battery-type ignition of the Corvair. Thanks, Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Del, Glad to see your making headway, no problem on the frustration, that's just pent-up airplane-building energy! I have to think that the Corvair would be smoother running than the Continental with the six cylinders chugging away! I agree on the price thing too, a freshly overhauled Corvair is going to be about the same as the Continental runout. I must admit, that I had the leanings at first toward the A65/C85, but economy is important as is safety of course, but I think the Corvair can fill both bills. Del, do you ( or anyone else out there), know if there is a magneto conversion for the Corvair out there anywhere? I don't want the dual ignition necessarily, and I know the battery ignition is safe, but I'd also like the reduced complexity,(and weight), of a mag instead of the battery-type ignition of the Corvair. Thanks, Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
Oshkosh Home Building Center? The stock of sitka spruce that they carry has been sitting there on their racks for about 15 years, ever since Paul Poberezny returned it to them, deeming it unsuitable for aircraft use because of its grain. You'd better take a real close look at what you buy.Jim T________________________________________________________________________________
Oshkosh Home Building Center? The stock of sitka spruce that they carry has been sitting there on their racks for about 15 years, ever since Paul Poberezny returned it to them, deeming it unsuitable for aircraft use because of its grain. You'd better take a real close look at what you buy.Jim T________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: long fuse?
Original Posted By: hixsonb
Del, I think it was you that asked about the specs for spruce. I found something on the AS&S web page about that, here is what they list:"For additional technical information refer to a complete reprint of spruce specification MIL-S-6073 and plywood specification MIL-P-6070."They show it as P/N 13-14900 it'll set you back $3.50I hope this helps!Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Del, I think it was you that asked about the specs for spruce. I found something on the AS&S web page about that, here is what they list:"For additional technical information refer to a complete reprint of spruce specification MIL-S-6073 and plywood specification MIL-P-6070."They show it as P/N 13-14900 it'll set you back $3.50I hope this helps!Gary________________________________________________________________________________