Original Posted By: "Marvin L. Stovall"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instruction in an experimental ac.While hanging out at the RVan tent at Oshkosh, ( don't do "airventure")I listened to Richard Van explain the latest push that he and hiscompany are involved with. He is pushing for approval to let CFI'scharge for transitional training. He says CFI's cannot charge forinstruction in an exp. aircraft. Meanwhile as experienced in type CFI'sare setting in the coffee shop, builder pilot with no time in type aregiving themselves their check-outs, some with disastrous results.Instructors can't give their time away for free, and Exp. pilots can'tlegally pay them. This is for transitional training only, not forgeneral pilot training. You can tell I'm on vacation this week. I'mspending too #### much time with this stupid key board! Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Instruction in an experimental ac.
Pietenpol-List: Instruction in an experimental ac.
Original Posted By: Gary Meadows
While hanging out at the RVan tent at Oshkosh, ( don't do "airventure")I listened to Richard Van explain the latest push that he and hiscompany are involved with. He is pushing for approval to let CFI'scharge for transitional training. He says CFI's cannot charge forinstruction in an exp. aircraft. Meanwhile as experienced in type CFI'sare setting in the coffee shop, builder pilot with no time in type aregiving themselves their check-outs, some with disastrous results.Instructors can't give their time away for free, and Exp. pilots can'tlegally pay them. This is for transitional training only, not forgeneral pilot training. You can tell I'm on vacation this week. I'mspending too #### much time with this stupid key board! Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________
While hanging out at the RVan tent at Oshkosh, ( don't do "airventure")I listened to Richard Van explain the latest push that he and hiscompany are involved with. He is pushing for approval to let CFI'scharge for transitional training. He says CFI's cannot charge forinstruction in an exp. aircraft. Meanwhile as experienced in type CFI'sare setting in the coffee shop, builder pilot with no time in type aregiving themselves their check-outs, some with disastrous results.Instructors can't give their time away for free, and Exp. pilots can'tlegally pay them. This is for transitional training only, not forgeneral pilot training. You can tell I'm on vacation this week. I'mspending too #### much time with this stupid key board! Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Instruction in an experimental ac.
Original Posted By: vistin(at)juno.com
David & Leon, It sure wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about the regs. I guess it just goes to show that you should be over-conservative in any interpretation of the FARs! Oh well, I won't have to worry about it till next spring, when I finish my CFI. Honestly, I can't imagine myself charging a person to transition them into a plane that they built with their own hands - just doesn't seem right! Of course, I won't be making my living instructing, so I can say that.Cheers all,Gary________________________________________________________________________________
David & Leon, It sure wouldn't be the first time I was wrong about the regs. I guess it just goes to show that you should be over-conservative in any interpretation of the FARs! Oh well, I won't have to worry about it till next spring, when I finish my CFI. Honestly, I can't imagine myself charging a person to transition them into a plane that they built with their own hands - just doesn't seem right! Of course, I won't be making my living instructing, so I can say that.Cheers all,Gary________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Instruction in an experimental ac.
Original Posted By: Leon Stefan
After all the discussion I've read on the list I just had a thought. Iwonder if the FAA has ever made a judicial decision on this matter? Isthere precedence? Because until its been judicial decided and appealed itreally hasn't been interpreted.Just my .15875 cents worth.(after inflation)Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
After all the discussion I've read on the list I just had a thought. Iwonder if the FAA has ever made a judicial decision on this matter? Isthere precedence? Because until its been judicial decided and appealed itreally hasn't been interpreted.Just my .15875 cents worth.(after inflation)Greg Yotz-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Instruction in an experimental ac.
Original Posted By: Greg Yotz
The exemption that the EAA is trying to get is to allow owners to renttheir aircraft for transition training. That IS operation for hire.Leon Stefan wrote:> While hanging out at the RVan tent at Oshkosh, ( don't do "airventure")> I listened to Richard Van explain the latest push that he and his> company are involved with. He is pushing for approval to let CFI's> charge for transitional training. He says CFI's cannot charge for> instruction in an exp. aircraft. Meanwhile as experienced in type CFI's> are setting in the coffee shop, builder pilot with no time in type are> giving themselves their check-outs, some with disastrous results.> Instructors can't give their time away for free, and Exp. pilots can't> legally pay them. This is for transitional training only, not for> general pilot training. You can tell I'm on vacation this week. I'm> spending too #### much time with this stupid key board! Leon S.--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
The exemption that the EAA is trying to get is to allow owners to renttheir aircraft for transition training. That IS operation for hire.Leon Stefan wrote:> While hanging out at the RVan tent at Oshkosh, ( don't do "airventure")> I listened to Richard Van explain the latest push that he and his> company are involved with. He is pushing for approval to let CFI's> charge for transitional training. He says CFI's cannot charge for> instruction in an exp. aircraft. Meanwhile as experienced in type CFI's> are setting in the coffee shop, builder pilot with no time in type are> giving themselves their check-outs, some with disastrous results.> Instructors can't give their time away for free, and Exp. pilots can't> legally pay them. This is for transitional training only, not for> general pilot training. You can tell I'm on vacation this week. I'm> spending too #### much time with this stupid key board! Leon S.--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________