Original Posted By: del magsam
Yes i have a friend that uses epoxy same stuff that he buildshis plane with! or they same epoxy that you would build a fiber glasstank with you could seal the seams of a riveted tank! russell----- Original Message ----- ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: alum gas tank>I didn't know gas tanks could be such a big>discussion. I guess I thought when I got to that>point. I would just go buy one. but it has been very>interesting. I have come to a tentative conclusion>that an alum tank rivited and sealed at the joints>would be my prefered method. It seems like the rivits>and elasticity of the sealer would help the cracking>problem. It would have to be a sealer with good>elasticity so that it wouldn't dry up and crack. does>anybody have any suggestions to that? Also I was>wondering if anybody has used a fuel bladder. by the>way, what is the function of a gascolater?>>>=====>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: alum gas tank>I didn't know gas tanks could be such a big>discussion. I guess I thought when I got to that>point. I would just go buy one. but it has been very>interesting. I have come to a tentative conclusion>that an alum tank rivited and sealed at the joints>would be my prefered method. It seems like the rivits>and elasticity of the sealer would help the cracking>problem. It would have to be a sealer with good>elasticity so that it wouldn't dry up and crack. does>anybody have any suggestions to that? Also I was>wondering if anybody has used a fuel bladder. by the>way, what is the function of a gascolater?>>>=====>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: alum gas tank>In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central Daylight Time,>farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>> way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>>>Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest point in the fuel system as>an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical "bowl" usually with a>cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses to accommodate pipe>thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also its an ideal place to>install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I have seen have a means to>disassemble rather easily without disconnecting lines so you can clean the>screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like this? You should be able>to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply houses. And you might>even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with little or no>modification.>Terry B________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: alum gas tank>In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central Daylight Time,>farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>> way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>>>Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest point in the fuel system as>an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical "bowl" usually with a>cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses to accommodate pipe>thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also its an ideal place to>install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I have seen have a means to>disassemble rather easily without disconnecting lines so you can clean the>screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like this? You should be able>to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply houses. And you might>even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with little or no>modification.>Terry B________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
I didn't know gas tanks could be such a bigdiscussion. I guess I thought when I got to thatpoint. I would just go buy one. but it has been veryinteresting. I have come to a tentative conclusionthat an alum tank rivited and sealed at the jointswould be my prefered method. It seems like the rivitsand elasticity of the sealer would help the crackingproblem. It would have to be a sealer with goodelasticity so that it wouldn't dry up and crack. doesanybody have any suggestions to that? Also I waswondering if anybody has used a fuel bladder. by theway, what is the function of a gascolater?=====________________________________________________________________________________
I didn't know gas tanks could be such a bigdiscussion. I guess I thought when I got to thatpoint. I would just go buy one. but it has been veryinteresting. I have come to a tentative conclusionthat an alum tank rivited and sealed at the jointswould be my prefered method. It seems like the rivitsand elasticity of the sealer would help the crackingproblem. It would have to be a sealer with goodelasticity so that it wouldn't dry up and crack. doesanybody have any suggestions to that? Also I waswondering if anybody has used a fuel bladder. by theway, what is the function of a gascolater?=====________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: LaurenMWilliams(at)webtv.net (Lauren Williams)
In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central Daylight Time, farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest point in the fuel system as an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical "bowl" usually with a cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses to accommodate pipe thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also its an ideal place to install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I have seen have a means to disassemble rather easily without disconnecting lines so you can clean the screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like this? You should be able to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply houses. And you might even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with little or no modification.Terry B.________________________________________________________________________________
In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central Daylight Time, farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest point in the fuel system as an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical "bowl" usually with a cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses to accommodate pipe thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also its an ideal place to install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I have seen have a means to disassemble rather easily without disconnecting lines so you can clean the screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like this? You should be able to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply houses. And you might even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with little or no modification.Terry B.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
Del,A Gascolator is a combination strainer and water trap. They have aneasily activated drain on the bottom which you use to check for water,fuel grade (in case someone put jet fuel in your airplane) and flow rateeach morning before you fly and after each fuelling. They make neatclear plastic cups with a drain activation probe or teeth in the top tofit which ever type drain your gascolater has.The gascolater is located at the lowest point in the fuel system,usually at the bottom of the firewall in the engine compartment. Someaircraft have to have two, because they have two lowest points (low wingaircraft often) one when parked and another when flying.Fuel tanks should also have these drains located at the tank's lowestpoint when the aircraft is in the attitude that it takes when parked onthe ground. You drain a little off of these before you fly too.Bladders have been used on many planes. Cessna and others have used themand then gone back to wet wings or separate metal tanks. The bigproblem with bladders seems to come if they are not kept full when onthe ground. A friend had a partner who always left the tanks nearlyempty. Empty tanks collect moisture, through condensation, as thetemperature changes morning and night. Moisture from the air condenseson the inside of the tank; full tank, no air, no air, no moisture. Inaddition, a full tank keeps the bladder stretched out and flat on thebottom. My buddy had two engine outs and one off field landing(successful, no damage) in this Cessna 210 before he decided thatbladders and partnerships in airplanes weren't for him. Since then hehas had his own wet wing 210 for 15 years. mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2)Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:03:50 -0700 (PDT)________________________________________________________________________________
Del,A Gascolator is a combination strainer and water trap. They have aneasily activated drain on the bottom which you use to check for water,fuel grade (in case someone put jet fuel in your airplane) and flow rateeach morning before you fly and after each fuelling. They make neatclear plastic cups with a drain activation probe or teeth in the top tofit which ever type drain your gascolater has.The gascolater is located at the lowest point in the fuel system,usually at the bottom of the firewall in the engine compartment. Someaircraft have to have two, because they have two lowest points (low wingaircraft often) one when parked and another when flying.Fuel tanks should also have these drains located at the tank's lowestpoint when the aircraft is in the attitude that it takes when parked onthe ground. You drain a little off of these before you fly too.Bladders have been used on many planes. Cessna and others have used themand then gone back to wet wings or separate metal tanks. The bigproblem with bladders seems to come if they are not kept full when onthe ground. A friend had a partner who always left the tanks nearlyempty. Empty tanks collect moisture, through condensation, as thetemperature changes morning and night. Moisture from the air condenseson the inside of the tank; full tank, no air, no air, no moisture. Inaddition, a full tank keeps the bladder stretched out and flat on thebottom. My buddy had two engine outs and one off field landing(successful, no damage) in this Cessna 210 before he decided thatbladders and partnerships in airplanes weren't for him. Since then hehas had his own wet wing 210 for 15 years. mailsorter-102-3.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-d/ms.dwm.v7+dul2)Date: Sun, 03 Oct 1999 20:03:50 -0700 (PDT)________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: alum gas tank>I guess I've flown enough to know about checking for>water with the "cup" but didn't know that it was>called a gascolater. wonder how that term was>origanated. on my tractor I call it a sediment bowl.>>--- BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:>> In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central>> Daylight Time,>> farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>>>> > way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>>>>> Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest>> point in the fuel system as>> an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical>> "bowl" usually with a>> cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses>> to accommodate pipe>> thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also>> its an ideal place to>> install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I>> have seen have a means to>> disassemble rather easily without disconnecting>> lines so you can clean the>> screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like>> this? You should be able>> to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply>> houses. And you might>> even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with>> little or no>> modification.>> Terry B.>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: alum gas tank>I guess I've flown enough to know about checking for>water with the "cup" but didn't know that it was>called a gascolater. wonder how that term was>origanated. on my tractor I call it a sediment bowl.>>--- BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:>> In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central>> Daylight Time,>> farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:>>>> > way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>>>>> Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest>> point in the fuel system as>> an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical>> "bowl" usually with a>> cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses>> to accommodate pipe>> thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also>> its an ideal place to>> install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I>> have seen have a means to>> disassemble rather easily without disconnecting>> lines so you can clean the>> screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like>> this? You should be able>> to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply>> houses. And you might>> even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with>> little or no>> modification.>> Terry B.>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: del magsam
Del , a gascolator is a sediment and water trap that is usually the lowestpart of the fuel system and is most often mounted on the engine side of thefirewall. A very important part of your preflight inspection is to drain thegascolator and check the drainage for water and impurities. I have no infoon sealants for riveted tanks although many homebuilts use this method. TheRV series for one. Any RV builders listening?John Mc-----Original Message-----
Del , a gascolator is a sediment and water trap that is usually the lowestpart of the fuel system and is most often mounted on the engine side of thefirewall. A very important part of your preflight inspection is to drain thegascolator and check the drainage for water and impurities. I have no infoon sealants for riveted tanks although many homebuilts use this method. TheRV series for one. Any RV builders listening?John Mc-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: John Weikel
I guess I've flown enough to know about checking forwater with the "cup" but didn't know that it wascalled a gascolater. wonder how that term wasoriganated. on my tractor I call it a sediment bowl.--- BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central> Daylight Time, > farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:> > way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>> > Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest> point in the fuel system as > an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical> "bowl" usually with a > cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses> to accommodate pipe > thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also> its an ideal place to > install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I> have seen have a means to > disassemble rather easily without disconnecting> lines so you can clean the > screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like> this? You should be able > to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply> houses. And you might > even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with> little or no > modification.> Terry B.> =====________________________________________________________________________________
I guess I've flown enough to know about checking forwater with the "cup" but didn't know that it wascalled a gascolater. wonder how that term wasoriganated. on my tractor I call it a sediment bowl.--- BARNSTMR(at)aol.com wrote:> In a message dated 10/3/99 9:57:59 PM Central> Daylight Time, > farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com writes:> > way, what is the function of a gascolater? >>> > Del...The gascolator is installed at the lowest> point in the fuel system as > an inline sediment/water trap. It is a cylindrical> "bowl" usually with a > cast aluminum head with the inlet and outlet bosses> to accommodate pipe > thread fittings. It should have a drain cock. Also> its an ideal place to > install a screen to catch foreign debris. Most I> have seen have a means to > disassemble rather easily without disconnecting> lines so you can clean the > screen. Doesn't your tractor have something like> this? You should be able > to find one made for aircraft at any of the supply> houses. And you might > even find one at Tractor Supply that would work with> little or no > modification.> Terry B.> =====________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
I got mine at a NAPA auto parts store. About $20 and I made the bracket tohang it. Kabota tractor parts places have them too but they are moreexpensive.John W-----Original Message-----
I got mine at a NAPA auto parts store. About $20 and I made the bracket tohang it. Kabota tractor parts places have them too but they are moreexpensive.John W-----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By:> del magsam [SMTP:farmerdel(at)rocketmail.com]
The gascolator is a filter and trap installed at the lowest point of thefuel system, certainly lower than the carburetor, which acts as a finalfilter for dirt and a trap for water in the fuel before the fuel gets to theengine. It has a quick drain which should be drained during the pre-flightinspection and checked for the presence of water (use a clear container todrain it and look for blobs of water on the bottom, under the fuel (water isheavier than gasoline and won't mix with the gas). If water is found,continue checking ti until no water is found.> -----Original Message-----
The gascolator is a filter and trap installed at the lowest point of thefuel system, certainly lower than the carburetor, which acts as a finalfilter for dirt and a trap for water in the fuel before the fuel gets to theengine. It has a quick drain which should be drained during the pre-flightinspection and checked for the presence of water (use a clear container todrain it and look for blobs of water on the bottom, under the fuel (water isheavier than gasoline and won't mix with the gas). If water is found,continue checking ti until no water is found.> -----Original Message-----
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Original Posted By: del magsam
collate, to separate or sort. separates gasoline from dirt waterfuel tank debris etc.-----Original Message-----
collate, to separate or sort. separates gasoline from dirt waterfuel tank debris etc.-----Original Message-----