Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
"Phil Hopkins" Hello all,Hokay, I've looked all over, and I'm not finding much info on costs. I know mostof you probably know all this stuff, but I'm a first time builder, and I'mtrying to get a fix on just how much moolah I'm gonna wind up laying out for thisadmittedly priceless airplane. :-} Would anyone mind offering some ballpark figures for say, wood :-} and the variousitems that have to go somewhere on the plane like wheels and brakes, cowl,gas tanks, landing gear, prop, etc.? I know the old saw that someone builta Piet for $3500 (or $1500 or $2500....), but I'm hoping to get a little inputon more typical total costs.ThanksPhil Hopkins________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: costs
Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: del magsam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: costsI built my first improved air camper for under $3000. It's model A powered. It can be done for low cost if you are good at shoping and scrounging and if you the interest in doing such. You can spend as much as you want also. I'll give you an idea how I did my first one:Spars - homemade from hand picked vertical grain 3/4 in fir from a local lumber wholesaler (three piece wing) Longerons- made from 2x8 fir from same supplier Tank- fiber glass- same shape as plans- model A cap and filler neck and all. Am very pleased with this tank- have a mold if you want to borrow it.Wheels- spoke type with 5 /2 in wide homemade hubs. hard to make -do not recommend- on second aircraft used 6 in good year wheels -machined off the brake holders- installed 8.00 x 6 four ply tires from wicks- light and inexpensive. more later, have to runDoug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 04:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: costsI built my first improved air camper for under $3000. It's model A powered. It can be done for low cost if you are good at shoping and scrounging and if you the interest in doing such. You can spend as much as you want also. I'll give you an idea how I did my first one:Spars - homemade from hand picked vertical grain 3/4 in fir from a local lumber wholesaler (three piece wing) Longerons- made from 2x8 fir from same supplier Tank- fiber glass- same shape as plans- model A cap and filler neck and all. Am very pleased with this tank- have a mold if you want to borrow it.Wheels- spoke type with 5 /2 in wide homemade hubs. hard to make -do not recommend- on second aircraft used 6 in good year wheels -machined off the brake holders- installed 8.00 x 6 four ply tires from wicks- light and inexpensive. more later, have to runDoug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 04:57:11 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: "Greg Cardinal"
Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: "Bob Seibert"
I found the samething. Which cause me to make some vacations revolve aroundgetting parts and also becoming a better scrounger. I took the advise ofothers on the list and bought my struts used from the local airport andfound beatiful streamline struts from a certified aircraft for $20 each.Greg>> Another thing to factor in that is generally underestimated.....SHIPPING> COSTS. I tend to find that this is the great unknown. For example, I just> ordered some strut blanks from Univair. The struts cost about $800 CDN.> The shipping cost $220 CDN! Granted, the struts are 10' and could not go> by UPS, but $220 is a little steep! The worst thing is that there is> generally nothing you can do about it. If you send the parts back, you may> still end up with the shipping bill but no parts!>> The big thing here in Canada is the custom charges that some shippers> charge. For example, UPS charges a $40 customs charge on every shipment it> processes through customs. So, let's say you order 20 items from Aircraft> Spruce totalling $150. Due to back ordered parts, the order is sent in 3> shipments, something ASS likes to do. Shipping charges alone will come to> about $40 for the 3 shipments and then you will pay another $120 in> customs charges. That makes for a $160 shipping charge for a $150 order! I> have had to insist that US suppliers ship only complete orders and that> they use US mail only as the customs fee is $7 and the shipping costs are> cheaper. Besides, UPS generally holds things in customs for a week or so> making the mail just as fast, if not faster.>> If you really want to save some money, make less frequent, larger orders> to the supply houses and insist that suppliers ship only complete orders.> If you're in the States, UPS is fine especially since thay offer pretty> good insurance and tracking.>> I'd say that in total, I've spent between $1500 and $2000 in shipping> alone for the project! However, considering that most kit manufacturers> and even automotive dealerships charge from $500 - $1500 for shipping (and> crating), it's not that far off the mark. Even shipping is cheaper in bulk>
. Oh well, enough rambling. I'm just venting over the sticker shock of> this afternoon's strut order.>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:10:34 -0500
I found the samething. Which cause me to make some vacations revolve aroundgetting parts and also becoming a better scrounger. I took the advise ofothers on the list and bought my struts used from the local airport andfound beatiful streamline struts from a certified aircraft for $20 each.Greg>> Another thing to factor in that is generally underestimated.....SHIPPING> COSTS. I tend to find that this is the great unknown. For example, I just> ordered some strut blanks from Univair. The struts cost about $800 CDN.> The shipping cost $220 CDN! Granted, the struts are 10' and could not go> by UPS, but $220 is a little steep! The worst thing is that there is> generally nothing you can do about it. If you send the parts back, you may> still end up with the shipping bill but no parts!>> The big thing here in Canada is the custom charges that some shippers> charge. For example, UPS charges a $40 customs charge on every shipment it> processes through customs. So, let's say you order 20 items from Aircraft> Spruce totalling $150. Due to back ordered parts, the order is sent in 3> shipments, something ASS likes to do. Shipping charges alone will come to> about $40 for the 3 shipments and then you will pay another $120 in> customs charges. That makes for a $160 shipping charge for a $150 order! I> have had to insist that US suppliers ship only complete orders and that> they use US mail only as the customs fee is $7 and the shipping costs are> cheaper. Besides, UPS generally holds things in customs for a week or so> making the mail just as fast, if not faster.>> If you really want to save some money, make less frequent, larger orders> to the supply houses and insist that suppliers ship only complete orders.> If you're in the States, UPS is fine especially since thay offer pretty> good insurance and tracking.>> I'd say that in total, I've spent between $1500 and $2000 in shipping> alone for the project! However, considering that most kit manufacturers> and even automotive dealerships charge from $500 - $1500 for shipping (and> crating), it's not that far off the mark. Even shipping is cheaper in bulk>
. Oh well, enough rambling. I'm just venting over the sticker shock of> this afternoon's strut order.>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 07 Sep 2000 11:10:34 -0500Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: Microcar2(at)aol.com
"Domenico Bellissimo" Ken,just a note about the UPS custom charges. That charge is for them to writeup and submit a form( # - ?), but you can save the cost with UPS if you tellthem and insist you can file your own customs document. A friend that worksin the industry told me this.regards,Domenico________________________________________________________________________________
"Domenico Bellissimo" Ken,just a note about the UPS custom charges. That charge is for them to writeup and submit a form( # - ?), but you can save the cost with UPS if you tellthem and insist you can file your own customs document. A friend that worksin the industry told me this.regards,Domenico________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: costs
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
"Ian Holland" ----- Original Message -----
"Ian Holland" ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Ian Holland
Hi Ian The method you discribe works here in Manitoba. I have a fellow RAAmember who is a Mountie stationed near the border. He keeps a US postal boxin the US that he alows other builders to ship to. It works well.John----- Original Message -----
Hi Ian The method you discribe works here in Manitoba. I have a fellow RAAmember who is a Mountie stationed near the border. He keeps a US postal boxin the US that he alows other builders to ship to. It works well.John----- Original Message -----