Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel>>Doug,> The Pietenpol plans do not call for any specific control surfacetravel>and there are no stops called for in the plans. I wish I could think of>something to solve your problem, but it still sounds like a weight and>balance problem. If you want to install stops, it would have to be a>matter of trial and error until you got what you wanted.>>John Langston>Pipe Creek, TX>nle97(at)juno.com>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
Hi all,Some of you may remember I posted a question regarding my one Pietthat dropped its tail during 3 point landings _ any way it finally had tohapenAbout 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped overontoits back-The damage is extenive but repairs have started and the Piet shouldfly again in about 6 - 7 months time-I was only a Piet Pilot before but amnow abuilder or should I say rebuilder-Can any one tell me what the amount ofelavator travelshould be ? as this time I want to fit elavator stops.I still have the Greager to fly while Im rebuilding the Piet so life isntall badRegardsDoug ReeveJohannesburg South Africa.________________________________________________________________________________
Hi all,Some of you may remember I posted a question regarding my one Pietthat dropped its tail during 3 point landings _ any way it finally had tohapenAbout 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped overontoits back-The damage is extenive but repairs have started and the Piet shouldfly again in about 6 - 7 months time-I was only a Piet Pilot before but amnow abuilder or should I say rebuilder-Can any one tell me what the amount ofelavator travelshould be ? as this time I want to fit elavator stops.I still have the Greager to fly while Im rebuilding the Piet so life isntall badRegardsDoug ReeveJohannesburg South Africa.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: elevator horns
Original Posted By: Doug413(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: elevator hornsIn a message dated 10/2/00 7:00:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rambog(at)erols.com writes: > In a message dated 10/1/00 2:17:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net writes: > > horn than an angular pull. > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam ) >> > > I agree with you, Mike. Build it according to the plans. It's worked for 70 > + years. Safety is of the utmost importance, and when major alterations are > made, or new spars are repaired, safety is compromised. > Chuck G. > >>I angled mine somewhat close to the cable angle on the elevator and rudder. I have 78 hours on the plane and it works fine. I have built three complete tail sections now and angled all of them. I did not really like setting them "straight" and pulling them at an angle in service, particularly the rudder. The two aircraft in the museums at Oshkosh are both made straight. When I bult mine, I did not know that. The #8 bolts used to fasten the horns don't pass through the center of the spar on mine. One is a little forward and the other is slightly aft of the spar. Looks like either will do the job.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: elevator hornsIn a message dated 10/2/00 7:00:40 AM Pacific Daylight Time, rambog(at)erols.com writes: > In a message dated 10/1/00 2:17:06 PM Central Daylight Time, > mb-albany(at)worldnet.att.net writes: > > horn than an angular pull. > > Mike B Piet N687MB ( Mr Sam ) >> > > I agree with you, Mike. Build it according to the plans. It's worked for 70 > + years. Safety is of the utmost importance, and when major alterations are > made, or new spars are repaired, safety is compromised. > Chuck G. > >>I angled mine somewhat close to the cable angle on the elevator and rudder. I have 78 hours on the plane and it works fine. I have built three complete tail sections now and angled all of them. I did not really like setting them "straight" and pulling them at an angle in service, particularly the rudder. The two aircraft in the museums at Oshkosh are both made straight. When I bult mine, I did not know that. The #8 bolts used to fasten the horns don't pass through the center of the spar on mine. One is a little forward and the other is slightly aft of the spar. Looks like either will do the job.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol data plates
Original Posted By: "Mike Bell"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator TravelIn a message dated 10/2/00 8:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, intercon(at)netactive.co.za writes:<< Hi all, Some of you may remember I posted a question regarding my one Piet that dropped its tail during 3 point landings _ any way it finally had to hapen About 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped over onto its back-The damage is extenive but repairs have started and the Piet should fly again in about 6 - 7 months time-I was only a Piet Pilot before but am now a builder or should I say rebuilder-Can any one tell me what the amount of elavator travel should be ? as this time I want to fit elavator stops. I still have the Greager to fly while Im rebuilding the Piet so life isnt all bad Regards Doug Reeve Johannesburg South Africa.I don't understand the question?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol data plates
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator TravelIn a message dated 10/2/00 8:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, intercon(at)netactive.co.za writes:<< Hi all, Some of you may remember I posted a question regarding my one Piet that dropped its tail during 3 point landings _ any way it finally had to hapen About 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped over onto its back-The damage is extenive but repairs have started and the Piet should fly again in about 6 - 7 months time-I was only a Piet Pilot before but am now a builder or should I say rebuilder-Can any one tell me what the amount of elavator travel should be ? as this time I want to fit elavator stops. I still have the Greager to fly while Im rebuilding the Piet so life isnt all bad Regards Doug Reeve Johannesburg South Africa.I don't understand the question?________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol data plates
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: "Redeye"
"Michael Brusilow" >>In a message dated 10/2/00 8:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >intercon(at)netactive.co.za writes:>> About 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped over> onto> its back-The damage is extenive.I don't understand, you mean it flipped fwd onto its back?Can any one tell me what the amount of> elavator travel> should be ? > Regards> Doug Reeve> Johannesburg South Africa.I use 30 deg up & down.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
"Michael Brusilow" >>In a message dated 10/2/00 8:53:13 AM Pacific Daylight Time, >intercon(at)netactive.co.za writes:>> About 3 weeks ago I dropped the tail wheel in and the plane flipped over> onto> its back-The damage is extenive.I don't understand, you mean it flipped fwd onto its back?Can any one tell me what the amount of> elavator travel> should be ? > Regards> Doug Reeve> Johannesburg South Africa.I use 30 deg up & down.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: Richard DeCosta
We have 4 Piets at our airfield including my Greager I have checked thetravel onall of them and all vary in the amount of El. travel.The Piet I crashed inhas the most travel.I have never seen the plans for a Piet and dont know who has a copy nearby.My Piet had the "UP" cables routing out above the tailplane via a bell cranksystemMy Greagers cables route over the leading edge of the talplane on smallpulleys.Im not sure what system is correct .I think the tail dropping has somethingtodo with the wingspan being increased by over 2 metres but I cant give aproper anwserThe weight and balance has been checked twice by two peaple.When the plane flies again I will only wheel land it.Thanx for your replies-I had no injuries at all but was wearing a crashhelmet that did damagethe instrament panel-I will continue to wear the helmet.Regards Doug ReevePS My wife has recently completed her Private Pilots Licence (PPL) all onthe Piet and theGreager-She has never flown any other aircraft type________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
We have 4 Piets at our airfield including my Greager I have checked thetravel onall of them and all vary in the amount of El. travel.The Piet I crashed inhas the most travel.I have never seen the plans for a Piet and dont know who has a copy nearby.My Piet had the "UP" cables routing out above the tailplane via a bell cranksystemMy Greagers cables route over the leading edge of the talplane on smallpulleys.Im not sure what system is correct .I think the tail dropping has somethingtodo with the wingspan being increased by over 2 metres but I cant give aproper anwserThe weight and balance has been checked twice by two peaple.When the plane flies again I will only wheel land it.Thanx for your replies-I had no injuries at all but was wearing a crashhelmet that did damagethe instrament panel-I will continue to wear the helmet.Regards Doug ReevePS My wife has recently completed her Private Pilots Licence (PPL) all onthe Piet and theGreager-She has never flown any other aircraft type________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2000 05:39:59 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
"Domenico Bellissimo" An A/C in Canada will not pass inspection if it does not have stops on theelevators. Just thought I would pass that along. And the travel after thestops are installed must be recorded and reported to the inspector either indegrees of travel or inches of travel.Domenico-----Original Message-----
"Domenico Bellissimo" An A/C in Canada will not pass inspection if it does not have stops on theelevators. Just thought I would pass that along. And the travel after thestops are installed must be recorded and reported to the inspector either indegrees of travel or inches of travel.Domenico-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
"Michael Brusilow" ----->>Doug,>> The Pietenpol plans do not call for any specific control surface>travel>>and there are no stops called for in the plans. I wish I could think of>>something to solve your problem, but it still sounds like a weight and>>balance problem. If you want to install stops, it would have to be a>>matter of trial and error until you got what you wanted.>>>>John Langston>>Pipe Creek, TX>>nle97(at)juno.com>>This may help. I posted it a while ago:Elevator stop was fabricated from 1/8 X 1.5 or 2 inch Al stock. A slot wascut in the middle of the piece. A swivel bolt was placed thru the torquetube just in front of the seat. A 1/4 bolt thru the stick rides in the slot.A friction wing nut is placed on the bolt. As the stick is moved fore & aft,the bolt rides in the slot. The length of the slot is determined by thedegree of up & down elevator travel. I use 30 deg up & down.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:10:56 -0400
"Michael Brusilow" ----->>Doug,>> The Pietenpol plans do not call for any specific control surface>travel>>and there are no stops called for in the plans. I wish I could think of>>something to solve your problem, but it still sounds like a weight and>>balance problem. If you want to install stops, it would have to be a>>matter of trial and error until you got what you wanted.>>>>John Langston>>Pipe Creek, TX>>nle97(at)juno.com>>This may help. I posted it a while ago:Elevator stop was fabricated from 1/8 X 1.5 or 2 inch Al stock. A slot wascut in the middle of the piece. A swivel bolt was placed thru the torquetube just in front of the seat. A 1/4 bolt thru the stick rides in the slot.A friction wing nut is placed on the bolt. As the stick is moved fore & aft,the bolt rides in the slot. The length of the slot is determined by thedegree of up & down elevator travel. I use 30 deg up & down.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2000 12:10:56 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Elavator Travel
Original Posted By: "ED GRENTZER"
Hi,I dont know what make of tail wheel I have but it looks just like theScott unit on my Starduster only smaller.I nortmally land my Piet wih awheel a landing as I was aware of the problem but on the day I crashed Ineeded to make a short landing as I was useing the runwayopersite the active runway(Into wind & grass)and didnt want to interferewith the other traffic on our main runway-It was a VERY short landing -onlyproblem was I was upside down.The ange of attack meteris the best idea Ive heard to date-This I want to try over the weekend onthe Greiger and my friends Piet.Thanx for all the comments and ideasRegards Dog ReeveJohannesburg________________________________________________________________________________
Hi,I dont know what make of tail wheel I have but it looks just like theScott unit on my Starduster only smaller.I nortmally land my Piet wih awheel a landing as I was aware of the problem but on the day I crashed Ineeded to make a short landing as I was useing the runwayopersite the active runway(Into wind & grass)and didnt want to interferewith the other traffic on our main runway-It was a VERY short landing -onlyproblem was I was upside down.The ange of attack meteris the best idea Ive heard to date-This I want to try over the weekend onthe Greiger and my friends Piet.Thanx for all the comments and ideasRegards Dog ReeveJohannesburg________________________________________________________________________________