Original Posted By: "Michael Brusilow"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib This is the way I did it on my plane too. I would only add that if I wereto do it again, I would add a bridge strip between the root rib and the onenext to it. My fabric over the past two years has pulled the rib toward thetip slightly causing a slight pucker. Adding a spar cap would prevent this.Stevee***************Steve, did you install the 2" 1/16 plywood bracing strips along the top and bottom of the root rib, and the diagonal bracing to the top and bottom cap strips in the bay between the spars? Mine seems pretty sturdy with that, but I haven't covered yet...Matt Paxton________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: "Pete Smith"
"Michael Brusilow" >>>This is the way I did it on my plane too. I would only add that if I were>to do it again, I would add a bridge strip between the root rib and the one>next to it. My fabric over the past two years has pulled the rib towardthe>tip slightly causing a slight pucker. >SteveeI added diagonals from the root rib to the spar.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
"Michael Brusilow" >>>This is the way I did it on my plane too. I would only add that if I were>to do it again, I would add a bridge strip between the root rib and the one>next to it. My fabric over the past two years has pulled the rib towardthe>tip slightly causing a slight pucker. >SteveeI added diagonals from the root rib to the spar.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr sam )________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)Would Ed, (forgot the last name) who posted some questions about tailwheel last week , please contact me. I would like to ask some questions.Thanks Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:28:55 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel leonstefanhutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan)Would Ed, (forgot the last name) who posted some questions about tailwheel last week , please contact me. I would like to ask some questions.Thanks Leon S.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 15 Oct 2000 10:28:55 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: Edward Nolan
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
SteveE here,I did install the 2" x 1/16" ply and the diagonals... The problem is at thespar itself. two nails and a dab of glue isn't enough to hold the rib inplace. the rib is pulled outboard on top of the spar. The fix is simply toincrease the surface area of the glue joint at each intersection of rib andspar on both front and back spars. A small wedge of scrap to back up therib or a full piece between the root and the root plus one rib would do thetrick. Every where else the rib has stayed in place.Steve E-----Original Message-----
SteveE here,I did install the 2" x 1/16" ply and the diagonals... The problem is at thespar itself. two nails and a dab of glue isn't enough to hold the rib inplace. the rib is pulled outboard on top of the spar. The fix is simply toincrease the surface area of the glue joint at each intersection of rib andspar on both front and back spars. A small wedge of scrap to back up therib or a full piece between the root and the root plus one rib would do thetrick. Every where else the rib has stayed in place.Steve E-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DihedralHi PietsThis message will insult many intellectuals but since I haven't been in a math class since 1939 I have a simple question.I desire to set my wings at a 1 1/2 degree dihedral. ( 3 pc wing). How much of a rise in inches at the last outboard rib or just try and tell me the math involved?Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:01:27 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Subject: Pietenpol-List: DihedralHi PietsThis message will insult many intellectuals but since I haven't been in a math class since 1939 I have a simple question.I desire to set my wings at a 1 1/2 degree dihedral. ( 3 pc wing). How much of a rise in inches at the last outboard rib or just try and tell me the math involved?Corky in La________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:01:27 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Re: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral
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"Michael Conkling" Hi CorkyThe Trig way to find isn't too bad if you have a calculator -- what you wantis the TAN of 1 1/2 degrees -- this times the distance out will give you therise (you really should use COS, but this way will get you close enough! ;-)Another way is to use the fact that 1" rise in 57" (+ a bit!) will give youan angle of 1 degree -- sometimes this is more useful than trying to layoutsomething with a protractor. Up to about 15" of rise (to the 57" run) youare within 1/4 degree of the "protractor" angle.Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KS----- Original Message -----
"Michael Conkling" Hi CorkyThe Trig way to find isn't too bad if you have a calculator -- what you wantis the TAN of 1 1/2 degrees -- this times the distance out will give you therise (you really should use COS, but this way will get you close enough! ;-)Another way is to use the fact that 1" rise in 57" (+ a bit!) will give youan angle of 1 degree -- sometimes this is more useful than trying to layoutsomething with a protractor. Up to about 15" of rise (to the 57" run) youare within 1/4 degree of the "protractor" angle.Mike C.Pretty Prairie, KS----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Dihedral
Original Posted By: del magsam
Re: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral
Original Posted By: jared wilkinson
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DihedralIn a message dated 10/16/00 5:46:25 PM Central Daylight Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:>Hey Corky, lets consider for a moment what this dihedral is going to do for you. In flight, acording to Bernard and Vi Cappler, it will do very little...if anything. The design of the wing tips tend to be a substitute for digedral. During static display, it will deter from the classic lines of a Pietenpol, or for that matter any vintage aircraft. In my humble oppinion, you should rig the wing straight, with no washout. Keep it simple and easy. If you keep the ball in the middle during flight, a hershey bar wing will inherently stall inboard first, eliminating the need for washout.Chuck GantzerWichita KS________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: DihedralIn a message dated 10/16/00 5:46:25 PM Central Daylight Time, Isablcorky(at)aol.com writes:>Hey Corky, lets consider for a moment what this dihedral is going to do for you. In flight, acording to Bernard and Vi Cappler, it will do very little...if anything. The design of the wing tips tend to be a substitute for digedral. During static display, it will deter from the classic lines of a Pietenpol, or for that matter any vintage aircraft. In my humble oppinion, you should rig the wing straight, with no washout. Keep it simple and easy. If you keep the ball in the middle during flight, a hershey bar wing will inherently stall inboard first, eliminating the need for washout.Chuck GantzerWichita KS________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 05:34:13 -0700 (PDT)
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: "John McNarry"
At the risk of showing my ignorance which ribs are identified as "root ribs" on the 3-piece wing, the ones on the inboard of the wing panels or the ones at the outboard end???????Dave Boyd, Champaign, IL , just finishing rib #32.>From: Steve Eldredge >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com, Steve Eldredge >To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'" , >"'Woodflier(at)aol.com'" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:13:40 -0600>>>SteveE here,>>I did install the 2" x 1/16" ply and the diagonals... The problem is at >the>spar itself. two nails and a dab of glue isn't enough to hold the rib in>place. the rib is pulled outboard on top of the spar. The fix is simply >to>increase the surface area of the glue joint at each intersection of rib and>spar on both front and back spars. A small wedge of scrap to back up the>rib or a full piece between the root and the root plus one rib would do the>trick. Every where else the rib has stayed in place.>>Steve E>>-----Original Message----->From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of>Woodflier(at)aol.com>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:00 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib>>>This is the way I did it on my plane too. I would only add that if I were>to do it again, I would add a bridge strip between the root rib and the one>next to it. My fabric over the past two years has pulled the rib toward >the>tip slightly causing a slight pucker. Adding a spar cap would prevent >this.>>Stevee>>***************>>Steve, did you install the 2" 1/16 plywood bracing strips along the top and>bottom of the root rib, and the diagonal bracing to the top and bottom cap>strips in the bay between the spars? Mine seems pretty sturdy with that, >but>>I haven't covered yet...>>Matt Paxton>>________________________________________________________________________________
At the risk of showing my ignorance which ribs are identified as "root ribs" on the 3-piece wing, the ones on the inboard of the wing panels or the ones at the outboard end???????Dave Boyd, Champaign, IL , just finishing rib #32.>From: Steve Eldredge >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com, Steve Eldredge >To: "'pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com'" , >"'Woodflier(at)aol.com'" >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib>Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 09:13:40 -0600>>>SteveE here,>>I did install the 2" x 1/16" ply and the diagonals... The problem is at >the>spar itself. two nails and a dab of glue isn't enough to hold the rib in>place. the rib is pulled outboard on top of the spar. The fix is simply >to>increase the surface area of the glue joint at each intersection of rib and>spar on both front and back spars. A small wedge of scrap to back up the>rib or a full piece between the root and the root plus one rib would do the>trick. Every where else the rib has stayed in place.>>Steve E>>-----Original Message----->From: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of>Woodflier(at)aol.com>Sent: Saturday, October 14, 2000 8:00 AM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib>>>This is the way I did it on my plane too. I would only add that if I were>to do it again, I would add a bridge strip between the root rib and the one>next to it. My fabric over the past two years has pulled the rib toward >the>tip slightly causing a slight pucker. Adding a spar cap would prevent >this.>>Stevee>>***************>>Steve, did you install the 2" 1/16 plywood bracing strips along the top and>bottom of the root rib, and the diagonal bracing to the top and bottom cap>strips in the bay between the spars? Mine seems pretty sturdy with that, >but>>I haven't covered yet...>>Matt Paxton>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: del magsam
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root RibIn a message dated 10/16/00 8:17:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve(at)byu.edu writes:>Mine did the very same thing on the one block I for got to install. Thx Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root RibIn a message dated 10/16/00 8:17:38 AM Pacific Daylight Time, steve(at)byu.edu writes:>Mine did the very same thing on the one block I for got to install. Thx Doug Bryant ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2000 17:46:03 -0700 (PDT)
FW: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Root Rib
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