Original Posted By: "Rodger & Betty Childs"
"Homer Simpson" Hello,I am considering building a plane, and the peitenpol looks like it would fulfill most of my needs. I have a few questions that I have not been able to find answers to and I was hoping this list could provide them to me. 1.) About how many hours will it take to build? 2.) How much faster does it go together with the replicraft quick-build kit? 3.)What is the approximate cost? Can it be done under $5000? 4.) I understand that this plane can be built either from wood or tubing, what are the pro's and con's of each method? Any opinions or suggestions will be appreciated.Thanks,Homer________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Size
Original Posted By: del magsam
"Rodger & Betty Childs" Tony,Get the Pietenpol plans from Don Pietenpol (son of Bernard) or OrrinHoopman (original draftsman of the plans) and using any ol' scrap woodmake a mockup of the cockpit area to check for size limitations.Then move the instrument panel area to what is a more comfortabledistance from you when you are seated in the mockup.Add 2 to 3" to the width of the cockpit mock up for ease of fit. In thefinalanalasis, the fuselage cross braces will need to be increase appropriatly.Determine where the rudder bar or pedals, and joy stick will need to berelocated to suit you.Raise the turtle deck at the seat back about 2" and likewise the instrumentpanel.Strongly consider making the Piet a single seater as a passenger wouldhave to weigh 100 lbs or less.Consider using a Corvair engine for a power plant as it gives morehorsepower than the Ford Model A does. The Corvair valve coversshould fit within the widened fuselage sides making for a neat enginenacell.At your weight consider moving the seat back and seat forward 4" for moreproper weight and balance. This will keep you from having to move the wingback 4" or so with the attendant rearward slant to the cabanes.Mockup the cabane struts and wing center section to see if you will beable to get in the cockpit, and more importantly, what will be the clearancefrom the bottom of the wing to your head when seated. Most people whoare more vertically challenged than you raise the wing and attendant cabanestruts by 2" to aid in getting in the cockpit. You may find 3" is a betteramount to raise the wing by.Definately consider using a hinged section aft of the rear spar to allowease of entry to the cockpit. Hinged area would extend from the 1st ribto the right of center line to the second rib to the left of center line.Mockupthe hinged area too to check if it needs to extend to the left any more.Increase the height of the cutouts in the forward cockpit seat back to clearyour shins. As it is now, with a 6 ft tall pilot, his shins will touch thetop ofthe cutout.Even if you decide finally not to go with a Piet, the above exercise will bevery interesting and keep us posted on progress of the mockup and, ofcourse, your very own Piet.Good luck.Rodger ChildsOne piece winged Piet in progress________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
"Rodger & Betty Childs" Tony,Get the Pietenpol plans from Don Pietenpol (son of Bernard) or OrrinHoopman (original draftsman of the plans) and using any ol' scrap woodmake a mockup of the cockpit area to check for size limitations.Then move the instrument panel area to what is a more comfortabledistance from you when you are seated in the mockup.Add 2 to 3" to the width of the cockpit mock up for ease of fit. In thefinalanalasis, the fuselage cross braces will need to be increase appropriatly.Determine where the rudder bar or pedals, and joy stick will need to berelocated to suit you.Raise the turtle deck at the seat back about 2" and likewise the instrumentpanel.Strongly consider making the Piet a single seater as a passenger wouldhave to weigh 100 lbs or less.Consider using a Corvair engine for a power plant as it gives morehorsepower than the Ford Model A does. The Corvair valve coversshould fit within the widened fuselage sides making for a neat enginenacell.At your weight consider moving the seat back and seat forward 4" for moreproper weight and balance. This will keep you from having to move the wingback 4" or so with the attendant rearward slant to the cabanes.Mockup the cabane struts and wing center section to see if you will beable to get in the cockpit, and more importantly, what will be the clearancefrom the bottom of the wing to your head when seated. Most people whoare more vertically challenged than you raise the wing and attendant cabanestruts by 2" to aid in getting in the cockpit. You may find 3" is a betteramount to raise the wing by.Definately consider using a hinged section aft of the rear spar to allowease of entry to the cockpit. Hinged area would extend from the 1st ribto the right of center line to the second rib to the left of center line.Mockupthe hinged area too to check if it needs to extend to the left any more.Increase the height of the cutouts in the forward cockpit seat back to clearyour shins. As it is now, with a 6 ft tall pilot, his shins will touch thetop ofthe cutout.Even if you decide finally not to go with a Piet, the above exercise will bevery interesting and keep us posted on progress of the mockup and, ofcourse, your very own Piet.Good luck.Rodger ChildsOne piece winged Piet in progress________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2000 18:30:39 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Homer,,, Wood,,,, It's lighter,,, it's pretty,,, it's easy to work with,,and unless you are a master at pushing and filling the puddle,,, wood.you'll get plenty of welding and metal work just in the controls and gear,and motormount. wood homer,, woodCarl-----Original Message-----
Homer,,, Wood,,,, It's lighter,,, it's pretty,,, it's easy to work with,,and unless you are a master at pushing and filling the puddle,,, wood.you'll get plenty of welding and metal work just in the controls and gear,and motormount. wood homer,, woodCarl-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Original Posted By: Dave and Connie
"Homer Simpson"
"Homer Simpson"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Size
Original Posted By: Tony Weeks
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cockpit Size
RE: Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Original Posted By: "Conoly"
"Homer Simpson" Thanks for the answers everyone. It seems that most everyone favors wood over metal. I was kind of favoring the metal. I think I would feel safer in a plane I welded together than one I glued together, but maybe that is just because I have much more metal working experience. I would really like something faster (and aerobatic), but as I am still a few years from graduating college (Aerospace Engineering) it has to be cheap. Anyway, a couple more general questions and then I'll shut up. Other than being a taildragger, is the Pietenpol more difficult to fly than the C152 I am training in? Does it fly very well with two people in it?Thanks again,HomerBTW, am I the only one getting double messages? Did I do something wrong when signing up or is this a common problem?________________________________________________________________________________
"Homer Simpson" Thanks for the answers everyone. It seems that most everyone favors wood over metal. I was kind of favoring the metal. I think I would feel safer in a plane I welded together than one I glued together, but maybe that is just because I have much more metal working experience. I would really like something faster (and aerobatic), but as I am still a few years from graduating college (Aerospace Engineering) it has to be cheap. Anyway, a couple more general questions and then I'll shut up. Other than being a taildragger, is the Pietenpol more difficult to fly than the C152 I am training in? Does it fly very well with two people in it?Thanks again,HomerBTW, am I the only one getting double messages? Did I do something wrong when signing up or is this a common problem?________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Original Posted By: "del magsam"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: build time and cost
Original Posted By: John E Fay
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