Original Posted By: "Ignitor"
Thanks for all the replies. A long machine screw thru the brace sounds strong as an ox. Thanks again guys.Rod W.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Horizontal stabilizer
Re: Pietenpol-List: A little help
Original Posted By: Don Mosher
Alright, all this discussion on DAR's vs. Federalies forces me to come outof lurkdum and throw another spanner at the machine....But first, since I'm gonna do this, I figure I better introduce myself abit....Back about 22 years ago, I was a in A&P school and helped a teacher build aGN-1. I fell in love with the plane and knew I would someday have one of myown. I started collecting everything Pietenpol and throwing it in an oldfile cabinet. Through the years, I built a Dragonfly and an RV-4 with mybrother. On top of that, I think I helped build another 10 or 12 planes withfriends. Then one day my Sport Aviation arrived, and inside was Mr. Cuy'sPiet. The stars aligned, the moon was in phase and the tides rose. I spentthe next three days in a mad flurry of ordering plans, finding a wood sourceand buying hand saws. That was the beginning of when I would be able to sayI'VE got a Piet. (It may not be flying it yet, but....). Since then, I havethe fuselage boxed up and am working on the turtledeck, my tail feathers areready for hinges and cover, the ribs are about to be gettin' glued up andI'm thinking of motors that can endure Arizona summers and densityaltitudes. Thank you, Mr. Cuy for making me FINALLY get of my lazy behindand inspiring me to reach for the brass.....I'm an A&P and IA by trade, and spent many years in general aviation workingon everything from Cubs to Gulfstreams. Most of the time I was a Director ofMaintenance or Chief Inspector at the FBO's or charter airlines. In '89 Iwent to work for one of the Majors, and ended up running the QualityAssurance department. Unlike Quality Control, which does the actual physicalinspecting, I was the direct liaison with the FAA. I was also in charge ofthe technical documentation and the paperwork issues with aircraftacquisitions. I think I probably have imported, exported or inducted 150aircraft into or out of the various airlines, operators and leasingcompanies from all over the world - 727's, 737's, 747's, 757's, Learjets,421's, etc. I used both DAR's and the FAA extensively to get Cof A's forthese planes. Throughout this time I developed a lot of good relationshipswith a lot of different FAA inspectors. I count many of them as my friends.We fly together, we drink beer together and we talk airplanes. And then,there's the ones I won't mention.....When my buddy with an RV-4 was having trouble with getting someone out toinspect his airplane, and it ended up being one of my Federal servantfriends that came out to sign him off, a light went off in my head and Isaid to myself, "Self...why don't you go get yer DAR and then you can dothis for all the guys and gals building at ol' Falcon Field? Hell, you gotall this regulatory background, can argue regs with the best of them, andyou got both lightplane and heavy 'speriance". Well, I call up the FAA andI tell 'em what I want to do.......and here it gets ugly. Get out your pensand paper and get ready to write your Senator, EAA Prez or politicallycorrupt public servant.......DAR's come in many types, but the one that concerns us is the one that canissue a Certificate of Airworthiness. Now, DAR's are issued theircertificate based on their experience. Some can issue C of A's forlightplanes and homebuilts, some can only issue C of A's for heavies, somecan do both and some can only do aircraft parts. There are many levels andtypes of DAR's beyond these. BUT, the local FAA offices ALL have someonethat can issue a C of A. It's part of there scope and duty. They'll tell yait has to be a MIDO, but don't believe 'em, it ain't true.When I asked to get mine, I was told I would have to go to the WesternPacific Region office, because the number of DAR's was limited. The Regionreferred me back to my FSDO. The FSDO told me that they were "full up" andthey wouldn't be issuing any anytime soon, but I was top on the list. SeemsDAR's are controlled by the local office....hmmmm. Two months later, anAVIONICS inspector retires and is granted a DAR. This guy knows squat aboutanything but Narco or King, yet his 20 years chasing sparks for Uncle Sam inthe U.S. Air Force and another 20 chasing sparks through his desk phone atthe local FSDO qualified him to determine AIRWORTHINESS. The FAA definesairworthiness as 'being in a condition for safe flight and conforming toit's Type Design'. Since homebuilts don't have a 'Type Design' or are issueda Type Certificate, it must be in a condition for safe flight and meet theother criteria outlined in certain Advisoy Circulars mentioned in previousposts.My point is that this cat doesn't know an aileron from an elevator andhe is going to determine "Airworthiness". Meanwhile, one of the DAR's herein Phoenix gives up his certificate, another (who lives in Seattle and hasfor the last 12 years and claims he still is geographically in Phoenix)gives his up, and I'm still told that "we're full up". Seems there's twomore local Feds getting ready to retire. See, when you're double dipping thesystem, one from the military, then catching another bucket of green fromthe FAA, you just gotta get out there and screw that homebuilder for 400bucks to pay for the Viagra. Meanwhile, there's folks lined up trying to gettheir planes flying and the guy in Tucson still wants way too much cash. Thecouple of guys in Phoenix who can do it are too afraid of the liability andwon't do it. Well, there's always an excuse why they can't, but it's easy toread between the lines. Bitter? Not me. Just tired of the fight. I gotairplanes to fly and to build.So...what do we do? I think the best course is the EAA counselor idea.Sorry for the long winded recital, but I run in to this issue constantly atmy airport too, and it seems like most folks don't quite understand how itall works.Chris HouseJack of all trades, Master of none (and looking forward to Corky's take
)It must be the heat.....105 today!----- Original Message -----
Alright, all this discussion on DAR's vs. Federalies forces me to come outof lurkdum and throw another spanner at the machine....But first, since I'm gonna do this, I figure I better introduce myself abit....Back about 22 years ago, I was a in A&P school and helped a teacher build aGN-1. I fell in love with the plane and knew I would someday have one of myown. I started collecting everything Pietenpol and throwing it in an oldfile cabinet. Through the years, I built a Dragonfly and an RV-4 with mybrother. On top of that, I think I helped build another 10 or 12 planes withfriends. Then one day my Sport Aviation arrived, and inside was Mr. Cuy'sPiet. The stars aligned, the moon was in phase and the tides rose. I spentthe next three days in a mad flurry of ordering plans, finding a wood sourceand buying hand saws. That was the beginning of when I would be able to sayI'VE got a Piet. (It may not be flying it yet, but....). Since then, I havethe fuselage boxed up and am working on the turtledeck, my tail feathers areready for hinges and cover, the ribs are about to be gettin' glued up andI'm thinking of motors that can endure Arizona summers and densityaltitudes. Thank you, Mr. Cuy for making me FINALLY get of my lazy behindand inspiring me to reach for the brass.....I'm an A&P and IA by trade, and spent many years in general aviation workingon everything from Cubs to Gulfstreams. Most of the time I was a Director ofMaintenance or Chief Inspector at the FBO's or charter airlines. In '89 Iwent to work for one of the Majors, and ended up running the QualityAssurance department. Unlike Quality Control, which does the actual physicalinspecting, I was the direct liaison with the FAA. I was also in charge ofthe technical documentation and the paperwork issues with aircraftacquisitions. I think I probably have imported, exported or inducted 150aircraft into or out of the various airlines, operators and leasingcompanies from all over the world - 727's, 737's, 747's, 757's, Learjets,421's, etc. I used both DAR's and the FAA extensively to get Cof A's forthese planes. Throughout this time I developed a lot of good relationshipswith a lot of different FAA inspectors. I count many of them as my friends.We fly together, we drink beer together and we talk airplanes. And then,there's the ones I won't mention.....When my buddy with an RV-4 was having trouble with getting someone out toinspect his airplane, and it ended up being one of my Federal servantfriends that came out to sign him off, a light went off in my head and Isaid to myself, "Self...why don't you go get yer DAR and then you can dothis for all the guys and gals building at ol' Falcon Field? Hell, you gotall this regulatory background, can argue regs with the best of them, andyou got both lightplane and heavy 'speriance". Well, I call up the FAA andI tell 'em what I want to do.......and here it gets ugly. Get out your pensand paper and get ready to write your Senator, EAA Prez or politicallycorrupt public servant.......DAR's come in many types, but the one that concerns us is the one that canissue a Certificate of Airworthiness. Now, DAR's are issued theircertificate based on their experience. Some can issue C of A's forlightplanes and homebuilts, some can only issue C of A's for heavies, somecan do both and some can only do aircraft parts. There are many levels andtypes of DAR's beyond these. BUT, the local FAA offices ALL have someonethat can issue a C of A. It's part of there scope and duty. They'll tell yait has to be a MIDO, but don't believe 'em, it ain't true.When I asked to get mine, I was told I would have to go to the WesternPacific Region office, because the number of DAR's was limited. The Regionreferred me back to my FSDO. The FSDO told me that they were "full up" andthey wouldn't be issuing any anytime soon, but I was top on the list. SeemsDAR's are controlled by the local office....hmmmm. Two months later, anAVIONICS inspector retires and is granted a DAR. This guy knows squat aboutanything but Narco or King, yet his 20 years chasing sparks for Uncle Sam inthe U.S. Air Force and another 20 chasing sparks through his desk phone atthe local FSDO qualified him to determine AIRWORTHINESS. The FAA definesairworthiness as 'being in a condition for safe flight and conforming toit's Type Design'. Since homebuilts don't have a 'Type Design' or are issueda Type Certificate, it must be in a condition for safe flight and meet theother criteria outlined in certain Advisoy Circulars mentioned in previousposts.My point is that this cat doesn't know an aileron from an elevator andhe is going to determine "Airworthiness". Meanwhile, one of the DAR's herein Phoenix gives up his certificate, another (who lives in Seattle and hasfor the last 12 years and claims he still is geographically in Phoenix)gives his up, and I'm still told that "we're full up". Seems there's twomore local Feds getting ready to retire. See, when you're double dipping thesystem, one from the military, then catching another bucket of green fromthe FAA, you just gotta get out there and screw that homebuilder for 400bucks to pay for the Viagra. Meanwhile, there's folks lined up trying to gettheir planes flying and the guy in Tucson still wants way too much cash. Thecouple of guys in Phoenix who can do it are too afraid of the liability andwon't do it. Well, there's always an excuse why they can't, but it's easy toread between the lines. Bitter? Not me. Just tired of the fight. I gotairplanes to fly and to build.So...what do we do? I think the best course is the EAA counselor idea.Sorry for the long winded recital, but I run in to this issue constantly atmy airport too, and it seems like most folks don't quite understand how itall works.Chris HouseJack of all trades, Master of none (and looking forward to Corky's take
)It must be the heat.....105 today!----- Original Message -----Re: Pietenpol-List: A little help
Original Posted By: "Don Mosher"
I forward off of many lists, items I think Earl needs to see! You arecorrect about Earl.Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.orgorexperimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----
I forward off of many lists, items I think Earl needs to see! You arecorrect about Earl.Cy GalleyEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.orgorexperimenter(at)eaa.org----- Original Message -----