Original Posted By: "Hubbard, Eugene"
I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric. drill all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizers and then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show above the fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the fabric under the washers?? Ed G.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: Ed Grentzer [mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]
I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" If Iwere doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric and both thebolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with the corners ofeach, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit of fabric.Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't makemuch difference. I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizes theamount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mount thehardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessable connectionspossible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspect themounting without removing any fabric.Gene -----Original Message-----
I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" If Iwere doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric and both thebolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with the corners ofeach, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit of fabric.Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't makemuch difference. I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizes theamount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mount thehardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessable connectionspossible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspect themounting without removing any fabric.Gene -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: "Hubbard, Eugene"
Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardwareunder the fabric, why bother?In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is much easierthan both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardwareunder the fabric, why bother?In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is much easierthan both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, OshkoshEditor, EAA Safety Programscgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.orgAlways looking for articles for the Experimenter----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: Gary Gower
> Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Well.....the dotted lines in the plans look like the fittings are supposed to be under the fabric and I just thought it would look cleanerwithout the extra hardware hanging out. If it's more common to have them external for maintenance and inspection reasons maybe thats the way to go. ?? Edfrom: "Cy Galley" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:19:07 -0600>>>Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardware>under the fabric, why bother?>>In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is much easier>than both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.>>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh>>Editor, EAA Safety Programs>cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org>>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter>>----- Original Message ----->From: "Hubbard, Eugene" >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" If I>were doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric and both >the>bolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with the corners >of>each, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit of fabric.>Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't >make>much difference.>>I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizes the>amount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mount the>hardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessable connections>possible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspect the>mounting without removing any fabric.>>Gene>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed Grentzer [mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>> I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my>fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric. drill>all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizers and>then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show above the>fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the>fabric under the washers?? Ed G.>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: 8 Feb 2002 10:31:30 -0800
Well.....the dotted lines in the plans look like the fittings are supposed to be under the fabric and I just thought it would look cleanerwithout the extra hardware hanging out. If it's more common to have them external for maintenance and inspection reasons maybe thats the way to go. ?? Edfrom: "Cy Galley" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 11:19:07 -0600>>>Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardware>under the fabric, why bother?>>In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is much easier>than both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.>>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh>>Editor, EAA Safety Programs>cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org>>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter>>----- Original Message ----->From: "Hubbard, Eugene" >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" If I>were doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric and both >the>bolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with the corners >of>each, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit of fabric.>Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't >make>much difference.>>I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizes the>amount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mount the>hardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessable connections>possible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspect the>mounting without removing any fabric.>>Gene>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed Grentzer [mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>> I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my>fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric. drill>all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizers and>then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show above the>fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the>fabric under the washers?? Ed G.>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: 8 Feb 2002 10:31:30 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: Fisherman Caye
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittingsIn a message dated 2/8/02 7:55:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com writes:> >> > > I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my > fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric. drill > all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizers and > then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show above the > fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the > fabric under the washers?? Ed G.> > > Ed,I do them per the plans with the 3/16 inch dia iron rivet. Only the tab protudes thru the fabric. Works well . Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________Date: 8 Feb 2002 16:54:11 -0800
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittingsIn a message dated 2/8/02 7:55:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com writes:> >> > > I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my > fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric. drill > all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizers and > then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show above the > fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the > fabric under the washers?? Ed G.> > > Ed,I do them per the plans with the 3/16 inch dia iron rivet. Only the tab protudes thru the fabric. Works well . Doug Bryant________________________________________________________________________________Date: 8 Feb 2002 16:54:11 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper plane
Original Posted By: "Mark"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper planeIn a message dated 2/8/02 1:27:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, cayecaulker(at)justice.com writes:>Looks like a typo, was supposed to be (I think) 175 lbs and got typoed (error between fingers and keys) to 175 ls, not 1751s . VERY subtle difference________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper planeIn a message dated 2/8/02 1:27:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, cayecaulker(at)justice.com writes:>Looks like a typo, was supposed to be (I think) 175 lbs and got typoed (error between fingers and keys) to 175 ls, not 1751s . VERY subtle difference________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: alexms1(at)comcast.net
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittingsHey, Group! Thank you, Ed for your response. After I sent the question to the group, I discovered that BHP used 16 gauge steel on the Skyscout, so the .080should be plenty strong. I'd like to add my best wishes to Jack after his incident.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittingsHey, Group! Thank you, Ed for your response. After I sent the question to the group, I discovered that BHP used 16 gauge steel on the Skyscout, so the .080should be plenty strong. I'd like to add my best wishes to Jack after his incident.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
Original Posted By: "D.Dale Johnson"
>>>Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardware>under the fabric, why bother?>>In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is mucheasier>than both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.>>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh>>Editor, EAA Safety Programs>cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org>>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter>>----- Original Message ----->From: "Hubbard, Eugene" >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" IfI>were doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric andboth >the>bolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with thecorners >of>each, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit offabric.>Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't>make>much difference.>>I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizesthe>amount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mountthe>hardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessableconnections>possible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspectthe>mounting without removing any fabric.>>Gene>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed Grentzer [mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>> I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my>fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric.drill>all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizersand>then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show abovethe>fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the>fabric under the washers?? Ed G.>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com===http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list=________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:01:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings
>>>Since you aren't going to increase the airspeed by putting the hardware>under the fabric, why bother?>>In addition, sealing the one bolt hole under your bracket is mucheasier>than both the bolt hole and the bracket hole.>>Cy Galley, TC - Chair, Emergency Aircraft Repair, Oshkosh>>Editor, EAA Safety Programs>cgalley(at)qcbc.org or experimenter(at)eaa.org>>Always looking for articles for the Experimenter>>----- Original Message ----->From: "Hubbard, Eugene" >To: >Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>I think the answer to crushing the fabric is "yes" and "who cares?" IfI>were doing it that way, I would put a washer between the fabric andboth >the>bolt head and the nut to keep from chewing up the fabric with thecorners >of>each, and I would expect the washers to cookie-cutter out a bit offabric.>Since the fabric is well supported around the washer, the hole wouldn't>make>much difference.>>I don't see anything wrong with that mounting approach--it minimizesthe>amount of exposed hardware. On the other hand, I'm planning to mountthe>hardware externally to the fabric to keep as few inaccessableconnections>possible. I like the idea that I can, at least in principle, inspectthe>mounting without removing any fabric.>>Gene>>-----Original Message----->From: Ed Grentzer [mailto:flyboy_120(at)hotmail.com]>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings>>>>>> I'm fixing to fitt up my tail wire fittings, I would like to put my>fittings in under the fabric, even with the underside of the fabric.drill>all the holes, epoxy the fittings in place, then cover the stabilizersand>then put in the bolts so that only the boltheads and nuts show abovethe>fabric. Is this acceptable or will the pressure of the bolts crush the>fabric under the washers?? Ed G.>>Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com===http://www.matronics.com/browselist/pietenpol-list=________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 17:01:40 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wire fittings