Original Posted By: Greg Cardinal
Congratulations to Duane! They will be having fun in Provo now! Steve, Iwill be back in Salt Lake City all next week, so I'll make myself availableevenings if you want some more help finishing yours. Mike List________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
Pieters,I have been following the discussion about the first flight on the list and wouldlike to offer the following for discussion.Tom Wallis, the guy that did the first flight on my Piet has been a professionalengineering test pilot for over 30 years. He has over 11,000 hours of testflights, worked over 16 years for Cessna, has done "known icing" flights for Marchattiin Italy, did the initial flights and testing of the two recent SikorskyS-38 reproductions noted in "Sport Aviation" and other publications and hastested more than 115 different types. As a good friend, he also helped in thebuilding of my Piet. (along with many others)We had much discussion about test flying, and when I suggested that ground testsincluding testing at a fast taxi up to take off speed could be more of a hazardto the plane (and pilot) than the results were worth, he agreed. The thoughtis that although taxi tests to check ground handling and brakes are important,running up and down the runway at ever higher speeds simply subject the planeto a greater hazard of an accident. If the plane has the proper center ofgravity, the control throws are set properly, run up is good, one should simplyfeed throttle and go. It's better to explore controllability up away fromthe earth than be on the ground at high speed. "After all, an accident doesn'thappen until you hit the ground!"What do you think?John Dilatush, NX114DSalida, Colorado.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:25:22 -0400
Pieters,I have been following the discussion about the first flight on the list and wouldlike to offer the following for discussion.Tom Wallis, the guy that did the first flight on my Piet has been a professionalengineering test pilot for over 30 years. He has over 11,000 hours of testflights, worked over 16 years for Cessna, has done "known icing" flights for Marchattiin Italy, did the initial flights and testing of the two recent SikorskyS-38 reproductions noted in "Sport Aviation" and other publications and hastested more than 115 different types. As a good friend, he also helped in thebuilding of my Piet. (along with many others)We had much discussion about test flying, and when I suggested that ground testsincluding testing at a fast taxi up to take off speed could be more of a hazardto the plane (and pilot) than the results were worth, he agreed. The thoughtis that although taxi tests to check ground handling and brakes are important,running up and down the runway at ever higher speeds simply subject the planeto a greater hazard of an accident. If the plane has the proper center ofgravity, the control throws are set properly, run up is good, one should simplyfeed throttle and go. It's better to explore controllability up away fromthe earth than be on the ground at high speed. "After all, an accident doesn'thappen until you hit the ground!"What do you think?John Dilatush, NX114DSalida, Colorado.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2002 11:25:22 -0400
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
On Saturday 26 July 2003 Pietenpol N23TX finally took to the sky.This thing is so different from an RV it's almost shocking!First flight was about 15 minutes - It flew OK I guess but was out of rig so Ididn't try any slow flight/stalls.Lesson learned ...shrinking the ceconite really can twist those flying surfaces!Shortened the right rear strut .4 inches and raised the HS leading edges by adjustingthe brace wires.Yesterday, with the re-rigging complete it went back up and we had a ball justbuzzing around all over the Taylor Texas skies!Luke Skiles flew chase for me with his Heath Parasol so I have a witness that thisPiet actually does 90+ mph. (It sure doesn't like it though - feels like itneeds boosted controls at that speed!)Stalls are sub 40 only I was too nervous to try to watch gauges too closely.At 1750 rpm and 70-75 indicated it's just a joy to fly around in! It's about like looking out of a helicopter only much neater sounding!I just flew around until the sinking gas gage said it was time to go back to MachoGrande Field.Despite my ham-handed techniques, it lands very nicely. (3 landings now and onlywent off in the weeds once)Another lesson learned... Don't wear your good baseball cap in an open cockpitplane! My favorite one is going to wind up in some cow's hay bale lunch!Just ordered a cloth helmet and goggles today. My hair hurts
!!!Everybody just keep sawing and gluing. It is really worth the effort to fly sucha unique airplane!Brodhead next year????Regards,Bob SeibertNX23TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:38:19 -0400
On Saturday 26 July 2003 Pietenpol N23TX finally took to the sky.This thing is so different from an RV it's almost shocking!First flight was about 15 minutes - It flew OK I guess but was out of rig so Ididn't try any slow flight/stalls.Lesson learned ...shrinking the ceconite really can twist those flying surfaces!Shortened the right rear strut .4 inches and raised the HS leading edges by adjustingthe brace wires.Yesterday, with the re-rigging complete it went back up and we had a ball justbuzzing around all over the Taylor Texas skies!Luke Skiles flew chase for me with his Heath Parasol so I have a witness that thisPiet actually does 90+ mph. (It sure doesn't like it though - feels like itneeds boosted controls at that speed!)Stalls are sub 40 only I was too nervous to try to watch gauges too closely.At 1750 rpm and 70-75 indicated it's just a joy to fly around in! It's about like looking out of a helicopter only much neater sounding!I just flew around until the sinking gas gage said it was time to go back to MachoGrande Field.Despite my ham-handed techniques, it lands very nicely. (3 landings now and onlywent off in the weeds once)Another lesson learned... Don't wear your good baseball cap in an open cockpitplane! My favorite one is going to wind up in some cow's hay bale lunch!Just ordered a cloth helmet and goggles today. My hair hurts
!!!Everybody just keep sawing and gluing. It is really worth the effort to fly sucha unique airplane!Brodhead next year????Regards,Bob SeibertNX23TX________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2003 18:38:19 -0400Pietenpol-List: Re:First Flight
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Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Richard Navratil"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightLarry,I'm going to assume you are current in small taildraggers or will get a check-out before flying the Piet. From your comments that you learned in a ChampI'll assume if you're not current it would come back quickly. For Pietenpol specific advice, check the archives of the list. Corky's test pilot, a Mr. Edwin Johnson (I hope I've spelled that correctly,) wrote a detailed flying evaluation of 41CC a while ago. I'd put in my two cents but seeing as the plans are still in the closet and I haven't started construction yet, it woulnnot be worth the electrons it took to transmit.Steve________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightLarry,I'm going to assume you are current in small taildraggers or will get a check-out before flying the Piet. From your comments that you learned in a ChampI'll assume if you're not current it would come back quickly. For Pietenpol specific advice, check the archives of the list. Corky's test pilot, a Mr. Edwin Johnson (I hope I've spelled that correctly,) wrote a detailed flying evaluation of 41CC a while ago. I'd put in my two cents but seeing as the plans are still in the closet and I haven't started construction yet, it woulnnot be worth the electrons it took to transmit.Steve________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Still trying to figure out corvair troubles
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightBob,Congratulations!!!! Pictures please. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Still trying to figure out corvair troublesDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:36:48 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First FlightBob,Congratulations!!!! Pictures please. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Still trying to figure out corvair troublesDate: Tue, 26 Jun 2007 13:36:48 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Still trying to figure out corvair troubles
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Gene,Well done! Hope they all go well.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australia-----Original Message-----
Gene,Well done! Hope they all go well.CheersPeterWonthaggi Australia-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Have to share my morning
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Hey Walt,I wish my morning flight was as enjoyable as yours looked. It was so rough onmine I thought I was going to puke! What is that thing mounted on your cabaneand diagonal strut? Isn't that 'golden hour' in the early, early morning thebest time?!Don E. in windy, bumpy OhioRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hey Walt,I wish my morning flight was as enjoyable as yours looked. It was so rough onmine I thought I was going to puke! What is that thing mounted on your cabaneand diagonal strut? Isn't that 'golden hour' in the early, early morning thebest time?!Don E. in windy, bumpy OhioRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Rob Stapleton, Jr."
Gene, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Gene, CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: Pastor M F Townsley
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Gene Hubbard"
Good goin Gene. How about posting a pic or two.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Good goin Gene. How about posting a pic or two.Dick N.----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Steve Ruse"
Gene; wonderful news! Another low and slow airplane takes to the air... alwaysgreat news.Having not flown in quite some time when I got my checkout in 41CC, my instructorstarted me making approaches at 65-70 MPH... just a little down from cruisespeed... until I could judge the sink rate when the power came off. It resultsin lots of float and pucker, but don't get the airplane too slow until youget a good feel for how it acts with power off.Mike Cuy's and Don Emch's recommendations on airspeeds are right on, and I quote:"My numbers on final are exactly what Don Emch quoted in carrying 60 mph onfinal gives some time in the flare float and is helpful on windy days when thegusts can go to a lull and that extra few mph helps not to 'drop out' if youget behind trees that shield the wind or just hit a lull. 55 mph is the sweet spot for my Piet giving enough time to feel for the runwaybut not enough to contemplate lifeand 50 gives you no grace, no second chances, no call from governor, or no kitchenpass from embarrassing touchdowns but if executed properly yields a very shortlanding roll."Having just flown 41CC in some 15 gusting to 20 winds with a bit of a crosswind,I can heartily endorse the above numbers. Now go and do the same!!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Gene; wonderful news! Another low and slow airplane takes to the air... alwaysgreat news.Having not flown in quite some time when I got my checkout in 41CC, my instructorstarted me making approaches at 65-70 MPH... just a little down from cruisespeed... until I could judge the sink rate when the power came off. It resultsin lots of float and pucker, but don't get the airplane too slow until youget a good feel for how it acts with power off.Mike Cuy's and Don Emch's recommendations on airspeeds are right on, and I quote:"My numbers on final are exactly what Don Emch quoted in carrying 60 mph onfinal gives some time in the flare float and is helpful on windy days when thegusts can go to a lull and that extra few mph helps not to 'drop out' if youget behind trees that shield the wind or just hit a lull. 55 mph is the sweet spot for my Piet giving enough time to feel for the runwaybut not enough to contemplate lifeand 50 gives you no grace, no second chances, no call from governor, or no kitchenpass from embarrassing touchdowns but if executed properly yields a very shortlanding roll."Having just flown 41CC in some 15 gusting to 20 winds with a bit of a crosswind,I can heartily endorse the above numbers. Now go and do the same!!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
GeneCongratulations!!I hope to be there sometime later this yearDon Lane________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightDate: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:25:21 -0400
GeneCongratulations!!I hope to be there sometime later this yearDon Lane________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First FlightDate: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 07:25:21 -0400
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Not sure I follow what you mean Jim. What is the technicality? Time? Just curious.Technically, they should not have sent me cracked wood. Ha ha! dfwplt wrote:> Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they have.----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Not sure I follow what you mean Jim. What is the technicality? Time? Just curious.Technically, they should not have sent me cracked wood. Ha ha! dfwplt wrote:> Technically they probably should not have done that but in fact....they have.----------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Congratulations Mark! That's the kind of results I have had with them each time there's been a problem (not often).Gene in Rainy Tennessee> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Checked by AVG - www.avg.com05:52:00________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Congratulations Mark! That's the kind of results I have had with them each time there's been a problem (not often).Gene in Rainy Tennessee> >>>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Checked by AVG - www.avg.com05:52:00________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Hey, wait a minute Kevin... come baaaack!That is a nice looking bird!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:51:37 -0500
Hey, wait a minute Kevin... come baaaack!That is a nice looking bird!--------Mark - working on wingsRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 20:51:37 -0500
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Beautiful airplane, Kevin! How does she fly?Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Beautiful airplane, Kevin! How does she fly?Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Kevin,I recognize that powerful Corvair up front! Let us know what performance #'s youcome up with and the prop you used...She's certainly a beauty and I doubt if you could have done a better job if youtook your time, rather than rush through it!
Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down)-----Original Message-----
Kevin,I recognize that powerful Corvair up front! Let us know what performance #'s youcome up with and the prop you used...She's certainly a beauty and I doubt if you could have done a better job if youtook your time, rather than rush through it!
Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(15 ribs down)-----Original Message-----Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Roger, Niner-Niner Kilo Papa-! You sure did learn somegood lessons from Frank's and Don's airplanes. I'mcurious as to whether your Corvair has a nitrided crankin it. That metal prop out there puts a little bit moreload on it than a wooden one does, I think.Very pretty airplane; now we need performance numbers!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Roger, Niner-Niner Kilo Papa-! You sure did learn somegood lessons from Frank's and Don's airplanes. I'mcurious as to whether your Corvair has a nitrided crankin it. That metal prop out there puts a little bit moreload on it than a wooden one does, I think.Very pretty airplane; now we need performance numbers!Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, specificallyabout the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I will.Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to Ryan:Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out how topost them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the ones thatgive construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is send themto the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource. Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:- I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from meso we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. MostlyI used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire wall usedas tabs to attach the sheet metal.- Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people at workso I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it for meat work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the pros. Therest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece made for verytidy seams on the bottom.- We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not worryingabout having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.- I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away until theeyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.- Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. Again,I'll try to figure out the picture thing.KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Ryan Mueller sent a nice e-mail and suggested I share more details, specificallyabout the cowl. As I figure out the picture posting thing I will.Anyway, for those interested in the corvair cowl this is what I sent to Ryan:Hi Ryan - Thanks for the kind words.I've got more pictures of the cowl than you want. I'll try to figure out how topost them on the list for others. Regardless, I'll send some of the ones thatgive construction details to you. The other thing I need to do is send themto the west coast piet guy. That's been an invaluable resource. Here's how it went, and it came out okay pretty much by accident:- I stole shamelessly from Hans Van der Voort. He lives about an hour from meso we (there's a girl involved) looked at his cowl before starting mine. MostlyI used his attachment methods - pieces of angle attached to the fire wall usedas tabs to attach the sheet metal.- Started with the bottom plate. I have access to good sheet metal people at workso I carefully measured and marked that piece and had them bend it for meat work. Could've done it myself but it came out lots better by the pros. Therest of the metal we did by hand in the hangar. That base piece made for verytidy seams on the bottom.- We used poster board for the mock-up and cut out what was in the way, not worryingabout having it all hang out. Makes it really easy to pre-flight.- I cut out a plywood disk for the front, and then started hacking away until theeyebrow cowls were not obstructed from the front.- Used a whole bunch of pop rivets and it firmed right up. Durable so far.Hope this helps. I'll post this on the list for others with questions. Again,I'll try to figure out the picture thing.KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: shad bell
Thanks for the kind thoughts from everyone. I'll put together a "briefing" withdescriptions and pictures and so forth. In the meantime, I'd like to answersome questions. Not sure what the protocol is, but here goes:Jack Phillips - You'd be amazed at the amount of time I've spent looking at yourplane on west coast piet. Appreciate it! My machine flies nicely, very well-behaved.It's heavy (nick-named "fat bottomed girl") but takes off and climbswith enthusiasm.Jerry Dotson - Trim. Needs lots of back pressure at lower speeds. Gets betteras it gets above 75. Oscar - This is a William W. circa 2005 conversion, so yes, the crank is nitrided.Thought about the 5th bearing but will wait until the rebuild. 68" warpdrive prop from William at 7 degrees pitch. Works great so far. X-bracing -cogitated on that for a long time and then looked at Mr. Pietenpol's planes andwent with him. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs and can get in the front seat withouttoo much drama. Based on the fat airplane I've built, I can't take big peopleanyway. Everyone - what I know so far:- Empty weight 750.- It takes off good and sprightly.- I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.Probably my technique.- It stalls at some ridiculously low speed. I have to use both hands to keep thestick back to keep it stalled. Stay on top of the rudder and it just fluttersgently down- It flies happily anywhere between 50 and 95 mph (airspeed indicator not calibratedyet). 95 is a bit breezy.- Static rpm is 2650. WOT in level flight gives 2750.- It's burning about 5 gph in my lazy circles above the airfield.- The only problems with landings thus far is my technique.Anyway, I'll put together a more detailed look for everyone. Again, thanks forthe nice thoughts.KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Thanks for the kind thoughts from everyone. I'll put together a "briefing" withdescriptions and pictures and so forth. In the meantime, I'd like to answersome questions. Not sure what the protocol is, but here goes:Jack Phillips - You'd be amazed at the amount of time I've spent looking at yourplane on west coast piet. Appreciate it! My machine flies nicely, very well-behaved.It's heavy (nick-named "fat bottomed girl") but takes off and climbswith enthusiasm.Jerry Dotson - Trim. Needs lots of back pressure at lower speeds. Gets betteras it gets above 75. Oscar - This is a William W. circa 2005 conversion, so yes, the crank is nitrided.Thought about the 5th bearing but will wait until the rebuild. 68" warpdrive prop from William at 7 degrees pitch. Works great so far. X-bracing -cogitated on that for a long time and then looked at Mr. Pietenpol's planes andwent with him. I'm 5'11" and 190 lbs and can get in the front seat withouttoo much drama. Based on the fat airplane I've built, I can't take big peopleanyway. Everyone - what I know so far:- Empty weight 750.- It takes off good and sprightly.- I've tried two landings at 60 mph. Thumped them both. 65 works much better.Probably my technique.- It stalls at some ridiculously low speed. I have to use both hands to keep thestick back to keep it stalled. Stay on top of the rudder and it just fluttersgently down- It flies happily anywhere between 50 and 95 mph (airspeed indicator not calibratedyet). 95 is a bit breezy.- Static rpm is 2650. WOT in level flight gives 2750.- It's burning about 5 gph in my lazy circles above the airfield.- The only problems with landings thus far is my technique.Anyway, I'll put together a more detailed look for everyone. Again, thanks forthe nice thoughts.KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 08:18:07 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Dan Yocum"
I think it's done a lot of different ways as each plane is a little different. I don't pay much attention to my ASI. I do have a manual AOA and I pay more attention to it than I do the ASI. It's all about conditions and flying by feel and sound. Normal landing I come in fairly high and slow, cut the power, make a rather steep descent to my landing spot and just before touch-down I add about 50 rpm and a fair share of the time I can't tell when the wheels touch, in a 3 point. If I don't add power there may be a minor bounce but still not too bad (although at first I bounced it bad enough to have to go around) I would guess I'm over the fence at about 55 mph and touch down around 40mph. I suspect it's a lot about how your plane is rigged.The madness behind my style is that I strongly believe your chances of walking away from a crash is hughly increased the slower your going when you hit, so it's good practice for the day I have to set down somewhere I may not be real keen to be.Whatever the style you use, if you get to use the plane again, it must have been right.Gene N502R----- Original Message -----
I think it's done a lot of different ways as each plane is a little different. I don't pay much attention to my ASI. I do have a manual AOA and I pay more attention to it than I do the ASI. It's all about conditions and flying by feel and sound. Normal landing I come in fairly high and slow, cut the power, make a rather steep descent to my landing spot and just before touch-down I add about 50 rpm and a fair share of the time I can't tell when the wheels touch, in a 3 point. If I don't add power there may be a minor bounce but still not too bad (although at first I bounced it bad enough to have to go around) I would guess I'm over the fence at about 55 mph and touch down around 40mph. I suspect it's a lot about how your plane is rigged.The madness behind my style is that I strongly believe your chances of walking away from a crash is hughly increased the slower your going when you hit, so it's good practice for the day I have to set down somewhere I may not be real keen to be.Whatever the style you use, if you get to use the plane again, it must have been right.Gene N502R----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
Kevin,Congratulations!!!!!! There is really nothing quite like it. Several years fromnow you'll still look back and think, "huh, I really did do that, didn't I...".The more you land that thing, the better it will get. The more you fly it themore you will like it. I could go the rest of my life and never fly anythingelse and I would be perfectly happy as a pilot. The little quirks have just kindof grown on me to the point that I just really enjoy them. The ship is really beautiful. I really like the style of it (imagine that, huh?).And what's kind of funny is that you'll probably never get tired of justlooking at it.Fly safe and enjoy it!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Kevin,Congratulations!!!!!! There is really nothing quite like it. Several years fromnow you'll still look back and think, "huh, I really did do that, didn't I...".The more you land that thing, the better it will get. The more you fly it themore you will like it. I could go the rest of my life and never fly anythingelse and I would be perfectly happy as a pilot. The little quirks have just kindof grown on me to the point that I just really enjoy them. The ship is really beautiful. I really like the style of it (imagine that, huh?).And what's kind of funny is that you'll probably never get tired of justlooking at it.Fly safe and enjoy it!Don EmchNX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "kevinpurtee"
Hi Gary - I'll send you some cowl photos. I'll also post some here. I realizeothers may be interested.I did extend the engine mount. I think it was 1-2 inches. Sorry. It was a longtime ago.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Hi Gary - I'll send you some cowl photos. I'll also post some here. I realizeothers may be interested.I did extend the engine mount. I think it was 1-2 inches. Sorry. It was a longtime ago.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Michael Conkling"
Hi Don - Appreciate the nice thoughts. I look forward to photographing the twoplanes together at some point!Don't know if you remember me asking you about the lettering several months back.I ended up using stick-on vinyl for the letters on the wing - worked great.I used the vinyl as a stencil for the tail and peeled it off after painting- also worked well. When I went to get the stencils made I took pictures ofyour plane and told the guy, "Make that font, please." Take care,KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi Don - Appreciate the nice thoughts. I look forward to photographing the twoplanes together at some point!Don't know if you remember me asking you about the lettering several months back.I ended up using stick-on vinyl for the letters on the wing - worked great.I used the vinyl as a stencil for the tail and peeled it off after painting- also worked well. When I went to get the stencils made I took pictures ofyour plane and told the guy, "Make that font, please." Take care,KevinRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Niner Kilo Papa, when I heard your static and WOT RPMs forthat Corvair, I thought you were leaving quite a bit of HPon the table but it's not so. Looking at the power curvesfor the stock 110HP Corvair, at your static of 2650 RPM thegross output is 76 HP... more than my Cont. A75 ;o) And atyour WOT of 2750, the book shows 80HP. So I guess you'reentitled to drag around that extra empty weight. You listed750 as your empty weight; my airplane weighs 627 with nofuel or oil aboard.I'll bet the higher weight also contributes to the descentrate on final and the need to bring it over the fence at60 or so. I like 55 MPH in relatively calm air but Ido carry a bit more airspeed when it's windy or gusty.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Niner Kilo Papa, when I heard your static and WOT RPMs forthat Corvair, I thought you were leaving quite a bit of HPon the table but it's not so. Looking at the power curvesfor the stock 110HP Corvair, at your static of 2650 RPM thegross output is 76 HP... more than my Cont. A75 ;o) And atyour WOT of 2750, the book shows 80HP. So I guess you'reentitled to drag around that extra empty weight. You listed750 as your empty weight; my airplane weighs 627 with nofuel or oil aboard.I'll bet the higher weight also contributes to the descentrate on final and the need to bring it over the fence at60 or so. I like 55 MPH in relatively calm air but Ido carry a bit more airspeed when it's windy or gusty.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbuckles
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbucklesJack why the different cables in those locations?I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and whereJohnIn a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopressfittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get itinto the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More cables and turnbucklesJack why the different cables in those locations?I haven't gotten to the cable part yet but I am curious as to the why and whereJohnIn a message dated 9/25/2009 8:24:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips" I used 1 x 19 for drag / anti-drag wires, using thimbles and nicopressfittings. Pain in the butt to bend that stuff around a thimble and get itinto the nicopress sleeve. I used the same for the landing gear bracing(straight axle). I used 7 x 19 everywhere else.Jack PhillipsNX899JPRaleigh, NC-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: More cables and turnbuckles
Original Posted By: "K5YAC"
Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress.Gene----- Original Message -----
Mark, go to an electrical suppy store and buy yourself a split bolt. The kind electrical workers use to join two large copper wires together. That will firmly hold the cable together while you compress the nicopress.Gene----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Donald Lane"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Matthew
>Wow Gary!.......I cant even imagine how this- first flight felt. Congratulations!Regards,Rick Schreiberle, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________
>Wow Gary!.......I cant even imagine how this- first flight felt. Congratulations!Regards,Rick Schreiberle, List Admin.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.> > Way to go, Steve. I bet Vern has some good stories. Cheers, Ken> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB> >> > Well, this morning we had a small break from high winds and thunderstorms,so I was able to get my tailwheel checkout.> >> > The plane was a 1947 Aeronca 7AC Champ with no electrics (and prop and handheldradio) and 65 roaring HP.> >> > The instructor, Vern Foster (95 Years Old) has somewhere around 6000 hoursof tailwheel time. He started flying in 1939.> >> > Checkout took an hour with 8 landings. First thing he did was pull the engineat 30 feet and made me simulate a engine out landing. Then three point landingsand wheel landings. Then cross wind TO and landings. The last thing was taxiingwith the brakes on hard and the power up. This was to prepare me for landingin very high winds. He said I did well and complemented my instructor (LonnieGillespie) on doing a fine job.> >> > YA HOO!> >> > Blue Skies,> > Steve "taildragger" D.> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.> > Way to go, Steve. I bet Vern has some good stories. Cheers, Ken> > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 8:22 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB> >> > Well, this morning we had a small break from high winds and thunderstorms,so I was able to get my tailwheel checkout.> >> > The plane was a 1947 Aeronca 7AC Champ with no electrics (and prop and handheldradio) and 65 roaring HP.> >> > The instructor, Vern Foster (95 Years Old) has somewhere around 6000 hoursof tailwheel time. He started flying in 1939.> >> > Checkout took an hour with 8 landings. First thing he did was pull the engineat 30 feet and made me simulate a engine out landing. Then three point landingsand wheel landings. Then cross wind TO and landings. The last thing was taxiingwith the brakes on hard and the power up. This was to prepare me for landingin very high winds. He said I did well and complemented my instructor (LonnieGillespie) on doing a fine job.> >> > YA HOO!> >> > Blue Skies,> > Steve "taildragger" D.> >> >> >> >> > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
List,I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish toadd the following:I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, RoyRichardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it fliesbeautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was amalfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he wascruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the enginebeing a little tight, oil temp was high. More later, as I work thru some stuff.Gary BootheNX308MB
List,I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish toadd the following:I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, RoyRichardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it fliesbeautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was amalfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he wascruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the enginebeing a little tight, oil temp was high. More later, as I work thru some stuff.Gary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Congratulations Gary!Ryan Muellerrmueller23(at)gmail.comOn Aug 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> List,> > I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:> > I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.> > More later, as I work thru some stuff=85> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:36:40 +0000 (UTC)
Congratulations Gary!Ryan Muellerrmueller23(at)gmail.comOn Aug 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> List,> > I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:> > I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.> > More later, as I work thru some stuff=85> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 22:36:40 +0000 (UTC)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress tools
Original Posted By: "biplan53"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel check out.> > Steve;> > Good on ya! Maybe if you catch me when I'm down at San Geronimo before I takethe wings off of Scout, you can take 'er up!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford/Ashland, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 848#381848> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress tools
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel check out.> > Steve;> > Good on ya! Maybe if you catch me when I'm down at San Geronimo before I takethe wings off of Scout, you can take 'er up!> > --------> Oscar Zuniga> Medford/Ashland, OR> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"> A75 power> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 848#381848> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nicopress tools
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By:> Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5(at)comcast.net]
What a special day. Congratulations!!!On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> List,> > I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:> > I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.> > More later, as I work thru some stuff> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
What a special day. Congratulations!!!On Aug 25, 2012, at 4:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> List,> > I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:> > I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.> > More later, as I work thru some stuff> > Gary Boothe> NX308MB>
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Congratulations Gary. It only gets better from here!Randy BushNX294RBSent from my iPhoneOn Aug 25, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Congratulations Gary!> > Ryan Mueller> rmueller23(at)gmail.com> > > > > On Aug 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> List,>> >> I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:>> >> I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.>> >> More later, as I work thru some stuff>> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
Congratulations Gary. It only gets better from here!Randy BushNX294RBSent from my iPhoneOn Aug 25, 2012, at 5:17 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> Congratulations Gary!> > Ryan Mueller> rmueller23(at)gmail.com> > > > > On Aug 25, 2012, at 5:09 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:> >> List,>> >> I just posted this to family, and personal friends. To this list, I wish to add the following:>> >> I have not yet flown it, myself, for various reasons. Test pilot, Roy Richardson, flying a Pietenpol for the first time, reported that it flies beautifully, even hands off; this despite what we thought was a malfunctioning ASI. Since he was unsure of his airspeed (turns out he was cruising at 65mph), he tended to be a little conservative, and the engine being a little tight, oil temp was high.>> >> More later, as I work thru some stuff>> >> Gary Boothe>> NX308MB> > > ============================================================================================================================================> ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks, Randy! I have a question for you, but can=99t see your email herecan you contact me off-list? Gboothe5(at)comcast.netGary BootheNX308MB
Thanks, Randy! I have a question for you, but can=99t see your email herecan you contact me off-list? Gboothe5(at)comcast.netGary BootheNX308MB
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Darrel Jones
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Darrel Jones
Pietenpol-List: Nicopress tools
Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
Hello all,When I originally built the Pietenpol, I used a manual swaging tool - Ithink it is called a Swage-it. It is the one where you tighten some boltsto crush the sleeves. I am interested in getting a bolt-cutter styleswaging tool. The only sizes I should need to swage are 1/16, 3/32, and1/8. I see a lot of previously owned Nicopress tools on ebay. However, Ido not know how to identify the correct model number to do what I want todo. These should be relatively plentiful as they are really a telephonecompany technology. Does anybody have any information and experience onwhich model to get?Thanks!JMG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:03:52 -0500
Hello all,When I originally built the Pietenpol, I used a manual swaging tool - Ithink it is called a Swage-it. It is the one where you tighten some boltsto crush the sleeves. I am interested in getting a bolt-cutter styleswaging tool. The only sizes I should need to swage are 1/16, 3/32, and1/8. I see a lot of previously owned Nicopress tools on ebay. However, Ido not know how to identify the correct model number to do what I want todo. These should be relatively plentiful as they are really a telephonecompany technology. Does anybody have any information and experience onwhich model to get?Thanks!JMG________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 25 Aug 2012 21:03:52 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight
Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
Way to go, Gary! Nice to see another shiny new Piet take to the skies. Brodheadin 2013?--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Way to go, Gary! Nice to see another shiny new Piet take to the skies. Brodheadin 2013?--------Billy McCaskillBaker, LAtail section almost done, starting on ribs soonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.
Original Posted By: Ken Bickers
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.Vern has a great amount of aviation knowledge. He flew corporate and for the airlines.He related that the DC3/C47 was a great plane and after a 50 year breakfrom flying it, He was able to do a greaser landing on his first landing. Describing the technique of holding brakes and using power, he kept a LockheedElectra full of executives from flipping during a gust front. For 10 minutes,he held brakes, Throttled up, brought the tail up and kept the plane pinned tothe tarmac. Then he taxied to takeoff. Great guy, I am very pleased to have his name in my log book.Blue Skies,Steve ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tail wheel check out.Vern has a great amount of aviation knowledge. He flew corporate and for the airlines.He related that the DC3/C47 was a great plane and after a 50 year breakfrom flying it, He was able to do a greaser landing on his first landing. Describing the technique of holding brakes and using power, he kept a LockheedElectra full of executives from flipping during a gust front. For 10 minutes,he held brakes, Throttled up, brought the tail up and kept the plane pinned tothe tarmac. Then he taxied to takeoff. Great guy, I am very pleased to have his name in my log book.Blue Skies,Steve ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel check out.
Original Posted By: taildrags
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel check out.Be careful what you offer. I am moving back to San Antonio this week and it lookslike i have a hanger back at San Geronimo.I may get a chance to take you up on this offer. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tail wheel check out.Be careful what you offer. I am moving back to San Antonio this week and it lookslike i have a hanger back at San Geronimo.I may get a chance to take you up on this offer. Blue Skies,Steve D----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: FW: First Flight
Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
Gary,Sweet! A HUGE congratulations to you!! Woow a beautiful bird. You will go to sleep with a grin on your face!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Gary,Sweet! A HUGE congratulations to you!! Woow a beautiful bird. You will go to sleep with a grin on your face!Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: DandD Boyd
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Pietenpol-List: Re: microphone
Original Posted By: Rick Schreiber
Gardiner;Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic that theymade out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll search thearchives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this and can turnit up.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:36:44 -0500
Gardiner;Someone posted a description of an effective noise muffler for their mic that theymade out of an empty film canister with a small hole in it. I'll search thearchives for it unless someone else on the list remembers this and can turnit up.--------Oscar ZunigaMedford, ORAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 powerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2013 17:36:44 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: DandD Boyd
Congratulations Dave! Looks mighty good! Was that at Champaign IL?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Congratulations Dave! Looks mighty good! Was that at Champaign IL?Dan HelsperPuryear, TN-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: First Flight
Original Posted By: gliderx5(at)comcast.net