Original Posted By: "John Dilatush"
I can't seem to find a hardware list in the archives. I would like to know theamount and different sizes of the steel cable and the associated hardware.Thanks in advanceLynn Knoll...Wichita________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: Lynn & Doris Knoll
Lynn,If you get the answer to your question, please share it with me.ThanksAlex Sloan ----- Original Message -----
Lynn,If you get the answer to your question, please share it with me.ThanksAlex Sloan ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: Alex Sloan
Hi Alex,I would love to share any information if I had received any.Yours is the first response to my inquiry. I'm starting to get a little disenchantedwith the Piet forum. This bird is coming up on it's 75th birthday and Ican't believe there hasn't been a up to date hardware list established long ago.I'd rather take a beating than attempt to dig thru BHP's plans with the partnumbers he used. I'm going to email Mike C. off forum just for grins and seewhat his response is.Hang in there,Lynn ----- Original Message -----
Hi Alex,I would love to share any information if I had received any.Yours is the first response to my inquiry. I'm starting to get a little disenchantedwith the Piet forum. This bird is coming up on it's 75th birthday and Ican't believe there hasn't been a up to date hardware list established long ago.I'd rather take a beating than attempt to dig thru BHP's plans with the partnumbers he used. I'm going to email Mike C. off forum just for grins and seewhat his response is.Hang in there,Lynn ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: Lynn & Doris Knoll
I don't think a list exists. I don't know of two Piets built exactly alike anyway.Most people make the fittings a little longer so a bolt can be put in afterthe plane is assembled, etc. Our hardware list is very different from the plansas we are building steel fuselages. The best thing to do is go thru the plansand try to add up the amount of steel you think you will need and try to orderstock sizes like 18x24 or 24 x 48, etc. Don't worry, you will need even morebefore you are finished. Do pay attention to the grain of the steel on bentpieces.Best advise is to start building......Its kinda funny how things start to fallin place when you are ready for them.Barry ----- Original Message -----
I don't think a list exists. I don't know of two Piets built exactly alike anyway.Most people make the fittings a little longer so a bolt can be put in afterthe plane is assembled, etc. Our hardware list is very different from the plansas we are building steel fuselages. The best thing to do is go thru the plansand try to add up the amount of steel you think you will need and try to orderstock sizes like 18x24 or 24 x 48, etc. Don't worry, you will need even morebefore you are finished. Do pay attention to the grain of the steel on bentpieces.Best advise is to start building......Its kinda funny how things start to fallin place when you are ready for them.Barry ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: Lynn & Doris Knoll
Lynn,To build a plane from 1929 plans is a rewarding and time consuming task ( lovingadventure) I for one would never think of going thru and itemizing all thehardware that was required to build, after fitting each piece of hardware to it'sspecific location. Kind of like requesting a carpenters group of how many nails, and what size isrequired to build a Cape Cod house, so the nails can be bought convienientlyup front.Not being a wise guy, just did like most, and had Home Depot hardware containerswith all the compartments for hardware and tried to keep it supplied most ofthe time, till the plane was doneWood used, and ply used, and brackets used, all vary a little, and since AN hardwarecomes in 1/8" incriments, there would be a lot of room for error. :)walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
Lynn,To build a plane from 1929 plans is a rewarding and time consuming task ( lovingadventure) I for one would never think of going thru and itemizing all thehardware that was required to build, after fitting each piece of hardware to it'sspecific location. Kind of like requesting a carpenters group of how many nails, and what size isrequired to build a Cape Cod house, so the nails can be bought convienientlyup front.Not being a wise guy, just did like most, and had Home Depot hardware containerswith all the compartments for hardware and tried to keep it supplied most ofthe time, till the plane was doneWood used, and ply used, and brackets used, all vary a little, and since AN hardwarecomes in 1/8" incriments, there would be a lot of room for error. :)walt evansNX140DL ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hi Lynn,As others have said, since nearly every Piet is slightly different, no listexists. I found it best ot buy the hardware for whatever section I wasworking on at the time, planning it out ahead of time by looking at theplans. I did order one of Aircraft Spruce's hardware kits with assortedsizes of AN hardware and found that helpful. For turnbuckles, I countedthem up ahead of time so I could buy them cheaply at Oshkosh from B&BAircraft supply (about half what AS&S charges). Turnbuckles are the singlemost expensive hardware items.I recommend good aircraft hardware, regardless of the expense. I'd hate tosave $75 on hardware, but have a wing fold up due to the 5 cent Home Depotbolt shearing when I hit a little turbulence. You get what you pay for.Jack PhillipsRaleigh, NCTrying to get the color coats on NX899JP so I can fly it to Brodhead.-----Original Message-----
Hi Lynn,As others have said, since nearly every Piet is slightly different, no listexists. I found it best ot buy the hardware for whatever section I wasworking on at the time, planning it out ahead of time by looking at theplans. I did order one of Aircraft Spruce's hardware kits with assortedsizes of AN hardware and found that helpful. For turnbuckles, I countedthem up ahead of time so I could buy them cheaply at Oshkosh from B&BAircraft supply (about half what AS&S charges). Turnbuckles are the singlemost expensive hardware items.I recommend good aircraft hardware, regardless of the expense. I'd hate tosave $75 on hardware, but have a wing fold up due to the 5 cent Home Depotbolt shearing when I hit a little turbulence. You get what you pay for.Jack PhillipsRaleigh, NCTrying to get the color coats on NX899JP so I can fly it to Brodhead.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: "Bert Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet HardwareJack, by the way, how many turnbuckles did you need for your Piet and what sizes?Rick HAs others have said, since nearly every Piet is slightly different, no list exists. I found it best ot buy the hardware for whatever section I was workingon at the time, planning it out ahead of time by looking at the plans. I did order one of Aircraft Spruce's hardware kits with assorted sizes of AN hardware and found that helpful. For turnbuckles, I counted them up ahead of timeso I could buy them cheaply at Oshkosh from B&B Aircraft supply (about half what AS&S charges). Turnbuckles are the single most expensive hardware items.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet HardwareJack, by the way, how many turnbuckles did you need for your Piet and what sizes?Rick HAs others have said, since nearly every Piet is slightly different, no list exists. I found it best ot buy the hardware for whatever section I was workingon at the time, planning it out ahead of time by looking at the plans. I did order one of Aircraft Spruce's hardware kits with assorted sizes of AN hardware and found that helpful. For turnbuckles, I counted them up ahead of timeso I could buy them cheaply at Oshkosh from B&B Aircraft supply (about half what AS&S charges). Turnbuckles are the single most expensive hardware items.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I don't remember, Rick. I'd have to count them and some of them are buriedinside the fuselage or wing now due to painting. To get an accurate count,I'd have to go through the plans and figure it out just as you will.Basically it is pretty easy. You need one turnbuckle for every piece ofcable on the airplane. The size can be determined by the cable size. AS&Slists in their catalog the breaking strength of the turnbuckles and thecables. SIze your turnbuckle so it is at least as strong as the cable it isadjusting.Good luck,Jack-----Original Message-----
I don't remember, Rick. I'd have to count them and some of them are buriedinside the fuselage or wing now due to painting. To get an accurate count,I'd have to go through the plans and figure it out just as you will.Basically it is pretty easy. You need one turnbuckle for every piece ofcable on the airplane. The size can be determined by the cable size. AS&Slists in their catalog the breaking strength of the turnbuckles and thecables. SIze your turnbuckle so it is at least as strong as the cable it isadjusting.Good luck,Jack-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet Hardware
Original Posted By: Jim Ash