Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05In a message dated 11/2/04 11:13:37 AM Central Standard Time, gbowen(at)ptialaska.net writes:>Thanks Gordon !! I was hoping to find someone with experience in those mountains. I saved your e-mail, and directions. I just checked the map I have on the routes, and Homestake Pass in Montana, along Rt. 90 is at 6376'. Along Rt 80 in Utah,Coalsville Summet is 7800'. Isn't there any lower passes up there ? I've never had the ol' Piet anywhere near those altitudes. I heard there is a passsomewhere up there north of Rt 80, that is just over 5000'. I have the mixturewired full rich right now, so I will have to add a cable and mixture adjustment. Sometime in the spring, I'll bundle up, check temp and Density Altitude,and do a test flight to find out the Absolute Ceiling of my plane. Chuck GantzerNX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet"
Original Posted By: "Gordon Bowen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet"In a message dated 11/2/04 12:23:17 PM Central Standard Time, BARNSTMR(at)aol.com writes:>Terry,I'm just doing some preliminary planning right now. Management at work would probably get a chuckle out of my request for a month or two off work !!Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Skinny Piet"In a message dated 11/2/04 12:23:17 PM Central Standard Time, BARNSTMR(at)aol.com writes:>Terry,I'm just doing some preliminary planning right now. Management at work would probably get a chuckle out of my request for a month or two off work !!Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
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Chuck,I think the lowest passes up to the North of the UT border are, north out ofIdaho Falls along I-15, thats along the Beaverhead River to Dillion then Rt41 east along to I-90 to Bozeman. You'd more or less follow the Snake Rivervalley from Oregon/Washington up stream until you get to the high part ofthe mountains. Then have to turn north to get up on the Missouri andYellowstone River drainages going downstream, more or less following theroute of Lewis and Clark, going around the bad part of the mountains betweenSpokane and Butte.The Interstate roads actually cut thru most of these passes at about 6500'because that's just about the average of the continential divide all alongthe northern US Rockies. I misstated the US rte from Idaho Falls to eastof Evanston WY, it's US Rte.30. This is the short cut that the truckersfrom Portland/Seattle take when they're going to Chicago. The trains fromSeattle/Portland go to the south along I-84, Ogden thru the passes to I'80,cross all the mountains from west to east along I-80, this is the lowestroute.Probably the most predicable weather from west to east is to come to thesouth from WA to Portland, follow I-84 all the way to I-80 then cross thehighest part of the trip about Rawlings WY. At Rawlings you can go toCasper and then you're thru the mountains. The Mormon Trail followed thatroute but went north of Rawlings over South Pass. But you're gonna have tofly about 6000' min. because my homebase in UT is 4500', Rawlings Arpt Ithink is about 6500' and the mountain passes up to Evanston you have toclimb another 2000' even just to skim along the Interstate. The weather ismostly clear and dry, the mountains are least obscured by weather frontsthat come ashore between Portland and Seattle and obscure the mountains of aline from Spokane to Bozeman.Good Luck- Gordon----- Original Message -----
Chuck,I think the lowest passes up to the North of the UT border are, north out ofIdaho Falls along I-15, thats along the Beaverhead River to Dillion then Rt41 east along to I-90 to Bozeman. You'd more or less follow the Snake Rivervalley from Oregon/Washington up stream until you get to the high part ofthe mountains. Then have to turn north to get up on the Missouri andYellowstone River drainages going downstream, more or less following theroute of Lewis and Clark, going around the bad part of the mountains betweenSpokane and Butte.The Interstate roads actually cut thru most of these passes at about 6500'because that's just about the average of the continential divide all alongthe northern US Rockies. I misstated the US rte from Idaho Falls to eastof Evanston WY, it's US Rte.30. This is the short cut that the truckersfrom Portland/Seattle take when they're going to Chicago. The trains fromSeattle/Portland go to the south along I-84, Ogden thru the passes to I'80,cross all the mountains from west to east along I-80, this is the lowestroute.Probably the most predicable weather from west to east is to come to thesouth from WA to Portland, follow I-84 all the way to I-80 then cross thehighest part of the trip about Rawlings WY. At Rawlings you can go toCasper and then you're thru the mountains. The Mormon Trail followed thatroute but went north of Rawlings over South Pass. But you're gonna have tofly about 6000' min. because my homebase in UT is 4500', Rawlings Arpt Ithink is about 6500' and the mountain passes up to Evanston you have toclimb another 2000' even just to skim along the Interstate. The weather ismostly clear and dry, the mountains are least obscured by weather frontsthat come ashore between Portland and Seattle and obscure the mountains of aline from Spokane to Bozeman.Good Luck- Gordon----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05In a message dated 11/3/04 1:53:39 AM Central Standard Time, CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca writes:>Clif,Thanks for the site. I'll be checking, and printing, stuff from that one !! The NW EAA Fly In has dates that fit my schedule.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05In a message dated 11/3/04 1:53:39 AM Central Standard Time, CDAWSON5854(at)shaw.ca writes:>Clif,Thanks for the site. I'll be checking, and printing, stuff from that one !! The NW EAA Fly In has dates that fit my schedule.Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: "Bert Conoly"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05Chuck:Don't forget that out of the 25,000 hours my dad has in his logbook, around 5,000 of those hours are flying the Rocky mountains from El Paso to all pointsnorth through the mountains to include Salt Lake, Boise, Portland and points in between and to Casper and Phoenix and ABQ. Didn't he ink the low routes on your wall chart when he was at your house? If not, I'll ask him to recall the low routes and I'll snail mail a map.S.B.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05Chuck:Don't forget that out of the 25,000 hours my dad has in his logbook, around 5,000 of those hours are flying the Rocky mountains from El Paso to all pointsnorth through the mountains to include Salt Lake, Boise, Portland and points in between and to Casper and Phoenix and ABQ. Didn't he ink the low routes on your wall chart when he was at your house? If not, I'll ask him to recall the low routes and I'll snail mail a map.S.B.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: N321TX(at)wmconnect.com
Chuck,If S.B.'s dad comes up with a couple routes over the Rockies that are less than7000', north of Vegas, I'd sure like to know about them. I've only got a couple1000 hours total but most of them are flying out of Ogden UT going east overthe Rockies or west over the Sierras. Out of Ogden or Salt Lake heading tothe east you've got 9000' peaks, just to get up to Evanston you've got to flythe passes and go out over the salt flats north-west of Ogden to climb. Re:your "wired-down" mixture control, it's just about impossible to get enough powerwith a single engine plane for take-off from airports in the inter-mountainwest without leaning a lot. Failure to lean your engine is one of the mostfrequent reasons for aborted take-offs for folks flying in from flat countryfor fuel. The average airport elevation for the "great basin" is 5000'. Theairports actually in the mountain valleys like Laramie WY are at 7000', if memoryserves. All along the front range of the Rockies, you're starting froman airport of ca. 5000' and trying to go between mountain peaks of 9000' withpasses at 6500' min. The "lowest" route I can think of for a Piet would be Casper,Rawlings, Evanston, Ogden, even then you'd have to be able to lean yourcarb and climb to 7000', the mountain valleys are wide and dry but it's kindaspooky to look up at the tops.Gordon ----- Original Message -----
Chuck,If S.B.'s dad comes up with a couple routes over the Rockies that are less than7000', north of Vegas, I'd sure like to know about them. I've only got a couple1000 hours total but most of them are flying out of Ogden UT going east overthe Rockies or west over the Sierras. Out of Ogden or Salt Lake heading tothe east you've got 9000' peaks, just to get up to Evanston you've got to flythe passes and go out over the salt flats north-west of Ogden to climb. Re:your "wired-down" mixture control, it's just about impossible to get enough powerwith a single engine plane for take-off from airports in the inter-mountainwest without leaning a lot. Failure to lean your engine is one of the mostfrequent reasons for aborted take-offs for folks flying in from flat countryfor fuel. The average airport elevation for the "great basin" is 5000'. Theairports actually in the mountain valleys like Laramie WY are at 7000', if memoryserves. All along the front range of the Rockies, you're starting froman airport of ca. 5000' and trying to go between mountain peaks of 9000' withpasses at 6500' min. The "lowest" route I can think of for a Piet would be Casper,Rawlings, Evanston, Ogden, even then you'd have to be able to lean yourcarb and climb to 7000', the mountain valleys are wide and dry but it's kindaspooky to look up at the tops.Gordon ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: Javier Cruz
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05Sterling,Unfortunately, we didn't put any marks on my big chart. I really enjoyed having you and your dad here, and hearing about some of his adventures. It wouldbe very helpful, if you would ask him to recall those 'Low Routes' and mail them to me. I'll go over them, and maybe give him a call sometime, to answer the inevitable questions. I'll bet he would enjoy recalling those flights !!Gordon,Although I haven't got any experience in Mountain Flying, I always read everything I can on the subject, and saving all your advise. Some of the smallstrips present quite a challenge to get into and out of. There is a good articlein this month's AOPA magazine on the subject. It says "Terrain is absolute. It's like the Terminator - there's no arguing with it and no reasoning with it." If I do this flight, I plan on a gradual introduction to the higher terrain (short hops), and talking with all the locals about the routes. I thinkit would also be necessary for me to limit my cargo to 50 lbs. Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:48:09 -0600
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05Sterling,Unfortunately, we didn't put any marks on my big chart. I really enjoyed having you and your dad here, and hearing about some of his adventures. It wouldbe very helpful, if you would ask him to recall those 'Low Routes' and mail them to me. I'll go over them, and maybe give him a call sometime, to answer the inevitable questions. I'll bet he would enjoy recalling those flights !!Gordon,Although I haven't got any experience in Mountain Flying, I always read everything I can on the subject, and saving all your advise. Some of the smallstrips present quite a challenge to get into and out of. There is a good articlein this month's AOPA magazine on the subject. It says "Terrain is absolute. It's like the Terminator - there's no arguing with it and no reasoning with it." If I do this flight, I plan on a gradual introduction to the higher terrain (short hops), and talking with all the locals about the routes. I thinkit would also be necessary for me to limit my cargo to 50 lbs. Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 00:48:09 -0600
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Hey guys (and gals?)This is for you guys who have built up some hours on your Piets. I'm outfittingthe cockpit and want to know in your experience, what is really needed in termsof cubby holes, map storage pockets, jacket compartment etc. I've built twosmall glove boxes under the seat and am making a map holder on the right sidewhere the diagonal meets the vertical sidemember. Should I do two of these?There also seems to be room in front of the passenger (Ford powered) for a nicesize storage area.With no actual experience, I'm not sure what is really needed and what's overkill.Thanks,Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Hey guys (and gals?)This is for you guys who have built up some hours on your Piets. I'm outfittingthe cockpit and want to know in your experience, what is really needed in termsof cubby holes, map storage pockets, jacket compartment etc. I've built twosmall glove boxes under the seat and am making a map holder on the right sidewhere the diagonal meets the vertical sidemember. Should I do two of these?There also seems to be room in front of the passenger (Ford powered) for a nicesize storage area.With no actual experience, I'm not sure what is really needed and what's overkill.Thanks,Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By:> "Douwe Blumberg"
Hi Douwe,With only 7.5 hours on my Piet, I can't claim to be an expert on long trips, butI will say that it's probably not possible to have too much storage space. I have a helmet box behind the rear seat, under the turtledeck. I use it to storemy helmet and goggles. I have two triangular map pockets as you describeand I haven't used them at all yet, but have not taken a trip in it yet (stillflying off the hours in my "box"). I have a full baggage compartment in frontof the forward instrument panel (Continental power,with the fuel in the centersection)that is large enough to hold a tent, a sleeping bag and a duffle bag.it currently is used to store a jacket, some chocks, a fire extinguisher,and a few tools.I will probably add a "Cup Holder" to hold a small water bottle for long trips,like when I fly it from NC to Brodhead next July.JackNX899JP>
Hi Douwe,With only 7.5 hours on my Piet, I can't claim to be an expert on long trips, butI will say that it's probably not possible to have too much storage space. I have a helmet box behind the rear seat, under the turtledeck. I use it to storemy helmet and goggles. I have two triangular map pockets as you describeand I haven't used them at all yet, but have not taken a trip in it yet (stillflying off the hours in my "box"). I have a full baggage compartment in frontof the forward instrument panel (Continental power,with the fuel in the centersection)that is large enough to hold a tent, a sleeping bag and a duffle bag.it currently is used to store a jacket, some chocks, a fire extinguisher,and a few tools.I will probably add a "Cup Holder" to hold a small water bottle for long trips,like when I fly it from NC to Brodhead next July.JackNX899JP>
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: "Chris Robbins"
Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05I talked to my dad last night. His memory is incredible and he even recalls some dirt strips at pipeline compressor stations in and near the Rockies wherehe often landed his Twin Bonanza, Cessna 310, Cessna 421, back in the "old days." Three of the more scenic is around Corona, New Mexico, Guadalupe Peak inTexas and near Shiprock.I'll get with him this week and have him sketch out the old routes these guys flew back in the 50s and 60s. The dirt strips may not even be on the charts these days, but in the event of needing to make an unplanned landing, your Pietenpol could do it with ease and I bet the folks at the compressor stationswould be happy to buy you a cup of coffee and a warm place to settle in. Just tell them you know an old pilot named Roy sent you.S.B.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: America Tour '05I talked to my dad last night. His memory is incredible and he even recalls some dirt strips at pipeline compressor stations in and near the Rockies wherehe often landed his Twin Bonanza, Cessna 310, Cessna 421, back in the "old days." Three of the more scenic is around Corona, New Mexico, Guadalupe Peak inTexas and near Shiprock.I'll get with him this week and have him sketch out the old routes these guys flew back in the 50s and 60s. The dirt strips may not even be on the charts these days, but in the event of needing to make an unplanned landing, your Pietenpol could do it with ease and I bet the folks at the compressor stationswould be happy to buy you a cup of coffee and a warm place to settle in. Just tell them you know an old pilot named Roy sent you.S.B.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "John Ford"
> To: "pietenpolgroup" > Subject: Pietenpol-List:> > Hey guys (and gals?)> > This is for you guys who have built up some hours on your Piets. I'm outfittingthe cockpit and want to know in your experience, what is really needed interms of cubby holes, map storage pockets, jacket compartment etc. I've builttwo small glove boxes under the seat and am making a map holder on the rightside where the diagonal meets the vertical sidemember. Should I do two of these?> > There also seems to be room in front of the passenger (Ford powered) for a nicesize storage area.> > With no actual experience, I'm not sure what is really needed and what's overkill.> > Thanks,> Douwe> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:59:34 -0500
> To: "pietenpolgroup" > Subject: Pietenpol-List:> > Hey guys (and gals?)> > This is for you guys who have built up some hours on your Piets. I'm outfittingthe cockpit and want to know in your experience, what is really needed interms of cubby holes, map storage pockets, jacket compartment etc. I've builttwo small glove boxes under the seat and am making a map holder on the rightside where the diagonal meets the vertical sidemember. Should I do two of these?> > There also seems to be room in front of the passenger (Ford powered) for a nicesize storage area.> > With no actual experience, I'm not sure what is really needed and what's overkill.> > Thanks,> Douwe> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 08:59:34 -0500