Original Posted By: "rambog(at)erols.com"
Peter (from Down Under) wrote->Check out http://www.pjshenton.go-plus.net/default.htm.Yes, the 3/4" x 3" reinforcement is addressed there... and so much more. For example, I know I've seen several Piets with nice steps, but here's a great photo that says it all: http://www.pjshenton.go-plus.net/pictur ... 0.jpgOscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: step
Pietenpol-List: step
Original Posted By: Galen Hutcheson
John,Another step idea which I've used is the old inward swinging door step. It's verysimple and lightweight. Just a top hinged, spring loaded plate which is flatwith the fuse surface. I've seen guys place these just above the bottom longeron,but I placed mine higher so that when my foot sticks through, it is onthe pilot's seat.Didn't do one for the front pit, as I don't think they help much more than thetire which is already there. Keep it light!!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
John,Another step idea which I've used is the old inward swinging door step. It's verysimple and lightweight. Just a top hinged, spring loaded plate which is flatwith the fuse surface. I've seen guys place these just above the bottom longeron,but I placed mine higher so that when my foot sticks through, it is onthe pilot's seat.Didn't do one for the front pit, as I don't think they help much more than thetire which is already there. Keep it light!!Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 07:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Pietenpol-List: step
Original Posted By: CozyGirrrl(at)aol.com
Michael wrote-> Here is what I've decided to do with my step. It's simple to build> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoD ... D=3943That will never work... it's too streamlined to work on a Pietenpol ;o) Seriously,that is a very clever design and should work great!You'd better patent it before the CozyGirrrlz decide to sell it as a premade, prefinishedmetal accessory ;o) (Which wouldn't be a bad thing, like the frontseat shoulder harness attach fitting and other metal bits).Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Michael wrote-> Here is what I've decided to do with my step. It's simple to build> http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoD ... D=3943That will never work... it's too streamlined to work on a Pietenpol ;o) Seriously,that is a very clever design and should work great!You'd better patent it before the CozyGirrrlz decide to sell it as a premade, prefinishedmetal accessory ;o) (Which wouldn't be a bad thing, like the frontseat shoulder harness attach fitting and other metal bits).Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: metal parts
Original Posted By: shad bell
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal partsWas pointed out offlist to me by David (dpaule(at)frii.com):"Chrissi, It would be worth clarifying the post on the Pietenpol list. I'm concerned that people without your background might be led wrongly, and assumethat annealed 4130 is the same as normalized."...and he provided this helpful; clarification:"Here's a quote from MIL-HDBK-5 about it. MIL-HDBK-5 is the stress analysists's guide to aircraft metal properties (it's not a process manual for heat treatment):"Annealing generally softens the material, producing the lowest mechanical properties. The normalized condition is achieved by holding to a slightly higher temperature than annealing, but for a shorter period of time. The purpose of normalizing varies depending on the desired properties; it can be used to increase or decrease mechanical properties."I clearly misspoke at the time, David is correct, annealing is not the same as normalizing. Typically to bend 4130 it is suggested that in "N" condition you do not bend tighter than a radius of 3t (t=thickness) but if you anneal first you can go down to 1t radius. That's a significant difference on a 90* bend.An important aside here is how this is reflected in costs of 4130 steel parts which would have to be annealed for a sharp bend then normalized afterwards-VS- the cold roll steel that can be bent at 1t off the shelf. Thanks David for keeping me on the straight and narrow!Regards, ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?vide ... 0000000002)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Pietenpol-List: metal partsWas pointed out offlist to me by David (dpaule(at)frii.com):"Chrissi, It would be worth clarifying the post on the Pietenpol list. I'm concerned that people without your background might be led wrongly, and assumethat annealed 4130 is the same as normalized."...and he provided this helpful; clarification:"Here's a quote from MIL-HDBK-5 about it. MIL-HDBK-5 is the stress analysists's guide to aircraft metal properties (it's not a process manual for heat treatment):"Annealing generally softens the material, producing the lowest mechanical properties. The normalized condition is achieved by holding to a slightly higher temperature than annealing, but for a shorter period of time. The purpose of normalizing varies depending on the desired properties; it can be used to increase or decrease mechanical properties."I clearly misspoke at the time, David is correct, annealing is not the same as normalizing. Typically to bend 4130 it is suggested that in "N" condition you do not bend tighter than a radius of 3t (t=thickness) but if you anneal first you can go down to 1t radius. That's a significant difference on a 90* bend.An important aside here is how this is reflected in costs of 4130 steel parts which would have to be annealed for a sharp bend then normalized afterwards-VS- the cold roll steel that can be bent at 1t off the shelf. Thanks David for keeping me on the straight and narrow!Regards, ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?vide ... 0000000002)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 22:30:27 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Original Posted By: Marcus Zechini
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step UNCLASSIFIED With my Pietenkit there is a small step that attaches to the Piper Cub landinggear and is for the front cockpit. Does anyone else have one of these?Blue Skies,Steve DOn 09/05/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:> > > > > First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she’s looking more and more likean airplane. I gotta get up and visit.> > > > Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I’d put one on, and myplane’s first version didn’t have any. I’m pretty flexible andgetting in wasn’t a big deal. However, when I had to rebuild the plane,I did add a step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking of resale or gettingolder and find that I’m really glad I did. It just makes it easier. NowI wish I had installed one for the front pit too.> > > > I’m sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly are cleaner.> > > > D> > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:55:12 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step UNCLASSIFIED With my Pietenkit there is a small step that attaches to the Piper Cub landinggear and is for the front cockpit. Does anyone else have one of these?Blue Skies,Steve DOn 09/05/13, Douwe Blumberg wrote:> > > > > First off, congrats Bob on your progress, she’s looking more and more likean airplane. I gotta get up and visit.> > > > Secondly, re cockpit steps. I had never thought I’d put one on, and myplane’s first version didn’t have any. I’m pretty flexible andgetting in wasn’t a big deal. However, when I had to rebuild the plane,I did add a step for the rear cockpit, mainly thinking of resale or gettingolder and find that I’m really glad I did. It just makes it easier. NowI wish I had installed one for the front pit too.> > > > I’m sure any design will work, though the recessed ones certainly are cleaner.> > > > D> > UNCLASSIFIED________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2013 15:55:12 -0400Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: step
Pietenpol-List: step
Original Posted By: "taildrags"
If you need to change the position of your wing - and almost EVERYONE needs to- in order to correct your cg location, you need to use your "B" method. Hopefully, you can visualize the parallelogram that "B" provides, which will allowfor the cabane struts to be moved fore and back.With the sketch shown in "A," what happens is that the front and rear cabanes willbe locked into a fixed relationship. What they need is to be free to actas hinges in the front / rear swing directions.Follow the plans...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: step
If you need to change the position of your wing - and almost EVERYONE needs to- in order to correct your cg location, you need to use your "B" method. Hopefully, you can visualize the parallelogram that "B" provides, which will allowfor the cabane struts to be moved fore and back.With the sketch shown in "A," what happens is that the front and rear cabanes willbe locked into a fixed relationship. What they need is to be free to actas hinges in the front / rear swing directions.Follow the plans...--------Tom KreinerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: step
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A/N Hardware
Original Posted By: "Steve Eldredge"
> >> > >> >>>> >> >May I piggyback a question onto this topic?> >> >Why go to the expense of AN hardware when bolting> together parts> through a > >wood structure?> >> >DocFont> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> browse> Subscriptions page,> FAQ,>> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A/N HardwareDate: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:57:38 -0600
> >> > >> >>>> >> >May I piggyback a question onto this topic?> >> >Why go to the expense of AN hardware when bolting> together parts> through a > >wood structure?> >> >DocFont> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> browse> Subscriptions page,> FAQ,>> > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A/N HardwareDate: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 08:57:38 -0600