Original Posted By: "Jim Markle"
I was looking at pictures on http://www.kitplanes.com and one step of the project was the addition of the ply sides to the fuse. Prior to applying the T-88, hundreds of nails were started over markings on the plywood so that it could be quickly nailed down before the adhesive cured. I have also read that the nails should be removed.I haven't actually done any building yet because I'm still trying to put togethera plan. Would it be ok to place a strip of cheap thin plywood or luan wherethe nails go so that after the glue sets you can pull the nails out by simplyremoving the top strip of plywood? To make my question clear you would nailthrough the strip of plywood/luan and then through the fuselage plywood intothe spars so that you could remove the nails by removing the top strip of wood.It just seems like you'd really be digging up the surface of the plywood tryingto get all those nails out. If this is a valid idea would you just purchasenails long enough to compensate for that top strip of plywood that you useor would you be able to go deep enough with the nails most people use? Is therea reason why this wouldn't be a good idea? Maybe the builder's manual goesinto this. I've been focusing on the motor now since winter is settling inand I have a warm (small) place to work when it's cold and have the wood workplanned for the early spring.Glenn Thomas________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction
Original Posted By:> Ben Charvet
Thanks Ben,I've got a bad case of analysis paralysis. I'm trying to understand all the in'sand out's of this project and, of course, everyone has different ideas. Uphere in Connecticut it has already snowed once and the garage is a bit chillywhich is why I'm putting off the wood work until Spring. That will give me theWinter to focus on the motor, read books and gather info from people like you.Matt Paxton, who wrote the article for AVWeb, "Wooden it be lovely" alsoleft the nails in, so I guess it really doesn't matter. In spite of all the concernover doing it the right way, I have to admit this is the most exhileratingand awesome thing I have ever attempted. Thanks for the info,Glenn>
Thanks Ben,I've got a bad case of analysis paralysis. I'm trying to understand all the in'sand out's of this project and, of course, everyone has different ideas. Uphere in Connecticut it has already snowed once and the garage is a bit chillywhich is why I'm putting off the wood work until Spring. That will give me theWinter to focus on the motor, read books and gather info from people like you.Matt Paxton, who wrote the article for AVWeb, "Wooden it be lovely" alsoleft the nails in, so I guess it really doesn't matter. In spite of all the concernover doing it the right way, I have to admit this is the most exhileratingand awesome thing I have ever attempted. Thanks for the info,Glenn>
Pietenpol-List: forming upper wing wrap-around fitting
Original Posted By: Lou Wither
Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction
Original Posted By:> Lou Wither
Wow!I've been wondering if there were any other Piet's in CT. I'd love to take a lookat one that's finished. Do you think I could check yours out some time? I'm in Storrs.Thanks,Glenn>
Wow!I've been wondering if there were any other Piet's in CT. I'd love to take a lookat one that's finished. Do you think I could check yours out some time? I'm in Storrs.Thanks,Glenn>
Re: Pietenpol-List: forming upper wing wrap-around fitting
Original Posted By: "Michael D Cuy"
Mike:Not bad, but I sort of like DJ's solution for the problem. A lot simpler, nowelding and you end up w/ adjustable fittings on the lift strut.http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/im ... -04.htmall the best:Michael SilviusScarborough, Maine.----- Original Message -----
Mike:Not bad, but I sort of like DJ's solution for the problem. A lot simpler, nowelding and you end up w/ adjustable fittings on the lift strut.http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/im ... -04.htmall the best:Michael SilviusScarborough, Maine.----- Original Message -----
RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction> > > Those were probably my pictures you saw at mykitplanes.com> I used 3/4 inch aircraft nails to glue the fuselage sides on and never > thought of pulling them out, because the total weight of the nails was > probably about 4 ounces or less.. The bottom curve of the fuselage > would make fitting a nailing strip a chore, but I suppose it could be > done. I also used the little 3/8 inch nails on my wing ribs and left > those in place also. I've tried using the 1 inch aircraft nails, but > they are of the same guage as the shorter ones and they are difficult to > use without bending, I'm sure as you follow the list you will see both > sides of this arguement, and ultimately this will be just one of > thousands of little decisions you will make in your Pietenpol journey. > Its nice to have access to so many opinions, though, isn't it?> > Ben Charvet> Mims, Fl> > Glenn Thomas wrote:> > > I was looking at pictures on http://www.kitplanes.com and one step of > > the project was the addition of the ply sides to the fuse. Prior to > > applying the T-88, hundreds of nails were started over markings on the > > plywood so that it could be quickly nailed down before the adhesive > > cured. I have also read that the nails should be removed. > > > > I haven't actually done any building yet because I'm still trying to > > put together a plan. Would it be ok to place a strip of cheap thin > > plywood or luan where the nails go so that after the glue sets you can > > pull the nails out by simply removing the top strip of plywood? To > > make my question clear you would nail through the strip of > > plywood/luan and then through the fuselage plywood into the spars so > > that you could remove the nails by removing the top strip of wood. It > > just seems like you'd really be digging up the surface of the plywood > > trying to get all those nails out. If this is a valid idea would you > > just purchase nails long enough to compensate for that top strip of > > plywood that you use or would you be able to go deep enough with the > > nails most people use? Is there a reason why this wouldn't be a good > > idea? Maybe the builder's manual goes into this. I've been focusing > > on the motor now since winter is settling in and I have a warm (small) > > place to work when it's cold and have the wood work planned for the > > early spring.> > > > Glenn Thomas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse ConstructionDate: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:44:55 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction> > > Those were probably my pictures you saw at mykitplanes.com> I used 3/4 inch aircraft nails to glue the fuselage sides on and never > thought of pulling them out, because the total weight of the nails was > probably about 4 ounces or less.. The bottom curve of the fuselage > would make fitting a nailing strip a chore, but I suppose it could be > done. I also used the little 3/8 inch nails on my wing ribs and left > those in place also. I've tried using the 1 inch aircraft nails, but > they are of the same guage as the shorter ones and they are difficult to > use without bending, I'm sure as you follow the list you will see both > sides of this arguement, and ultimately this will be just one of > thousands of little decisions you will make in your Pietenpol journey. > Its nice to have access to so many opinions, though, isn't it?> > Ben Charvet> Mims, Fl> > Glenn Thomas wrote:> > > I was looking at pictures on http://www.kitplanes.com and one step of > > the project was the addition of the ply sides to the fuse. Prior to > > applying the T-88, hundreds of nails were started over markings on the > > plywood so that it could be quickly nailed down before the adhesive > > cured. I have also read that the nails should be removed. > > > > I haven't actually done any building yet because I'm still trying to > > put together a plan. Would it be ok to place a strip of cheap thin > > plywood or luan where the nails go so that after the glue sets you can > > pull the nails out by simply removing the top strip of plywood? To > > make my question clear you would nail through the strip of > > plywood/luan and then through the fuselage plywood into the spars so > > that you could remove the nails by removing the top strip of wood. It > > just seems like you'd really be digging up the surface of the plywood > > trying to get all those nails out. If this is a valid idea would you > > just purchase nails long enough to compensate for that top strip of > > plywood that you use or would you be able to go deep enough with the > > nails most people use? Is there a reason why this wouldn't be a good > > idea? Maybe the builder's manual goes into this. I've been focusing > > on the motor now since winter is settling in and I have a warm (small) > > place to work when it's cold and have the wood work planned for the > > early spring.> > > > Glenn Thomas> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse ConstructionDate: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 10:44:55 -0500
> Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction
Original Posted By: harvey rule
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction> > Glen,> > Where are you located in Connecticut. I finished my project last summer. Didit in my cellar. I am located in Branford. If you need some help let me know.> > Lou Wither> > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:18:05 -0500
> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brads Used During Fuse Construction> > Glen,> > Where are you located in Connecticut. I finished my project last summer. Didit in my cellar. I am located in Branford. If you need some help let me know.> > Lou Wither> > ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 12:18:05 -0500