Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Question about the attach point for the HS? I have GN1 plans so this may be alittle different. My plans show a solid piece of wood that glues to the inboardside of the leading edge. How thick should this piece be? Should it havea gusset over it or just a but joint?Thanks!Nick Harrisnharris25(at)yahoo.com________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Scott S.
Hi,Funny you should ask about pre-made fittings (or at least pre-cut/pre-bent). Iwas just killing time looking at Piet pictures an hour ago and came across thissite. I can't say how good the work is but the site creator seems to likeit. There are a few close-ups of some of the fittings. There will be some weldingstill but the cutting appears to be done by laser and looks very clean andaccurate.Hope it helps,Glenn Thomas ----- Original Message -----
Hi,Funny you should ask about pre-made fittings (or at least pre-cut/pre-bent). Iwas just killing time looking at Piet pictures an hour ago and came across thissite. I can't say how good the work is but the site creator seems to likeit. There are a few close-ups of some of the fittings. There will be some weldingstill but the cutting appears to be done by laser and looks very clean andaccurate.Hope it helps,Glenn Thomas ----- Original Message -----
Fw: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Glenn Thomas
>My first question (among many), is it possible for an inexperienced person toweld the small parts with a $300 >electric welder from Home Depot, or must itbe done by a skilled professional? Secondly, I would appreciate >leads as towhere I can buy fittings pre-made for the Piet,I forgot the paste the link. Here it is...http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... Glenn----- Original Message -----
>My first question (among many), is it possible for an inexperienced person toweld the small parts with a $300 >electric welder from Home Depot, or must itbe done by a skilled professional? Secondly, I would appreciate >leads as towhere I can buy fittings pre-made for the Piet,I forgot the paste the link. Here it is...http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... Glenn----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
ScottI have done all my welding with a Campbell Hausfeld wire feed welder(non-MIG). This is my first venture into welding. Luckily for me, myneighbor is a welder (person not machine). He helped me get started andshowed me how to practice. He also has cleaned up some of the welds on myproject. It's not hard, but there is an art to it, and it does take somepractice. All of the welding required for the Pietenpol can be done usingan inexpensive welder with a little patience. For me, this was a chance tolearn another skill and get another toy. Besides, melting metal together isway cool. The rest of the metal work I did on my bandsaw (woodworkingbandsaw with a metal cutting blade), bench grinder, vise and file. Embraceyour inner blacksmith and built the Pietenpol.Malcolm-----Original Message-----
ScottI have done all my welding with a Campbell Hausfeld wire feed welder(non-MIG). This is my first venture into welding. Luckily for me, myneighbor is a welder (person not machine). He helped me get started andshowed me how to practice. He also has cleaned up some of the welds on myproject. It's not hard, but there is an art to it, and it does take somepractice. All of the welding required for the Pietenpol can be done usingan inexpensive welder with a little patience. For me, this was a chance tolearn another skill and get another toy. Besides, melting metal together isway cool. The rest of the metal work I did on my bandsaw (woodworkingbandsaw with a metal cutting blade), bench grinder, vise and file. Embraceyour inner blacksmith and built the Pietenpol.Malcolm-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Scott S.
Hi Scott,I'm just getting started myself and I'm not a welder either. I have read a couple of books on the topic that came recommended in the William Wynne Corvair Conversion manual. "Aircraft Welding" and "Welder's Handbook" were informative books you can get from the EAA site or possibly even used on Amazon. What I've learned is that because you can't guarantee the penetration of a MIG weld you should OxyAcetylene weld all aircraft parts. I looked into a Victor set of torches and regulators on http://www.cyberweld.com and you can get them for about $250.00 and the cylinders go for about $120.00 each empty. Oxygen costs about $40.00 to fill the tank and Acetylene costs about $30.00 and the cylinders and gas are purchased from your local welding supply company. ...so the whole outfit (less a welding table) goes for roughly $560.00. The other option is TIG welding which is supposedly much more expensive and requires a lot more practice/skill. I want to do everything on my project so I plan on becoming the skilled pro by the time I start making parts.Again, I only know what I've read, but those books seem helpful. I hear the theWelder's handbook is weak in some areas but the literature that comes with aVictor welding rig is supposed to fill in the holes.Good luck!Glenn ----- Original Message -----
Hi Scott,I'm just getting started myself and I'm not a welder either. I have read a couple of books on the topic that came recommended in the William Wynne Corvair Conversion manual. "Aircraft Welding" and "Welder's Handbook" were informative books you can get from the EAA site or possibly even used on Amazon. What I've learned is that because you can't guarantee the penetration of a MIG weld you should OxyAcetylene weld all aircraft parts. I looked into a Victor set of torches and regulators on http://www.cyberweld.com and you can get them for about $250.00 and the cylinders go for about $120.00 each empty. Oxygen costs about $40.00 to fill the tank and Acetylene costs about $30.00 and the cylinders and gas are purchased from your local welding supply company. ...so the whole outfit (less a welding table) goes for roughly $560.00. The other option is TIG welding which is supposedly much more expensive and requires a lot more practice/skill. I want to do everything on my project so I plan on becoming the skilled pro by the time I start making parts.Again, I only know what I've read, but those books seem helpful. I hear the theWelder's handbook is weak in some areas but the literature that comes with aVictor welding rig is supposed to fill in the holes.Good luck!Glenn ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: re:woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Glenn I believe is correct the only 2 safe methods for welding an aircraft areoxy-acetylene and TIG .This is all I have ever read and what I was told at theworkshops at Oshkosh that I attended. I took a course at our local college onoxy-acetylene .It was a great expierience and gave me the confidence I needed.I'mstill practicing on scrap metal and making things in metal for around thehouse,and am destructing some of my welds and am quite pleased with my work.Iam a cabinet maker but I find the welding quite relaxing and am seriously consideringbuilding the piet out of 4130.They were building a piet at Oshkosh lastsummer out of metal and when I asked why,the gentleman told me for him weldingwas the most enjoyable medium he could work with.Also easy to add things likea door and find a place to attach your shoulder harness too.If you get the chance read Budd Davisson's' Zen and the Art of the Weld Puddle' you can find it at http://www.airbum.com.The eaa video on oxy-acet welding is also very good.Regards,Mike________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:01:45 -0800
Glenn I believe is correct the only 2 safe methods for welding an aircraft areoxy-acetylene and TIG .This is all I have ever read and what I was told at theworkshops at Oshkosh that I attended. I took a course at our local college onoxy-acetylene .It was a great expierience and gave me the confidence I needed.I'mstill practicing on scrap metal and making things in metal for around thehouse,and am destructing some of my welds and am quite pleased with my work.Iam a cabinet maker but I find the welding quite relaxing and am seriously consideringbuilding the piet out of 4130.They were building a piet at Oshkosh lastsummer out of metal and when I asked why,the gentleman told me for him weldingwas the most enjoyable medium he could work with.Also easy to add things likea door and find a place to attach your shoulder harness too.If you get the chance read Budd Davisson's' Zen and the Art of the Weld Puddle' you can find it at http://www.airbum.com.The eaa video on oxy-acet welding is also very good.Regards,Mike________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2006 00:01:45 -0800
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Lou Wither
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Lou Wither
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Lou Wither
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Lou Wither
There is a lot to know about welding and a lot of welders aren't familiar withthe stringent requirements of aircraft welding. That's why I read a few books.The point Lou Makes with the stress relieving process is important and somethingmy brother would never bother with but I WILL find a place to do this onmy engine mount. The book ("Aircraft Welding") is cheap and you can read throughit in an evening and have it around for a reference.Glenn----- Original Message -----
There is a lot to know about welding and a lot of welders aren't familiar withthe stringent requirements of aircraft welding. That's why I read a few books.The point Lou Makes with the stress relieving process is important and somethingmy brother would never bother with but I WILL find a place to do this onmy engine mount. The book ("Aircraft Welding") is cheap and you can read throughit in an evening and have it around for a reference.Glenn----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: woodworker intimidated by metal fittings
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
The airbum site is a great resource. ...and your plane is a work of art! ----- Original Message -----
The airbum site is a great resource. ...and your plane is a work of art! ----- Original Message -----