Original Posted By: "Mark Blackwell"
My 2 cennts worth from building tanks for boats.It best if tank is all the same material. The differnt rates of expansion will cause problems down the road.Steve G>From: Sealion330(at)cs.com>Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank>Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 18:45:37 EST>>hi gang. I am building the 3 foot center section on my pietenpol and I am>making it a wet one. I have glassed in on bottom and sides with two >baffles. I>would like to use .025 aluminum for the top and would like to know what the>best way to join the aluminum to the end ribs and spars. I used epoxy resin >on>inside of tank and plan a drain at the front and rear of tank. Also I will >have>a sample drain at the rear on either side. Thanks, Gardiner Mason in St.>Simons Island Ga.>>.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2006 20:29:34 -0500
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Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's (Oregon) used a plasticfuel cell for boats.Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and seehttp://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.htmlChris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
As I recall the EAA Chapter 929 that built all the Newport's (Oregon) used a plasticfuel cell for boats.Someone with a faster connection can you take a look at this web site and seehttp://www.eaa292.org/noonpatrol.htmlChris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Original Posted By: Catdesign
found it go here http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/feb_02.html ----- Original Message -----
found it go here http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/feb_02.html ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Catdesign
go here too http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/apr_02.html guess I should have read more before my last emailChris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
go here too http://www.eaa292.org/noon_patrol/apr_02.html guess I should have read more before my last emailChris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Original Posted By: "Catdesign"
> My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for salein our piets? >Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for thepiet? Are >other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if sodescribe and >inform if you would please.If you are interested, my center section wing tank is nearing completionas we speak (er - write.) I am doing a fiberglass tank with internalbaffles, flush mounted filler cap and electric (universal type) fuellevel sender. So as to save time on this list, you may view it on mybuilder's log athttp://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/win ... ection.htm Tom StinemetzeMcPherson, Kansas____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________
> My question is.....who out their is building wing tanks for salein our piets? >Or...is there a place where one can order one specific for thepiet? Are >other members adding extra fuel tanks more extended flight? if sodescribe and >inform if you would please.If you are interested, my center section wing tank is nearing completionas we speak (er - write.) I am doing a fiberglass tank with internalbaffles, flush mounted filler cap and electric (universal type) fuellevel sender. So as to save time on this list, you may view it on mybuilder's log athttp://www.eaa1344.com/Projects/Stinemetze/win ... ection.htm Tom StinemetzeMcPherson, Kansas____ | ____ 8/ / ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline production, how longwill it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can argue that the FAAwon't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas production.Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this before, but atEAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and one of the guysclaimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What next? Leon S. InKs. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline production, how longwill it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can argue that the FAAwon't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas production.Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this before, but atEAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and one of the guysclaimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What next? Leon S. InKs. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.________________________________________________________________________________
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lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) wrote:Has anyone investigated the idea of using thin stainless steel as a alternative toaluminum or any other material for fuel tanks.Bruce Kirk bkirk(at)yccd.edu>(Leon Stefan)> > With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline >production, how long> will it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can >argue that the FAA> won't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas >production.> Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this >before, but at> EAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and >one of the guys> claimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What >next? Leon S. In> Ks. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.> > >page,>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ist>Forums!> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
lshutks(at)webtv.net (Leon Stefan) wrote:Has anyone investigated the idea of using thin stainless steel as a alternative toaluminum or any other material for fuel tanks.Bruce Kirk bkirk(at)yccd.edu>(Leon Stefan)> > With av-gas beeing such a small volume of gasoline >production, how long> will it be before alcohol shows up in av gas? You can >argue that the FAA> won't allow it, but the gas co'c can simply stop av gas >production.> Then it's car gas only, for every one. I mentioned this >before, but at> EAA a few months ago a discussion on alcohol came up and >one of the guys> claimed alcohol can and does attack aluminum too. What >next? Leon S. In> Ks. with another damn snow storm raging outside again.> > >page,>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ist>Forums!> > > ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Mark:If you stick to the plans. as my Piet was built. the following engines were mounted.Ford A. Ford B, Warner 145 ( 500 ) cu In. back to Ford B With Weber Carb,Lambert 90 HP, again back to Ford B w/ fuel injection. All were mounted on the original fire wall design and engine mounts and Never aloose joint or an item of concern. Keep in mind all the necessary other itemsthat require changes with each engine. Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation adjusted.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Mark:If you stick to the plans. as my Piet was built. the following engines were mounted.Ford A. Ford B, Warner 145 ( 500 ) cu In. back to Ford B With Weber Carb,Lambert 90 HP, again back to Ford B w/ fuel injection. All were mounted on the original fire wall design and engine mounts and Never aloose joint or an item of concern. Keep in mind all the necessary other itemsthat require changes with each engine. Sure would like to try a Ranger. might require the wing relocation adjusted.Pieti LowellRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Dick N"
I am not contemplating doing anything additional right now to prolong my build,but another build site has been talking about making fuel tanks and the methodof using galvanized sheet metal and putting it together with screws and solderingover the seams and screws seemed to be a logical method to me. I plan atsome point on making a tank I could fit up in my center wing section and gravityfeeding to the main tank. wouldn't hold a lot but 4 or 5 gallons would surerelax the time before needing to land. i get a little nervous if I'm flyingstrange country with less than an hour's reserve.just thought I'd bring up themethod in case anybody has wondered about tank construction. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I am not contemplating doing anything additional right now to prolong my build,but another build site has been talking about making fuel tanks and the methodof using galvanized sheet metal and putting it together with screws and solderingover the seams and screws seemed to be a logical method to me. I plan atsome point on making a tank I could fit up in my center wing section and gravityfeeding to the main tank. wouldn't hold a lot but 4 or 5 gallons would surerelax the time before needing to land. i get a little nervous if I'm flyingstrange country with less than an hour's reserve.just thought I'd bring up themethod in case anybody has wondered about tank construction. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Oscar,N8031 slips very well but I have noticed that the rudder, when fully deflected, will stay in that position if I do not apply opposite pedal. Does yours do the same? How about other people's Piets? I think this is due to the lack of a gap seal on the vertical stabilzer.Thanks,Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> >>>> Jeff wrote:>>> Further, the Piet really likes to slip. I'd like others'>> opinions on this, but since I've become comfortable with>> slips in the Piet, I've been thinking that if it all went>> pear-shaped one day, and I had to get the plane down on a>> spot with almost no open ground, I could slip right into it,>> right to the ground, and walk away, even if it totalled the>> plane. There is that much control and the speed can be that>> low.>> I would have to agree. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3 Cub> and practically every landing was made with a slip on final> to adjust the approach. I was taught not to make long, flat> draggy approaches and to always make my approaches with> power off, so you always carried a little extra altitude that> you trimmed off by slipping on final. The use of power to> adjust the approach was usually met with the feel of the> instructor's unseen hand pulling the throttle back to the stop.> It's all about energy management.>> I like to operate off of the grassy part of the field at my> home base at San Geronimo, where the final approach involves> dropping the airplane in over some trees that are maybe 20-25> feet tall. If I slip it in pretty steep to drop in over the> trees, I can do my landing and rollout on grass and never> even get to the paved hard-surface runway. I have come in> ridiculously high on final, thrown the airplane into a hard> slip, and still made the grass. It's great fun and, like Jeff> says, you can put the airplane into very small spots...> especially in a pinch, where an intentional groundloop would> be an acceptable alternative to something worse. A standard> sized football field would be an incredible extravagance of> space to land in, and no sweat at all in a Piet.>> PS, I think the national motto here in South Texas is, "never> put off tomorrow what you can put off today". I think I'll> go take a siesta...>> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio, TX> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Oscar,N8031 slips very well but I have noticed that the rudder, when fully deflected, will stay in that position if I do not apply opposite pedal. Does yours do the same? How about other people's Piets? I think this is due to the lack of a gap seal on the vertical stabilzer.Thanks,Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 23, 2010, at 11:09 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> >>>> Jeff wrote:>>> Further, the Piet really likes to slip. I'd like others'>> opinions on this, but since I've become comfortable with>> slips in the Piet, I've been thinking that if it all went>> pear-shaped one day, and I had to get the plane down on a>> spot with almost no open ground, I could slip right into it,>> right to the ground, and walk away, even if it totalled the>> plane. There is that much control and the speed can be that>> low.>> I would have to agree. I learned to fly in a 40HP J-3 Cub> and practically every landing was made with a slip on final> to adjust the approach. I was taught not to make long, flat> draggy approaches and to always make my approaches with> power off, so you always carried a little extra altitude that> you trimmed off by slipping on final. The use of power to> adjust the approach was usually met with the feel of the> instructor's unseen hand pulling the throttle back to the stop.> It's all about energy management.>> I like to operate off of the grassy part of the field at my> home base at San Geronimo, where the final approach involves> dropping the airplane in over some trees that are maybe 20-25> feet tall. If I slip it in pretty steep to drop in over the> trees, I can do my landing and rollout on grass and never> even get to the paved hard-surface runway. I have come in> ridiculously high on final, thrown the airplane into a hard> slip, and still made the grass. It's great fun and, like Jeff> says, you can put the airplane into very small spots...> especially in a pinch, where an intentional groundloop would> be an acceptable alternative to something worse. A standard> sized football field would be an incredible extravagance of> space to land in, and no sweat at all in a Piet.>> PS, I think the national motto here in South Texas is, "never> put off tomorrow what you can put off today". I think I'll> go take a siesta...>> Oscar Zuniga> Air Camper NX41CC> San Antonio, TX> mailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.com> website at http://www.flysquirrel.net>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Have any of you made your own tank from galvanized metal ? and if so how successfulwere you in soldering up the joints? I am getting mine together right nowfor my center section and hope to be able to start soldering in a week or twoif work and life doesn't slow me down too much.anyway just wanted to pick thebrain of experienced solder hands either on or off-list.I have some acid coresolder and access to 3 fairly heavy soldering irons I can borrow if I decideto try it myself. been a lot of years since high school and my only time to doit with heated irons in a furnace.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Have any of you made your own tank from galvanized metal ? and if so how successfulwere you in soldering up the joints? I am getting mine together right nowfor my center section and hope to be able to start soldering in a week or twoif work and life doesn't slow me down too much.anyway just wanted to pick thebrain of experienced solder hands either on or off-list.I have some acid coresolder and access to 3 fairly heavy soldering irons I can borrow if I decideto try it myself. been a lot of years since high school and my only time to doit with heated irons in a furnace.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
Dan I think that I would look for a cable binding or hinge bind. I have not gottenmy rudder cables installed yet but have stretched building strings and I cansee that routing will be a challenge to get good geometry and no rubbing theframework. Why not sit the fuselage on blocks so the tailwheel hangs free andsee what it does. If the hinges are not pretty close to where a single straightrod could pass through they will bind some where along the arc (personal experienceon a stereo cabinet from years ago.....I said aw thats close enuff.NOT).--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Dan I think that I would look for a cable binding or hinge bind. I have not gottenmy rudder cables installed yet but have stretched building strings and I cansee that routing will be a challenge to get good geometry and no rubbing theframework. Why not sit the fuselage on blocks so the tailwheel hangs free andsee what it does. If the hinges are not pretty close to where a single straightrod could pass through they will bind some where along the arc (personal experienceon a stereo cabinet from years ago.....I said aw thats close enuff.NOT).--------Jerry Dotson59 Daniel Johnson RdBaker, FL 32531Started building NX510JD July, 2009Ribs and tailfeathers doneusing Lycoming O-235Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Dale Johnson"
Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal hot and burningthe galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd never get a good jointseal.I suppose Proseal is always an option but I'd rather not use it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal hot and burningthe galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd never get a good jointseal.I suppose Proseal is always an option but I'd rather not use it.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By:> skellytown flyer
I tryed to build a tank from galvanized metal. Used copper pop rivits withrosen core solder.It started to leak afer about 40 hrs.I don't know how you plan to get theacid from the inside.In time the acid will eat through.Dale> [Original Message]
I tryed to build a tank from galvanized metal. Used copper pop rivits withrosen core solder.It started to leak afer about 40 hrs.I don't know how you plan to get theacid from the inside.In time the acid will eat through.Dale> [Original Message]
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Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, after all.The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at the tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny that) but the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt the zinc and would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it holds fuel.Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 23, 2010, at 6:16 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:> >>> Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal > hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd > never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is always an option > but I'd rather not use it.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, after all.The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at the tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny that) but the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt the zinc and would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it holds fuel.Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 23, 2010, at 6:16 PM, skellytown flyer wrote:> >>> Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal > hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd > never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is always an option > but I'd rather not use it.>>________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
I was thinking about a good sloshing with a water and baking soda solution andthen a lot of hot water at the car wash. what do you think?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
I was thinking about a good sloshing with a water and baking soda solution andthen a lot of hot water at the car wash. what do you think?Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the zinc WERE burned off, I'd think solder would flow to those areas and you'd be OK. If the galvanizing merely melted, it would mix with the solder - still shouldn't be a problem. Most of my soldering experience is on copper & brass pipe, but from what I've observed, with adequate flux, solder will flow to anyplace there's a properly cleaned surface, but no further.I'd avoid acid core, rosin core or any kind of core & go strictly with brushed on flux.Kip GardnerOn May 23, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:>> I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, > after all.>> The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The > maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at > the tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny > that) but the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt > the zinc and would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.>> You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it > holds fuel.>> Dan>> -- > yocum(at)gmail.com>> On May 23, 2010, at 6:16 PM, skellytown flyer > wrote:>>> >>>> Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin >> metal hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that >> happened I'd never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is >> always an option but I'd rather not use it.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the zinc WERE burned off, I'd think solder would flow to those areas and you'd be OK. If the galvanizing merely melted, it would mix with the solder - still shouldn't be a problem. Most of my soldering experience is on copper & brass pipe, but from what I've observed, with adequate flux, solder will flow to anyplace there's a properly cleaned surface, but no further.I'd avoid acid core, rosin core or any kind of core & go strictly with brushed on flux.Kip GardnerOn May 23, 2010, at 9:37 PM, Dan Yocum wrote:>> I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, > after all.>> The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The > maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at > the tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny > that) but the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt > the zinc and would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.>> You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it > holds fuel.>> Dan>> -- > yocum(at)gmail.com>> On May 23, 2010, at 6:16 PM, skellytown flyer > wrote:>>> >>>> Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin >> metal hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that >> happened I'd never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is >> always an option but I'd rather not use it.>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Soft solder is NOT a structuraly sound material.It's one thing to solder a copper water pipe. It'scompletely another to soft solder the joints in a fueltank.Also you have to remove the zinc from the steelto expect any kind of safe joint. So tell me, Areyou prepared to varnish all the wood and gussetsin your plane and THEN glue them together? No?Why would you do the same with sheets of steel?Varnish is a coating and so is zinc. Nothing more.The minimum you might get away with is silversolder. Brazing is a significant step up from that.Then welding is the strongest but somewhatdifficult on such thin material.It's a long way down from up there. Especially if you'recovered in gasoline.Clif"Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty."- Mark Twain, writer and humorist> I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, after> all.> The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The > maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at the> tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny that) but> the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt the zinc and> would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.> You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it holds> fuel.>> Dan>> > Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal>> hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd>> never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is always an option>> but I'd rather not use it.________________________________________________________________________________
Soft solder is NOT a structuraly sound material.It's one thing to solder a copper water pipe. It'scompletely another to soft solder the joints in a fueltank.Also you have to remove the zinc from the steelto expect any kind of safe joint. So tell me, Areyou prepared to varnish all the wood and gussetsin your plane and THEN glue them together? No?Why would you do the same with sheets of steel?Varnish is a coating and so is zinc. Nothing more.The minimum you might get away with is silversolder. Brazing is a significant step up from that.Then welding is the strongest but somewhatdifficult on such thin material.It's a long way down from up there. Especially if you'recovered in gasoline.Clif"Education: the path from cocky ignorance to miserable uncertainty."- Mark Twain, writer and humorist> I don't *think* it will burn off the zinc - it's only propane, after> all.> The melting point of zinc is 400C, the boiling point is 900C. The > maximum temp of a propane flame is 1995C. You might get that at the> tip of the blue cone (Mike C. probably can corfurm or deny that) but> the temp of the tip of the yellow probably wouldn't melt the zinc and> would melt the solder which melts at 180-190C.> You might as well build up a small box and solder and see if it holds> fuel.>> Dan>> > Well that may be true but I am worried about getting the thin metal>> hot and burning the galvanize away. 'm afraid if that happened I'd>> never get a good joint seal.I suppose Proseal is always an option>> but I'd rather not use it.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Regardless of the type of flux, whether a brushed-on liquid or paste, or in thecore of the solder, it will need to be neutralized with the baking soda solutionto prevent oxidation of the metal. The whole purpose of the flux is to removeany coatings or impurities from the surface of the metal so that the solderwill make the proper mechanical bond with the steel. And when the heat hitsthe metal, the flux will run to places that it wasn't intended to go. There'sno reason a properly riveted and soldered galvanized tank would be unsafe orunusable for a Piet. Plus, it can be used with either avgas or autogas interchangeablywithout fear of ethanol dissolving the resin as it might in a fiberglasstank. This is how I plan to do my tank when I get to that point (stillprobably years away from that point...).Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILkipandbeth(at)earthlink.n wrote:> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the zinc WERE burned off, I'd think > solder would flow to those areas and you'd be OK. If the galvanizing > merely melted, it would mix with the solder - still shouldn't be a > problem. Most of my soldering experience is on copper & brass pipe, > but from what I've observed, with adequate flux, solder will flow to > anyplace there's a properly cleaned surface, but no further.> > I'd avoid acid core, rosin core or any kind of core & go strictly > with brushed on flux.> > Kip Gardner> > > > > > > > --------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtailfeathers almost doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT)
Regardless of the type of flux, whether a brushed-on liquid or paste, or in thecore of the solder, it will need to be neutralized with the baking soda solutionto prevent oxidation of the metal. The whole purpose of the flux is to removeany coatings or impurities from the surface of the metal so that the solderwill make the proper mechanical bond with the steel. And when the heat hitsthe metal, the flux will run to places that it wasn't intended to go. There'sno reason a properly riveted and soldered galvanized tank would be unsafe orunusable for a Piet. Plus, it can be used with either avgas or autogas interchangeablywithout fear of ethanol dissolving the resin as it might in a fiberglasstank. This is how I plan to do my tank when I get to that point (stillprobably years away from that point...).Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILkipandbeth(at)earthlink.n wrote:> Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the zinc WERE burned off, I'd think > solder would flow to those areas and you'd be OK. If the galvanizing > merely melted, it would mix with the solder - still shouldn't be a > problem. Most of my soldering experience is on copper & brass pipe, > but from what I've observed, with adequate flux, solder will flow to > anyplace there's a properly cleaned surface, but no further.> > I'd avoid acid core, rosin core or any kind of core & go strictly > with brushed on flux.> > Kip Gardner> > > > > > > > --------Billy McCaskillUrbana, ILtailfeathers almost doneRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 05:59:55 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Dave Abramson"
OK, That's different. The original message said nothingabout rivets.Clif> > I don't think Raymond is proposing to use just solder - the tank > should be riveted together and the solder only used as the sealant. > Dan>> Soft solder is NOT a structuraly sound material.>> It's one thing to solder a copper water pipe. It's>> completely another to soft solder the joints in a fuel>> tank.________________________________________________________________________________
OK, That's different. The original message said nothingabout rivets.Clif> > I don't think Raymond is proposing to use just solder - the tank > should be riveted together and the solder only used as the sealant. > Dan>> Soft solder is NOT a structuraly sound material.>> It's one thing to solder a copper water pipe. It's>> completely another to soft solder the joints in a fuel>> tank.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Hello Folks!The Sprit Of St. Louis" had a riveted / soldered fuel tank! That was oneBIG #@& fuel tank!(well, the main tank anyway)Dave -----Original Message-----
Hello Folks!The Sprit Of St. Louis" had a riveted / soldered fuel tank! That was oneBIG #@& fuel tank!(well, the main tank anyway)Dave -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Rick,The tank holds exactly 19 gallons. I made a cardboard mockup to check fit and clearance.There is plenty of room for the front passenger and the rudder pedals.The slope on the tank is great enough that the sump won't unport in a highclimb angle. During construction I put in two fore/aft baffles.Attached is a side view drawing of the tank showing the relation to the fuselagefloor, the firewall and the top longeron.Rick SchreiberVPZ N5936D________________________________________________________________________________
Rick,The tank holds exactly 19 gallons. I made a cardboard mockup to check fit and clearance.There is plenty of room for the front passenger and the rudder pedals.The slope on the tank is great enough that the sump won't unport in a highclimb angle. During construction I put in two fore/aft baffles.Attached is a side view drawing of the tank showing the relation to the fuselagefloor, the firewall and the top longeron.Rick SchreiberVPZ N5936D________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Original Posted By: "VanDy"
Is there a formula for figuring out the size of the cooling eyebrows? I'veseen some that look pretty small and tight and some that look a bit likedragonfly wings. Is there a minimum opening size?Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Is there a formula for figuring out the size of the cooling eyebrows? I'veseen some that look pretty small and tight and some that look a bit likedragonfly wings. Is there a minimum opening size?Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Original Posted By: "coxwelljon"
Just measured mine "Grandpa's" its 10.5' from firewall to the rear bolt, the Fuselageis 14'6" long, not sure if thats the long or short fuse... and the wingis back 6" from straight up. Grandpa said its a little nose heavy, but thegreat thing about the wing that far back is when it rains the drops from thewing miss the cockpit :)Once i get it recovered i'll be doing another weight and balance to set it up bestfor me, at 200lbs, as a point of reference when gpa built the Piet in '76he was 6'6" and 275 pounds.--------www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Just measured mine "Grandpa's" its 10.5' from firewall to the rear bolt, the Fuselageis 14'6" long, not sure if thats the long or short fuse... and the wingis back 6" from straight up. Grandpa said its a little nose heavy, but thegreat thing about the wing that far back is when it rains the drops from thewing miss the cockpit :)Once i get it recovered i'll be doing another weight and balance to set it up bestfor me, at 200lbs, as a point of reference when gpa built the Piet in '76he was 6'6" and 275 pounds.--------www.vansavition.com follow my Piet rebuild there!Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair motor mount
Pietenpol-List: Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing
Original Posted By: "coxwelljon"
Are you nose or tail heavy Jon? If the tail needs lightened wouldn't you want tomove the engine forward? (I know you can't move the wing back). Rick,You are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. I really do not knowif I am nose or tail heavy. The previous builder had the plane assembled withthe engine prior to doing any covering. In fact he used the plane as a testbed to run in the engine. Unfortunately he did not have any data on weight takenat that time. My reading tells me that many Piets are tail heavy and GN-1'seven more so due to the heavier fuselage structure behind the cockpit. Previousbuilders of my project did not cut corners with weight. Bolt sizes aregenerally one size larger, some wood members oversized, 1" unrouted, unsandedspars, landing gear cross members are heavier than plans, etc. With all of thisI am eliminating as much weight as possible where I can without starting newand paying special attention to the areas behind the cockpit as they have along lever arm. I am thinking that I need to take some time before winter andassemble everything just for a temporary W&B. In my case since I plan to usethe engine location as my balancer.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing
Are you nose or tail heavy Jon? If the tail needs lightened wouldn't you want tomove the engine forward? (I know you can't move the wing back). Rick,You are absolutely right. Thanks for pointing that out. I really do not knowif I am nose or tail heavy. The previous builder had the plane assembled withthe engine prior to doing any covering. In fact he used the plane as a testbed to run in the engine. Unfortunately he did not have any data on weight takenat that time. My reading tells me that many Piets are tail heavy and GN-1'seven more so due to the heavier fuselage structure behind the cockpit. Previousbuilders of my project did not cut corners with weight. Bolt sizes aregenerally one size larger, some wood members oversized, 1" unrouted, unsandedspars, landing gear cross members are heavier than plans, etc. With all of thisI am eliminating as much weight as possible where I can without starting newand paying special attention to the areas behind the cockpit as they have along lever arm. I am thinking that I need to take some time before winter andassemble everything just for a temporary W&B. In my case since I plan to usethe engine location as my balancer.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: cooling "eyebrow" sizing
Re: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Original Posted By: Rick Holland
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Pietenpol-List: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Douwe Blumberg"
Hi Mario,I agree that to get 12 gallons in a wing tank that isn't higher than thestandard airfoil will probably need a flat bottom.With a flat bottom I would be concerned with having just one rear outlet,even with a large sump. I would also suggest a rear drain and a frontdrain, both with large sumps. I like a large sump that so that there willalways be a "head" of fuel by each drain, mine are made from half an oldRussian army canteen turned on it's side and holds almost half a quart andis nicely streamlined. Sloping the tank bottom to one side isn't a bad ideaeither and since most landings are turns to the left, I guess being on theleft side is a good idea. Whatever you do, be sure the rear drain is the low spot in the three-pointposition so any water in the tank will collect there and you can drain it.Then when you drain your gascolator at the bottom of the whole system, youshould be safe from water problems.A header tank can help as mentioned, but it does add some complexity andsome weight. A reliable, single wing tank of 12 gallons should certainly beable to be designed without needing a header tank.I went overboard and have three drains, which I admit is probably too much,but it is hard to imagine a scenario where landing with low fuel will causea problem.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Hi Mario,I agree that to get 12 gallons in a wing tank that isn't higher than thestandard airfoil will probably need a flat bottom.With a flat bottom I would be concerned with having just one rear outlet,even with a large sump. I would also suggest a rear drain and a frontdrain, both with large sumps. I like a large sump that so that there willalways be a "head" of fuel by each drain, mine are made from half an oldRussian army canteen turned on it's side and holds almost half a quart andis nicely streamlined. Sloping the tank bottom to one side isn't a bad ideaeither and since most landings are turns to the left, I guess being on theleft side is a good idea. Whatever you do, be sure the rear drain is the low spot in the three-pointposition so any water in the tank will collect there and you can drain it.Then when you drain your gascolator at the bottom of the whole system, youshould be safe from water problems.A header tank can help as mentioned, but it does add some complexity andsome weight. A reliable, single wing tank of 12 gallons should certainly beable to be designed without needing a header tank.I went overboard and have three drains, which I admit is probably too much,but it is hard to imagine a scenario where landing with low fuel will causea problem.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "tools"
I'll be back with the plane next week... but...It's a line coming out of the top of the tank, then goes down by the gascolator,where there's a simple ball valve. If there's head pressure from the wing tank,it will push any air or gas out the line and just down on the ground. Youcould put the valve right on the tank, but when it over flows (when you manuallyopen the valve) it would get all over the place. So, when I test it, I have to run enough gas out to account for the volume of fuelin that little line from the tank to the valve, just a few ounces. If I seea hesitation in the flow, I know I've purged some air from the top of the headertank. In my case, the line coming out of the header is on the top, at thefront, where any air would be while it's sitting on the ground, tail low. It's a very very simple system, with hardware store components. The ball valveis actually a gas line valve, kinda hard to twist by hand. It's simple 1/4"copper line plumbing.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
I'll be back with the plane next week... but...It's a line coming out of the top of the tank, then goes down by the gascolator,where there's a simple ball valve. If there's head pressure from the wing tank,it will push any air or gas out the line and just down on the ground. Youcould put the valve right on the tank, but when it over flows (when you manuallyopen the valve) it would get all over the place. So, when I test it, I have to run enough gas out to account for the volume of fuelin that little line from the tank to the valve, just a few ounces. If I seea hesitation in the flow, I know I've purged some air from the top of the headertank. In my case, the line coming out of the header is on the top, at thefront, where any air would be while it's sitting on the ground, tail low. It's a very very simple system, with hardware store components. The ball valveis actually a gas line valve, kinda hard to twist by hand. It's simple 1/4"copper line plumbing.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "giacummo"
You're welcome. I have no idea if it's "normal" or not! It's just how Dick setup 2RN and I like it. Simple, makes a lot of sense. I also like Mario's ideaof the sump. Again, which may or may not be "normal". I'm still new to thisgeneral aviation thing and cutting your teeth in "experimental" aviation isseveral orders of magnitude away from a normal I know nothing about... ya know?!Sad truth of the matter is that's there's just a lot of ways to mort yourself.I've come to the conclusion that doing what makes the most sense to YOU (theuser) is probably close to right, as you're more likely to operate in a mannerthat is appropriate to your own setup. Still, the more we discuss our own understandingof shortfalls and such of various methods is invaluable.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
You're welcome. I have no idea if it's "normal" or not! It's just how Dick setup 2RN and I like it. Simple, makes a lot of sense. I also like Mario's ideaof the sump. Again, which may or may not be "normal". I'm still new to thisgeneral aviation thing and cutting your teeth in "experimental" aviation isseveral orders of magnitude away from a normal I know nothing about... ya know?!Sad truth of the matter is that's there's just a lot of ways to mort yourself.I've come to the conclusion that doing what makes the most sense to YOU (theuser) is probably close to right, as you're more likely to operate in a mannerthat is appropriate to your own setup. Still, the more we discuss our own understandingof shortfalls and such of various methods is invaluable.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front thanthe rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litlemore in the back sump.thanks to all.--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________
That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front thanthe rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litlemore in the back sump.thanks to all.--------Mario GiacummoPhotos here: http://goo.gl/wh7M4Little Blog : http://vgmk1.blogspot.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc0 ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It doesrise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me tokeep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothlycurved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittingsinside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.ClifAll life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph Waldo Emerson> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front > than the rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons > plus a litle more in the back sump.> thanks to all.> Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It doesrise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me tokeep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothlycurved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittingsinside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.ClifAll life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph Waldo Emerson> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front > than the rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons > plus a litle more in the back sump.> thanks to all.> Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?Fantastic work, no matter the material!Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Sep 7, 2013, at 7:43 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.> My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It does> rise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me to> keep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothly> curved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittings> inside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.> > Clif> All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph WaldoEmerson> > >> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front thanthe rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litlemore in the back sump.>> thanks to all.>> Mario Giacummo> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?Fantastic work, no matter the material!Thanks,Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Sep 7, 2013, at 7:43 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> For whatever it's worth now, here's a pic of my 22 gal. tank.> My center section is 36"wide and the tank is 32" wide. It does> rise above the wing about 2" as well. This way allows me to> keep the fuel line and shutoff really simple, smoothly> curved and in the open. No extra lines and 90 fittings> inside the fuselage and no hole in the firewall.> > Clif> All life is an experiment. The more experiments you make the better. -Ralph WaldoEmerson> > >> That is what I am going to do. The bottom is flat, but higher in the front thanthe rear, and number more number less it will accept 12.4 gallons plus a litlemore in the back sump.>> thanks to all.>> Mario Giacummo> > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Mario Giacummo
Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with"chrome" paint. The top will be the same as thewing.> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>> Thanks,>> Ray Krause>________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with"chrome" paint. The top will be the same as thewing.> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>> Thanks,>> Ray Krause>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: Ray Krause
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tankThank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nicetank;An other little question.. gascolator?RegardsMario Giacummo2013/9/8 Clif Dawson >> Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the> wing.>>> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>>>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>>>> Thanks,>>>> Ray Krause>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tankThank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nicetank;An other little question.. gascolator?RegardsMario Giacummo2013/9/8 Clif Dawson >> Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the> wing.>>> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>>>> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>>>> Thanks,>>>> Ray Krause>>>>>>________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of the tank.Did you carve it from foam?Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Sep 7, 2013, at 11:29 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> > Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the> wing.> > >> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>> >> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>> >> Thanks,>> >> Ray Krause>> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of the tank.Did you carve it from foam?Ray KrauseSent from my iPadOn Sep 7, 2013, at 11:29 PM, "Clif Dawson" wrote:> > Thanks Ray. Fiberglass. The bottom is painted with> "chrome" paint. The top will be the same as the> wing.> > >> Is this tank metal or fiberglass? If metal,how did you make the sump area?>> >> Fantastic work, no matter the material!>> >> Thanks,>> >> Ray Krause>> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
Ah, Gascolator. That came from an oddball new/usedparts place near here. The top casting has 3/8 pipethreaded holes so is equal to the rest of the system.Here's a couple of pics. The line to the carb is asuphill as I could get it.ClifThank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nice tank; An other little question.. gascolator? Regards Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
Ah, Gascolator. That came from an oddball new/usedparts place near here. The top casting has 3/8 pipethreaded holes so is equal to the rest of the system.Here's a couple of pics. The line to the carb is asuphill as I could get it.ClifThank you Clif, I saw your photos from years now!!! you did a very nice tank; An other little question.. gascolator? Regards Mario Giacummo________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel tank
Original Posted By: John Franklin
Now you tell me!
The plug was a "lost foam" thingFiberglassed on the outside as a bottom first with a "skirt"divider the curve of the wing top. When that cured Icleaned up the skirt area, removing same from thefiberglass. Then lots of mold release was applied andthe top glassed on. Separated the thing at that skirtline, dug out and cleaned off the foam and relase agent.Installed some fiberglass sheet inside to control surgingand put the thing together.Pic is of the bottom before cleaning it up. Note thecolour of the vinyl-ester resin.Clif>> Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of > the tank. Did you carve it from foam?>> Ray Krause________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:58:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
Now you tell me!
The plug was a "lost foam" thingFiberglassed on the outside as a bottom first with a "skirt"divider the curve of the wing top. When that cured Icleaned up the skirt area, removing same from thefiberglass. Then lots of mold release was applied andthe top glassed on. Separated the thing at that skirtline, dug out and cleaned off the foam and relase agent.Installed some fiberglass sheet inside to control surgingand put the thing together.Pic is of the bottom before cleaning it up. Note thecolour of the vinyl-ester resin.Clif>> Thanks! You should rent out the plug you made for at least the bottom of > the tank. Did you carve it from foam?>> Ray Krause________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 9 Sep 2013 06:58:11 -0500 (GMT-05:00)> fuel tank
Original Posted By: jmcnarry(at)techplus.com (John McNarry)
> Subject: fuel tank> > > What does everyone think about the center> section wing tank?> ________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: fuel tank> > > What does everyone think about the center> section wing tank?> ________________________________________________________________________________
>> fuel tank
Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
>> Subject: fuel tank>> >> >> What does everyone think about the center>> section wing tank?>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
>> Subject: fuel tank>> >> >> What does everyone think about the center>> section wing tank?>> >>________________________________________________________________________________
> fuel tank
Original Posted By: B and V Dearinger
> Subject: fuel tank> > > What does everyone think about the center section wing tank?> ________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: fuel tank> > > What does everyone think about the center section wing tank?> ________________________________________________________________________________
> > fuel tank
Original Posted By: Ken Beanlands
> > Subject: fuel tank> >> >> > What does everyone think about the center section wing tank?> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
> > Subject: fuel tank> >> >> > What does everyone think about the center section wing tank?> >--David B.Schober, CPEInstructor, Aviation MaintenanceFairmont State CollegeNational Aerospace Education Center1050 East Benedum Industrial DriveBridgeport, WV 26330-9503(304) 842-8300________________________________________________________________________________
>> fuel tank
Original Posted By: nle97(at)juno.com
>> Subject: fuel tank>> >> >> What does everyone think about the center section wing >tank?>> __________________________________________________________________________________________
>> Subject: fuel tank>> >> >> What does everyone think about the center section wing >tank?>> __________________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank>>> Have any of you made your own tank from galvanized metal ? and if so howsuccessful were you in soldering up the joints? I am getting mine togetherright now for my center section and hope to be able to start soldering in aweek or two if work and life doesn't slow me down too much.anyway justwanted to pick the brain of experienced solder hands either on oroff-list.I have some acid core solder and access to 3 fairly heavysoldering irons I can borrow if I decide to try it myself. been a lot ofyears since high school and my only time to do it with heated irons in afurnace.Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:56:13 -0400
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tank>>> Have any of you made your own tank from galvanized metal ? and if so howsuccessful were you in soldering up the joints? I am getting mine togetherright now for my center section and hope to be able to start soldering in aweek or two if work and life doesn't slow me down too much.anyway justwanted to pick the brain of experienced solder hands either on oroff-list.I have some acid core solder and access to 3 fairly heavysoldering irons I can borrow if I decide to try it myself. been a lot ofyears since high school and my only time to do it with heated irons in afurnace.Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:56:13 -0400