Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Pietenpol-List: saving time John-- if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAA for about $75.These will save you time so you order the right hardware, right steel (steel has a grain direction and can't be bent across the grain.....I didn't know thatwhen I started building) the right wood, the right stuff that will save you tons of time by not having to re-do your mistakes.Those books paid for themselves over and over again in TIME and money saved on my project.It is great to plan, to go to Brodhead, to take notes, photos, measurements, ask questions, review the archives---but this plane takes as muchtime to think about as it does to build. I have tons of notes, scratch pad ideas, things I would modify, change, change again, read about howto do and the actual doing took far less time than the planning so planning is good, for sure but listing materials for the plane is about one ofyour shorter tasks in a 3-8 year project.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: saving time
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Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: correction---steel should be bent perpendicular to the grain (printing on the steel sheet)Funny thing about the Piet is that you just don't place one order for materials. You will be on a first namebasis with the people at Wicks, your hardware source, your fabric and finishing source, and your UPS man or woman in shortorder while building a scratch-built plane.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: correction---steel should be bent perpendicular to the grain (printing on the steel sheet)Funny thing about the Piet is that you just don't place one order for materials. You will be on a first namebasis with the people at Wicks, your hardware source, your fabric and finishing source, and your UPS man or woman in shortorder while building a scratch-built plane.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time Now that I have the full set of drawing and supplements that's the next thingon my list as far as publications to guide me through the process. "if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAA for about$75". That to me was a great part of the advise cycle I have already noted andintend on ordering within the next 2 weeks, along with joining the local chapterof the EAA.I am new to this process and all ears when it comes to information, research, tipsand tricks.Thanks againJohn -----Original Message-----John-- if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAA forabout $75. These will save you time so you order the right hardware, right steel (steel hasa grain direction and can't be bent across the grain.....I didn't know thatwhen I started building) the right wood, the right stuff that will save you tonsof time by not having to re-do your mistakes. Those books paid for themselves over and over again in TIME and money saved onmy project. It is great to plan, to go to Brodhead, to take notes, photos, measurements, askquestions, review the archives---but this plane takes as much time to think about as it does to build. I have tons of notes, scratch pad ideas,things I would modify, change, change again, read about how to do and the actual doing took far less time than the planning so planning isgood, for sure but listing materials for the plane is about one of your shorter tasks in a 3-8 year project. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time Now that I have the full set of drawing and supplements that's the next thingon my list as far as publications to guide me through the process. "if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAA for about$75". That to me was a great part of the advise cycle I have already noted andintend on ordering within the next 2 weeks, along with joining the local chapterof the EAA.I am new to this process and all ears when it comes to information, research, tipsand tricks.Thanks againJohn -----Original Message-----John-- if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAA forabout $75. These will save you time so you order the right hardware, right steel (steel hasa grain direction and can't be bent across the grain.....I didn't know thatwhen I started building) the right wood, the right stuff that will save you tonsof time by not having to re-do your mistakes. Those books paid for themselves over and over again in TIME and money saved onmy project. It is great to plan, to go to Brodhead, to take notes, photos, measurements, askquestions, review the archives---but this plane takes as much time to think about as it does to build. I have tons of notes, scratch pad ideas,things I would modify, change, change again, read about how to do and the actual doing took far less time than the planning so planning isgood, for sure but listing materials for the plane is about one of your shorter tasks in a 3-8 year project. Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List:
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good point about being on a first name basis with the UPS man. Ibrought him down to my basement one day to show him the Piet underconstruction. After that he never left a package out in the rain again,but brought them up to the front porch.Another reason no list of materials exists is because most builderspiecemeal it out, buying the stuff for the wings, then the fuselage,then the tail, etc, rather than all at once. I have no idea what partsI bought for mine. I've got all the invoices, and I know it tiotalled alittle over $7000 (not counting the engine), but it would take me a weekto compile a single list from it.If you are having it shipped, it is an advantage to order all the bigstuff (spars, longerons, sheets of plywood) that has to go by truckrather than UPS all at the same time to save on shipping. It costsabout $100 to ship by truck, whether it is just one spar or enoughlumber to buidl three airplanes.Jack PhillipsAbout to put my brain in neutral and order a Kit, so I can become anairplane assembler instead of a builder.-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MichaelD CuySent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:31 PMcorrection---steel should be bent perpendicular to the grain (printingon the steel sheet)Funny thing about the Piet is that you just don't place one order for materials. You will be on a first namebasis with the people at Wicks, your hardware source, your fabric and finishing source, and your UPS man or woman in shortorder while building a scratch-built plane.Mike C._________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Good point about being on a first name basis with the UPS man. Ibrought him down to my basement one day to show him the Piet underconstruction. After that he never left a package out in the rain again,but brought them up to the front porch.Another reason no list of materials exists is because most builderspiecemeal it out, buying the stuff for the wings, then the fuselage,then the tail, etc, rather than all at once. I have no idea what partsI bought for mine. I've got all the invoices, and I know it tiotalled alittle over $7000 (not counting the engine), but it would take me a weekto compile a single list from it.If you are having it shipped, it is an advantage to order all the bigstuff (spars, longerons, sheets of plywood) that has to go by truckrather than UPS all at the same time to save on shipping. It costsabout $100 to ship by truck, whether it is just one spar or enoughlumber to buidl three airplanes.Jack PhillipsAbout to put my brain in neutral and order a Kit, so I can become anairplane assembler instead of a builder.-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of MichaelD CuySent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:31 PMcorrection---steel should be bent perpendicular to the grain (printingon the steel sheet)Funny thing about the Piet is that you just don't place one order for materials. You will be on a first namebasis with the people at Wicks, your hardware source, your fabric and finishing source, and your UPS man or woman in shortorder while building a scratch-built plane.Mike C._________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: saving time
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: saving time Buy a copy of AC 43.13B "Acceptable methods - Aircraft Inspection andRepair", too. I also found the EAA's book on aircraft welding to beuseful, but you probably know more about welding than I did when Istarted building (my dog did).Jack PhillipsPietenpol BuilderRV Assembler (soon)-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Ofamsafetyc(at)aol.comSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:49 PM Now that I have the full set of drawing and supplements that's the nextthing on my list as far as publications to guide me through the process."if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAAfor about $75". That to me was a great part of the advise cycle I havealready noted and intend on ordering within the next 2 weeks, along withjoining the local chapter of the EAA.I am new to this process and all ears when it comes to information,research, tips and tricks.Thanks againJohn -----Original Message----- John-- if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thruEAA for about $75. These will save you time so you order the right hardware, right steel(steel has a grain direction and can't be bent across the grain.....Ididn't know that when I started building) the right wood, the right stuff that will saveyou tons of time by not having to re-do your mistakes. Those books paid for themselves over and over again in TIME and moneysaved on my project. It is great to plan, to go to Brodhead, to take notes, photos,measurements, ask questions, review the archives---but this plane takesas much time to think about as it does to build. I have tons of notes, scratchpad ideas, things I would modify, change, change again, read about how to do and the actual doing took far less time than the planning soplanning is good, for sure but listing materials for the plane is aboutone of your shorter tasks in a 3-8 year project. Mike C. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: saving time Buy a copy of AC 43.13B "Acceptable methods - Aircraft Inspection andRepair", too. I also found the EAA's book on aircraft welding to beuseful, but you probably know more about welding than I did when Istarted building (my dog did).Jack PhillipsPietenpol BuilderRV Assembler (soon)-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Ofamsafetyc(at)aol.comSent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 3:49 PM Now that I have the full set of drawing and supplements that's the nextthing on my list as far as publications to guide me through the process."if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thru EAAfor about $75". That to me was a great part of the advise cycle I havealready noted and intend on ordering within the next 2 weeks, along withjoining the local chapter of the EAA.I am new to this process and all ears when it comes to information,research, tips and tricks.Thanks againJohn -----Original Message----- John-- if you want to save time, but the book set by Tony Bingelis thruEAA for about $75. These will save you time so you order the right hardware, right steel(steel has a grain direction and can't be bent across the grain.....Ididn't know that when I started building) the right wood, the right stuff that will saveyou tons of time by not having to re-do your mistakes. Those books paid for themselves over and over again in TIME and moneysaved on my project. It is great to plan, to go to Brodhead, to take notes, photos,measurements, ask questions, review the archives---but this plane takesas much time to think about as it does to build. I have tons of notes, scratchpad ideas, things I would modify, change, change again, read about how to do and the actual doing took far less time than the planning soplanning is good, for sure but listing materials for the plane is aboutone of your shorter tasks in a 3-8 year project. Mike C. _________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time
Original Posted By: KMHeide
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time Have the set (4) of Bengelis books and will probably never open any again. $40 plus UPS if anyone is interested.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time Have the set (4) of Bengelis books and will probably never open any again. $40 plus UPS if anyone is interested.Corky________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time
Original Posted By: Jeff Boatright
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time I am interested. Give me the details on completion of the deal.ThanksJohn Recine -----Original Message-----Have the set (4) of Bengelis books and will probably never open any again. $40 plus UPS if anyone is interested.Corky________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: saving time I am interested. Give me the details on completion of the deal.ThanksJohn Recine -----Original Message-----Have the set (4) of Bengelis books and will probably never open any again. $40 plus UPS if anyone is interested.Corky________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: saving time
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: saving timeAs Jack recommended AC43.13 is a good document to have. At least for getting andidea on judging wood quality. I bought one but it's also available as a FREEdownload from the FAA website at:http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... ight=43.13(If the link doesn't work and you can't paste it into a single line of your browser's URL box just go to http://www.faa.gov and click on the Regulations and Policies tab, then use the Advisory Circulars link on the upper left. You can search for it by just entering in 43.13)--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: saving timeAs Jack recommended AC43.13 is a good document to have. At least for getting andidea on judging wood quality. I bought one but it's also available as a FREEdownload from the FAA website at:http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_an ... ight=43.13(If the link doesn't work and you can't paste it into a single line of your browser's URL box just go to http://www.faa.gov and click on the Regulations and Policies tab, then use the Advisory Circulars link on the upper left. You can search for it by just entering in 43.13)--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________