Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansHey everyone,I have just recently changed my mind regarding the style of landing gearto put on my Air Camper (when I get to that stage). I had been going togo with the split gear, with springs instead of bungees, and big fat airtires (similar to what Ken Perkins has on his plane), but now I'm almostpositive I'm going to go with Jenny style straight axle wood gear andmotorcycle wheels. Why am I bothering you guys with this? Well, I waslooking over the plans in my copy of the Flying and Glider Manual fordetails about this gear, and I'll be darned if I can make out the fineprint. The quality of the printing leaves something to be desired (likereadability). I realize that most of the dimensions will need to be"tweaked" to match what I build, but I can't even make out the gages ofthe steel. Why did they reprint that stuff so small? Anyone that hasmanaged to build and successfully fly a plane from those plans deservesextra credit. So, here are my questions; Is my copy worse than most, oris everyone's FGM printing blurry? Does anyone out there have a clearlylegible copy of those landing gear plans? Are the thicknesses of thesteel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strutfitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? (at least that would be astarting point).Thanks,Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans
Original Posted By: Bill Church
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans>Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copy machine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can also scan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?Lower Turnbuckle 12gWing Strut Fitting 12gAll others appear to be 16gCross Tube 3/4"x20g1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans>Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copy machine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can also scan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?Lower Turnbuckle 12gWing Strut Fitting 12gAll others appear to be 16gCross Tube 3/4"x20g1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)Chris TracySacramento, Ca ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansBill,Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut andturnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy thatcame out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know.Jack TextorDes Moineswww.textors.com Hey everyone,I have just recently changed my mind regarding the style of landing gearto put on my Air Camper (when I get to that stage). I had been going togo with the split gear, with springs instead of bungees, and big fat airtires (similar to what Ken Perkins has on his plane), but now I'm almostpositive I'm going to go with Jenny style straight axle wood gear andmotorcycle wheels. Why am I bothering you guys with this? Well, I waslooking over the plans in my copy of the Flying and Glider Manual fordetails about this gear, and I'll be darned if I can make out the fineprint. The quality of the printing leaves something to be desired (likereadability). I realize that most of the dimensions will need to be"tweaked" to match what I build, but I can't even make out the gages ofthe steel. Why did they reprint that stuff so small? Anyone that hasmanaged to build and successfully fly a plane from those plans deservesextra credit. So, here are my questions; Is my copy worse than most, oris everyone's FGM printing blurry? Does anyone out there have a clearlylegible copy of those landing gear plans? Are the thicknesses of thesteel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strutfitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? (at least that would be astarting point).Thanks,Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansBill,Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut andturnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy thatcame out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know.Jack TextorDes Moineswww.textors.com Hey everyone,I have just recently changed my mind regarding the style of landing gearto put on my Air Camper (when I get to that stage). I had been going togo with the split gear, with springs instead of bungees, and big fat airtires (similar to what Ken Perkins has on his plane), but now I'm almostpositive I'm going to go with Jenny style straight axle wood gear andmotorcycle wheels. Why am I bothering you guys with this? Well, I waslooking over the plans in my copy of the Flying and Glider Manual fordetails about this gear, and I'll be darned if I can make out the fineprint. The quality of the printing leaves something to be desired (likereadability). I realize that most of the dimensions will need to be"tweaked" to match what I build, but I can't even make out the gages ofthe steel. Why did they reprint that stuff so small? Anyone that hasmanaged to build and successfully fly a plane from those plans deservesextra credit. So, here are my questions; Is my copy worse than most, oris everyone's FGM printing blurry? Does anyone out there have a clearlylegible copy of those landing gear plans? Are the thicknesses of thesteel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and the wing strutfitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts? (at least that would be astarting point).Thanks,Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansThank you, Chris,Magnifying glass, copy machine, scanner - they will all take a tiny blobof blurry ink and turn it into a bigger blob of blurry ink. My plansaren't just small, they're fuzzy too.The confirmation of the steel gages will definitely help. I should beable to fudge my way through the rest of the dimensions.How did all those people in the 1930's and later manage to successfullybuild flying airplanes using only these plans, and without theassistance of all you guys on this list. Hats off to them!Bill C.________________________________[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfCatdesignSent: June 30, 2006 10:00 AM>Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copymachine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can alsoscan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fittingand the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?Lower Turnbuckle 12gWing Strut Fitting 12gAll others appear to be 16gCross Tube 3/4"x20g1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)Chris TracySacramento, Ca________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansThank you, Chris,Magnifying glass, copy machine, scanner - they will all take a tiny blobof blurry ink and turn it into a bigger blob of blurry ink. My plansaren't just small, they're fuzzy too.The confirmation of the steel gages will definitely help. I should beable to fudge my way through the rest of the dimensions.How did all those people in the 1930's and later manage to successfullybuild flying airplanes using only these plans, and without theassistance of all you guys on this list. Hats off to them!Bill C.________________________________[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf OfCatdesignSent: June 30, 2006 10:00 AM>Is my copy worse than most, or is everyone's FGM printing blurry? No, they are very small and hard to read. Try blowing them up on a copymachine, worked great for me. Or use a magnifying glass. You can alsoscan it in at a high resolution and blow it up on the computer. >Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fittingand the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?Lower Turnbuckle 12gWing Strut Fitting 12gAll others appear to be 16gCross Tube 3/4"x20g1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)Chris TracySacramento, Ca________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plans
Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansThanks for the offer, Jack.If you have a digital copy, I would very much appreciate a copy. If it'sa physical hard copy, and you're going to Brodhead, you could bring it,and save the trouble and expense of mailing it to me.Bill C.________________________________[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.TextorSent: June 30, 2006 10:16 AMBill,Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut andturnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy thatcame out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know.Jack TextorDes Moineswww.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansThanks for the offer, Jack.If you have a digital copy, I would very much appreciate a copy. If it'sa physical hard copy, and you're going to Brodhead, you could bring it,and save the trouble and expense of mailing it to me.Bill C.________________________________[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack T.TextorSent: June 30, 2006 10:16 AMBill,Mine aren't too bad, it clearly shows 12 gauge for the strut andturnbuckle fittings. The V fittings show 16. I enlarged a copy thatcame out pretty well, if you want me to send a copy, let me know.Jack TextorDes Moineswww.textors.com ________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansHi Bill,I would tend to agree with Chris, re the thickness'.Mr.Mita here in Japan has a full size set of Jenny style u/c drawings.I had a look and the thickness' on the drawings are the same as Chris noted.>Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and >the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?>Lower Turnbuckle 12g>Wing Strut Fitting 12g>All others appear to be 16g>Cross Tube 3/4"x20g>1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)The steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace), is not shown on the drawings but it is mentioned in a copy of a page from 'EXPERIMENTER', May1, possibly 1956.B.H. Pietenpol reccomended (quote)," In making up the fuselage landing gear fittings, make the strap go way across the bottom. Where the flying struts are fastened to the wing,slant the wing fittings at about the slant of the flying struts. Cub wing fittings would work swell. Some sort of stop should be put on the controls". (end quote).The last bits are just for your info. May stir up some comments (?)Hope it helps.Mark StanleyJapan________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FGM blurry plansHi Bill,I would tend to agree with Chris, re the thickness'.Mr.Mita here in Japan has a full size set of Jenny style u/c drawings.I had a look and the thickness' on the drawings are the same as Chris noted.>Are the thickness of the steel 12 gage for the lower turnbuckle fitting and >the wing strut fitting, and 16 gage for all the other parts?>Lower Turnbuckle 12g>Wing Strut Fitting 12g>All others appear to be 16g>Cross Tube 3/4"x20g>1/2x16g steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace)The steel strip full width of fuselage (on top of cross brace), is not shown on the drawings but it is mentioned in a copy of a page from 'EXPERIMENTER', May1, possibly 1956.B.H. Pietenpol reccomended (quote)," In making up the fuselage landing gear fittings, make the strap go way across the bottom. Where the flying struts are fastened to the wing,slant the wing fittings at about the slant of the flying struts. Cub wing fittings would work swell. Some sort of stop should be put on the controls". (end quote).The last bits are just for your info. May stir up some comments (?)Hope it helps.Mark StanleyJapan________________________________________________________________________________