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Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "erik finster"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersGene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper.My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Steve Glass"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersMikeThat sounds about right! I cruise at 85 mph in the 1946 7ac Champ ( cruise pitch- Sench Prop )but everything I've read on the 65 Cont. Piets sounds, Spot on, (give or take strong head WIND!)That can set you back big time !!!!!!!!!! I once followed the 401 Hwy from Toronto to Windsor ground speed of 57mph everything was passin me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You Planning to make Oshkosh this year? . I will be going ,if so I'd Like to see you Airplane up close ,not just in the videoMaybe I'll see you thereCheersErik.S.Billing1946 7acAeronca Champ C-FDFLWindsor Ontario Canadaex Spitfire MK9 Crew Chief>From: Michael D Cuy >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers>Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 19:19:12 -0400>>>>Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about >71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper.>>My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I >think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken.>>Mike C.>>>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersIn a message dated 7/2/2006 6:21:36 PM Central Standard Time, Michael.D.Cuy(at)grc.nasa.gov writes:Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper.My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken.Mike C.My numbers, Cont.A65 with my homebuilt 72 X 42 prop, are very close to what Mike gets. Sometimes I like to pull power to about 1900 rpm to save fuel, and just enjoy the sceenery !! At 1800 rpm, she does about 45 - 48 mph level flight.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "pietflyr"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersYep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with it,and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated.Jack Phillips(back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon)-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael DCuySent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PMGene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper.My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. Ithink Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken.Mike C.________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: pietflyr
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersGuys,I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal propto a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....howeverthe metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend tooffset the weight difference and drop the nose.Thanks for the thoughts.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, Texas ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "Gordon Bowen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersIn a message dated 7/9/2006 9:09:00 AM Central Standard Time, mikek120(at)mindspring.com writes:Guys,I am considering switching my current McCauley 69x39 Metal propto a 72x42 Wooden prop for better overall performance.....howeverthe metal prop is heavier than wood and would result in a higher nose attitude at cruise. What would you recommend tooffset the weight difference and drop the nose.Thanks for the thoughts.Mike KingGN-177MKDallas, TexasMike,I can guarantee you will get better performance with a longer prop, and lighter weight. You will have to do a weight & balance calculation, to see ifyou are tail heavy with the lighter prop. If the plane is NOT tail heavy in any condition, including Zero fuel - with pilot weight, then you're good to go. Adding ballast is the last resort...ballast gives me the Hiebie Jiebie's !!Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersI put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type made by:Gary AndersonCommanche TX325-357-2810inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+ weeks, but worth it.GordonPics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how to transfer files. ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersChuck,I will definitely get a longer prop with a different pitch for better overallperformance. I hope the change will not result in a greater "tail heavy"condition. I have instrumentation in both cockpits with brakes onlyin the aft compartment. I am also going to fill-in the gaps in the wingsand tail section. With a change in prop and the addition of gap seals,the plane should fly better than ever before.Any thoughts on Gordon's new prop (walnut/maple scimitar) for myA-80? Comanche is not far from where I live.By the way, I just read Mike Hardaway's post and I am feeling betterabout the proposed change. Thanks Chuck, Mike and Gordon for the input. This IS a great list.MikeGN-177MKDallas ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Mike King
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersMike,A lighter prop will not make your nose be higher at cruise or any other given speed. The total lift of a wing at any speed, while straight and level, has to equal the total weight of the airplane plus any stabilizing aerodynamic downforce on the tail. Lift is a function of speed, air density, wing area, and angle of attack (relates to lift coefficient). If the airplane is lighter, as it would be with a lighter prop, your nose will be lower for any given speed because the wing can have a lower angle of attack to produce the lower necessary lift.What will change for your airplane is center of gravity. Without any other changes, your lighter prop means more forward stick pressure (or less aft pressure). Mike Hardaway ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weight

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Original Posted By: John Smoyer
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wheel weightJohn,Brakes were not installed. I think others on the list are more qualified to comment on motorcycle brakes.Brakes are definitely NOT needed for landings. They would be useful for taxiing / maneuvering on crowded aprons.Greg ----- Original Message -----
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersGordon,Do you have his contact info, or does he have a website?Thanks,Jack TextorI put on the 0-235 for N-1033B a 74" walnut/maple scrimatar type madeby:Gary AndersonCommanche TX325-357-2810inexpensive and absolutely beautiful. Probably have to wait 8-10+weeks, but worth it.GordonPics on other computer or I'd attach, will do so after figure out how totransfer files.________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Jack T. Textor
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersJack,I was looking around barnstormers.com for props and found the following. It may be what Gordon was speaking of.Jay AndersonCloudCars325-356-2810cloudcars(at)verizon.netThis Pietenpol site is really outstanding! I've only had my plane a few weeks and already I have learned far more from this site than the previous owner or the builder could tell me.While looking for prop information I also contacted a Mr. Chad Wille at 641-322-4041. Wille has built a number of Pietenpols and builds props for a living. Sounds like he really knows his stuff on both Pietenpols and props. My Pietenpol with a continental A65 came with a 69X48 McCauley metal prop and as soon as I can afford it, I'm changing to a longer wood prop. Mr Wille recommends going to a 74X38 Wood prop.I would be interested in hearing form others if they have bought from Anderson or Wille and if in fact anyone flys behind a 74X38 wood prop on a continenal A 65.Thank youGeneN502R Tennessee ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersJack,Congratulatations on your marriage and thank you so very much for all of your help.SincerelyGene----- Original Message ----- Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 8:53 AM>> Yep. Mine is a Sensenich 72 x 42, and I get about 2275 on climbout with > it,> and cruise at 2150. Gives me about 72 mph indicated.>> Jack Phillips> (back from the honeymoon and hoping to get some Piet time this afternoon)>> -----Original Message-----> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com]On Behalf Of Michael D> Cuy> Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 7:19 PM>>> >> Gene-- I cruise at 2150 rpm using a 72" x 42 pitch wood prop and get about> 71 mph from my A-65 in the Air Camper.>> My prop is a good combination of good climb and fair cruise speeds. I> think Jack Phillips has the same size prop if I'm not mistaken.>> Mike C.>>> ________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Mike King
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersMikeBefore deciding on the change, bring your tail up to level and check your ground clearance. Make sure that you will still have 9" clearance.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Dick Navratil
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersDick,Good idea. I noticed before when the tail was on a pair ofsawhorses, that the 69" prop had plenty of clearance betweenthe tip and the ground, but will measure for a more accuratemeasurement.Thanks again.Mike ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbers

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Original Posted By: Jack T. Textor
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersJack,I can't find the original website, but did find Gary via his adv in Barnstormers. He had some nice pics of various props he's made on the website. Did right by me with my prop. Due to back orders, he didn't want to do the final sanding and varnishing and the price he quoted was low due to this, lead time was also short. But when he was about 2 weeks late on del., he called and said he had a problem with a small defect in the finish. It was a tiny pitch pocket you wouldn't know it was there unless you looked real close. He asked if I'd take the prop as is with minor defect and he'd quickly sand and varnish for free. Otherwise he was going to cut me another prop. His prices reflect either finished or not. Cheapest is right off of his duplicator, think I paid $325 with shipping, 2+years ago. The prop works and looks great. Coupled with the 112 hp currently getting out of freshly new jugged o-235, it's off the ground very fast and climbs like an elevator. Heavier engine offsets my fat carcass nicely for CG. But with lighter pilot tiny changes in power significantly changes the pitch angle of the nose, kinda like the C-182 does with it's heavy engine.Gordon ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersI am running an A-65 with a Hegy 72 X 44 prop. I get about 78-80 mph at cruiseand climb about 350 fpm with me and full fuel on an 80 deg day. Not in any hurry,but I'm kinda looking for a 72 X 42 prop. The airplane seems to like the70-75 mph range a little better so I wouldn't mind giving up the cruise fora little better climb. I'd really like a Falcon prop, so until I find someonewho will let go of one, the Hegy will do.Don E.NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cont. 65 cruise and prop numbersI am using a Tennessee 72 X 42 recommended by many and Tennessee propssaid it was the one most used on this type of aircraft.It is a real workof art and I get a lot of guddos for it!I havn't flown with it yet butfrom what most say about it I should get the same good performance.-----Original Message-----[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don EmchSent: July 10, 2006 11:39 AMI am running an A-65 with a Hegy 72 X 44 prop. I get about 78-80 mph atcruise and climb about 350 fpm with me and full fuel on an 80 deg day.Not in any hurry, but I'm kinda looking for a 72 X 42 prop. Theairplane seems to like the 70-75 mph range a little better so I wouldn'tmind giving up the cruise for a little better climb. I'd really like aFalcon prop, so until I find someone who will let go of one, the Hegywill do.Don E.NX899DERead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
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