Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
RE: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Phillips, Jack
On my last plane (Avid) I used a motorcycle battery charger (about $11.00 from WalMart) and it worked great.Gene ----- Original Message -----
On my last plane (Avid) I used a motorcycle battery charger (about $11.00 from WalMart) and it worked great.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/7/2006 3:04:58 PM Central Standard Time, kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See whereI am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraftnor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar.Ken,If you have an engine driven charging system, the FAA requires you to have a transponder. Using the current produced by the Mags is a Big NO NO !! I have a small sealed lead acid battery (about $20) for the handheld radio, smoke pump, and rarely used GPS. I have a solar charger panel mounted on top ofthe wing, but still have to charge the battery about 3 times a year.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/7/2006 3:04:58 PM Central Standard Time, kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:The trick is mount a alternator to make the charging system complete. Now, I have visited with another gentleman who advised a rectifier can be utilized off the mags to provide a nice trickle charge to a motorcycle battery. See whereI am going with this. I would like to have and a few gages run off the battery, radio, and a strobe. No I am not wanting to create a commercial aircraftnor reinvent the wheel. Just seeking input as to see if anyone examine this information or attempted something similar.Ken,If you have an engine driven charging system, the FAA requires you to have a transponder. Using the current produced by the Mags is a Big NO NO !! I have a small sealed lead acid battery (about $20) for the handheld radio, smoke pump, and rarely used GPS. I have a solar charger panel mounted on top ofthe wing, but still have to charge the battery about 3 times a year.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: (almost) new kid on the block looking for infos
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (almost) new kid on the block looking for infosHello to everybody!Andrea from Italy is calling here. Although I'm not directly involvedin a Piet, I'm happily helping dad, who has a life-lasting affair withthe Piet since the good ol'days of the Peck-Polymers Peanuts Kits,building his one. We have the original 1933 improved plans for thestandard fuselage, the 3 piece wing modification, the 1932 Flying andGlider Manual. The decision has been made to make a later, stretchedfuselage and the three-piece wing for ease of transport. Materials willbe our white spruce, which is almost as good as Sitka except it can beobtained without defects for maximum lengths of 12', marine-grademahogany and aircraft-grade birch plywood. So far, the ribs and tailsurfaces have been made, the spars for both wings and center sectionhave been laminated and we're ready to start working on the fuselage.And here we are some trouble for us:1) The only drawing we have for the stretched fuselage does not showwhere the cross-members between fuselage sides are located (only thefuselage sides themselves are shown). Are we missing other drawings orshould they simply positioned using the standard fuselage drawings as areference (which we have)?2) What is the general consensus (if there's such a thing ) amongbuilers about fuselage width and cabane length? I've heard aboutdifficulty getting into the front seat and having room to spare on thesides.3) Has anyone a decent drawing for the standard landing gear withwooden inverted Vs and one piece pass-through axle? The Improved Plansdo not show it and the drawing from the Flying and Glider manual iscompletely useless.4) Between wing drag wires and flight controls, we counted 34turnbuckle assemblies. The bill from AS&S, plus freight and importtaxes exceeds $1,000. YIKES! Anyone knows a source of a cheaperalternative? Is there still a "new surplus" market for these things?BTW, to Michael D. Cuy: I'm happy to tell you that your Piet is ourchief source of inspiration. I unfortunately lost the SA number whichfeatured her. I'd love to find a hi-res, three-quarter front rightphoto like the one included in the article. Any chance?SeeYa!Andrea VavassoriVolksplane VP-1 I-BYRAEAA #348037FCAP I-146Homepage: http://andrea.modelberg.it________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (almost) new kid on the block looking for infosDate: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:42:00 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: (almost) new kid on the block looking for infosHello to everybody!Andrea from Italy is calling here. Although I'm not directly involvedin a Piet, I'm happily helping dad, who has a life-lasting affair withthe Piet since the good ol'days of the Peck-Polymers Peanuts Kits,building his one. We have the original 1933 improved plans for thestandard fuselage, the 3 piece wing modification, the 1932 Flying andGlider Manual. The decision has been made to make a later, stretchedfuselage and the three-piece wing for ease of transport. Materials willbe our white spruce, which is almost as good as Sitka except it can beobtained without defects for maximum lengths of 12', marine-grademahogany and aircraft-grade birch plywood. So far, the ribs and tailsurfaces have been made, the spars for both wings and center sectionhave been laminated and we're ready to start working on the fuselage.And here we are some trouble for us:1) The only drawing we have for the stretched fuselage does not showwhere the cross-members between fuselage sides are located (only thefuselage sides themselves are shown). Are we missing other drawings orshould they simply positioned using the standard fuselage drawings as areference (which we have)?2) What is the general consensus (if there's such a thing ) amongbuilers about fuselage width and cabane length? I've heard aboutdifficulty getting into the front seat and having room to spare on thesides.3) Has anyone a decent drawing for the standard landing gear withwooden inverted Vs and one piece pass-through axle? The Improved Plansdo not show it and the drawing from the Flying and Glider manual iscompletely useless.4) Between wing drag wires and flight controls, we counted 34turnbuckle assemblies. The bill from AS&S, plus freight and importtaxes exceeds $1,000. YIKES! Anyone knows a source of a cheaperalternative? Is there still a "new surplus" market for these things?BTW, to Michael D. Cuy: I'm happy to tell you that your Piet is ourchief source of inspiration. I unfortunately lost the SA number whichfeatured her. I'd love to find a hi-res, three-quarter front rightphoto like the one included in the article. Any chance?SeeYa!Andrea VavassoriVolksplane VP-1 I-BYRAEAA #348037FCAP I-146Homepage: http://andrea.modelberg.it________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: (almost) new kid on the block looking for infosDate: Tue, 8 Aug 2006 07:42:00 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: "Andrea Vavassori"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionKen,You stated that the FAA requires you to have a transponder if you have an engine driven charging system. This is NOT TRUE. You only need a transponderturned on when flying through specified airspace ie: Class C, B. FYI.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove IL________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionKen,You stated that the FAA requires you to have a transponder if you have an engine driven charging system. This is NOT TRUE. You only need a transponderturned on when flying through specified airspace ie: Class C, B. FYI.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove IL________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Ken,On my Corvair powered Pietenpol: I use a belt driven John Deere altenator(20 A), voltage regulator and a 13 Ah Ultrabat sealed batteryEnough energy to run all instruments and power my hand held radio and GPS.Plus enough juice for the electric starter.The DAR that signed of my Pietenpol last year never mentioned that I musthave a Transponder or Nav lights.Nor could I find the rules on this in the FAA regs. Although there are anumber of (non FAA) web sites stating you must have nav lights andTransponder with a engine driven electric system.My Pietenpol has no Transponder or Nav lights (Day VFR only)If you fly an airplane commercially it is a different story.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
Ken,On my Corvair powered Pietenpol: I use a belt driven John Deere altenator(20 A), voltage regulator and a 13 Ah Ultrabat sealed batteryEnough energy to run all instruments and power my hand held radio and GPS.Plus enough juice for the electric starter.The DAR that signed of my Pietenpol last year never mentioned that I musthave a Transponder or Nav lights.Nor could I find the rules on this in the FAA regs. Although there are anumber of (non FAA) web sites stating you must have nav lights andTransponder with a engine driven electric system.My Pietenpol has no Transponder or Nav lights (Day VFR only)If you fly an airplane commercially it is a different story.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Years ago a friend had a Luscome to which he wanted to add a battery and acharging system. He bought a small sealed gel-cell and we proceeded toinvent a wind generator using a bicycle generator and a model airplane prop.I designed and built a regulator for the generator while he fitted the propto the Canadian Tire bicycle generator.He came to work Monday with a long face. Turns out he wanted to test theprop/generator combination before mounting it. He opened up the window ofthe Luscome and stuck the generator/prop out the window. It wound upnicely, just one problem; he had his hand across the contacts. Afterseveral seconds of being electrocuted he dropped the generator. Apparentlythe electrical shock was bad enough he was unable to bring his arm back inthe window.So we dropped the project (no un intended). But it might still be worthlooking at.Bob.-----Original Message-----
Years ago a friend had a Luscome to which he wanted to add a battery and acharging system. He bought a small sealed gel-cell and we proceeded toinvent a wind generator using a bicycle generator and a model airplane prop.I designed and built a regulator for the generator while he fitted the propto the Canadian Tire bicycle generator.He came to work Monday with a long face. Turns out he wanted to test theprop/generator combination before mounting it. He opened up the window ofthe Luscome and stuck the generator/prop out the window. It wound upnicely, just one problem; he had his hand across the contacts. Afterseveral seconds of being electrocuted he dropped the generator. Apparentlythe electrical shock was bad enough he was unable to bring his arm back inthe window.So we dropped the project (no un intended). But it might still be worthlooking at.Bob.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Steve Ruse
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/8/2006 5:21:14 AM Central Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:Ken,You stated that the FAA requires you to have a transponder if you have an engine driven charging system. This is NOT TRUE. You only need a transponderturned on when flying through specified airspace ie: Class C, B. FYI.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove ILDan,That was me that mentioned this portion of the FAA requirements for a transponder. I searched for the FAR, but I can't find it. It was someone on thislist that produced that FAR, and that is what stuck in my 51 year old mind. Ithink it may have been Cy. As I recall, it stated that if a plane is certifiedwith an engine driven electrical system, then it must have a transponder. There is another FAR that calls out when a transponder must be used.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/8/2006 5:21:14 AM Central Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:Ken,You stated that the FAA requires you to have a transponder if you have an engine driven charging system. This is NOT TRUE. You only need a transponderturned on when flying through specified airspace ie: Class C, B. FYI.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove ILDan,That was me that mentioned this portion of the FAA requirements for a transponder. I searched for the FAR, but I can't find it. It was someone on thislist that produced that FAR, and that is what stuck in my 51 year old mind. Ithink it may have been Cy. As I recall, it stated that if a plane is certifiedwith an engine driven electrical system, then it must have a transponder. There is another FAR that calls out when a transponder must be used.Chuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionChuck,My 1948 Aeronca Sedan has been flying legally all these years without a transponder. It was certificated with an electrical system when it was made.The reason no one can find the FAR is because it does not exist. I really wantto install one because I live right outside the 30 mi. radius "Mode C Veil" around O'hare and I can't legally fly anywhere east. Ironically, if I had a Champ or ultralight it would be perfectly legal for me to do so, because the airplane was originally certificated without an electrical system. The requirement in that case would be for me to simply stay out of the Class B airspace. I could actually fly within 5 mi. of O'hare. I will try to find theFAR that states that. This is a very interesting situation.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:13:03 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionChuck,My 1948 Aeronca Sedan has been flying legally all these years without a transponder. It was certificated with an electrical system when it was made.The reason no one can find the FAR is because it does not exist. I really wantto install one because I live right outside the 30 mi. radius "Mode C Veil" around O'hare and I can't legally fly anywhere east. Ironically, if I had a Champ or ultralight it would be perfectly legal for me to do so, because the airplane was originally certificated without an electrical system. The requirement in that case would be for me to simply stay out of the Class B airspace. I could actually fly within 5 mi. of O'hare. I will try to find theFAR that states that. This is a very interesting situation.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 09 Aug 2006 09:13:03 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionDan,For years now, I've been under the impression that if a plane has an engine driven charging system, it was required to have a transponder. I posed this question to Cy, and here is his reply:
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionDan,For years now, I've been under the impression that if a plane has an engine driven charging system, it was required to have a transponder. I posed this question to Cy, and here is his reply:
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionHi Chuck,Cy was right except when he said "if you don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander through the class C". The FAR specificallystates that EVERYBODY (except for waiver) has to have an operating mode C transponder to enter the Class C. I think he meant to say you can go around orunder the overlying layers, but stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionHi Chuck,Cy was right except when he said "if you don't have an engine driven electrical system then you can wander through the class C". The FAR specificallystates that EVERYBODY (except for waiver) has to have an operating mode C transponder to enter the Class C. I think he meant to say you can go around orunder the overlying layers, but stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: Waytogopiet(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/10/2006 4:21:14 AM Central Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:I think he meant to say you can go around or under the overlying layers, but stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers. Yes, I think that's what he meant, but what about the 30 NM Mode C Veil ? What does it represent ?Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionIn a message dated 8/10/2006 4:21:14 AM Central Standard Time, HelsperSew(at)aol.com writes:I think he meant to say you can go around or under the overlying layers, but stay clear of, the Class C airspace. I routinely go within 5 mi. of Madison Wi., but I stay under the overlying layers. Yes, I think that's what he meant, but what about the 30 NM Mode C Veil ? What does it represent ?Chuck G.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging Question
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionChuck,The mode C veil keeps out people like me that have an old airplane that was originally certificated with an engine driven electrical system, but no transponder. If you are an ultralight or Cub or Champ, you can go right throughit as if it did not exist. Not fair!!Dan H________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Charging QuestionChuck,The mode C veil keeps out people like me that have an old airplane that was originally certificated with an engine driven electrical system, but no transponder. If you are an ultralight or Cub or Champ, you can go right throughit as if it did not exist. Not fair!!Dan H________________________________________________________________________________