Original Posted By: Mike Luther
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows > Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane > while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even > having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. > Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self. > Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the > best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has > anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you > formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 > for a pair. > Thanks > Gene > N502R > Tennessee ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2007 16:46:40 -0900
Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Pietenpol-List: What paint to use?
Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? > Hi Guys, > > I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many > steel > fittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners > that are used > during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate any > suggestions > based on experience. Thanks. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? > Hi Guys, > > I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many > steel > fittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners > that are used > during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate any > suggestions > based on experience. Thanks. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove, IL. > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self.Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. ThanksGeneN502RTennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
Thanks to all for the great Ideas on how to secure your plane while hand proping. Having been a sailor for many years and even having some on hand, I'm going to try the snapshackle idea first. Don't know why I hadn't thought of it my self.Now on to my next question. Does anyone have any ideas on the best place to get the J3 eyebrows that are used on the A65? Has anyone made their own J3 eyebrows? If so, please share how you formed them. Aircraft Spruce has them but they want about $500 for a pair. ThanksGeneN502RTennessee ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
Original Posted By: Hans Vander Voort
I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it toCanada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I hadhoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import itand finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I donot want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected.Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it beforeit can be imported.Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly itunder US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a USaircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence ofan FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I couldcarry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.Bob________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing it toCanada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as I hadhoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want to import itand finish the project in Canada. That means removing the fabric. I donot want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get it inspected.Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on it beforeit can be imported.Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and fly itunder US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a USaircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidence ofan FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I couldcarry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.Bob________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Robert,You can register a US aircraft to a noncitizen, but he or she must be aresident of the US (aircraft can be outside US)Most builders in the US use EAA Tech counselors during the buildingprocess.These Tech counselors do at least three inspections (two of them pre-cover)and file a form with the EAA of this inspection.The builder usually gets a copy of this form.If you can't find it in the builders logs/receipts , perhaps the EAA or theTech counselor that did the inspection can help.This form recording the inspection might not be sufficient to import in toCanada, but is worth a try.Hans "Robert Gow" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. 01/04/2007 09:42 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing itto Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as Ihad hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want toimport it and finish the project in Canada. That means removing thefabric. I do not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get itinspected.Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on itbefore it can be imported.Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and flyit under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a USaircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidenceof an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I couldcarry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.Bob________________________________________________________________________________
Robert,You can register a US aircraft to a noncitizen, but he or she must be aresident of the US (aircraft can be outside US)Most builders in the US use EAA Tech counselors during the buildingprocess.These Tech counselors do at least three inspections (two of them pre-cover)and file a form with the EAA of this inspection.The builder usually gets a copy of this form.If you can't find it in the builders logs/receipts , perhaps the EAA or theTech counselor that did the inspection can help.This form recording the inspection might not be sufficient to import in toCanada, but is worth a try.Hans "Robert Gow" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada. 01/04/2007 09:42 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com I`m interested in Cart`s Pietenpol but there are some issues importing itto Canada. My first contact with the inspectors here was not as good as Ihad hoped. The tell me I'll need a pre-cover inspection if I want toimport it and finish the project in Canada. That means removing thefabric. I do not want to rip the fabric off this airplane to get itinspected.Or, as a finished aircraft, the aircraft must have a 100 hours on itbefore it can be imported.Does anyone have an idea how to avoid this?Perhaps I could complete it or have it completed as a US aircraft and flyit under US registry for the first 100 hours. But can you register a USaircraft to a non-citizen/ non-resident?Or perhaps I can get the pre-cover inspection waived if there is evidenceof an FAA pre-cover inspection. Is there a precedent for this?Or I can look into ultra-light classification but I do not believe I couldcarry a passenger which is not acceptable to me.Bob________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: What paint to use?
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
Dan,Smart Alec answer : black paint, least amount of pigments and thus thelightest.All kidding aside:Polyfiber recommends to use there (high $$) epoxy primer, the final colorwill be what you spray on the covering.I used Home depot Krylon spray can stuff , no negative effects with thePolyfiber products.Just remember not to clean the Krylon painted parts excessively with MEK.(paint will come of again)Hans HelsperSew(at)aol.co m Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? 01/04/2007 11:07 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Hi Guys,I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many steelfittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners that areused during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate anysuggestions based on experience. Thanks.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
Dan,Smart Alec answer : black paint, least amount of pigments and thus thelightest.All kidding aside:Polyfiber recommends to use there (high $$) epoxy primer, the final colorwill be what you spray on the covering.I used Home depot Krylon spray can stuff , no negative effects with thePolyfiber products.Just remember not to clean the Krylon painted parts excessively with MEK.(paint will come of again)Hans HelsperSew(at)aol.co m Sent by: To owner-pietenpol-l pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com ist-server@matron cc ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: What paint to use? 01/04/2007 11:07 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Hi Guys,I am wondering what type of paint (final color) to use on the many steelfittings on the Piet. I am worried about the glues and thinners that areused during the Polyfiber covering process. I would appreciate anysuggestions based on experience. Thanks.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: Gene & Tammy
Gene I made them myself, they really aren't very hard. I made them from .024 6061 T6 aluminum. That wasn't the most ideal stock, but I had extra laying around. I used #10 copper wire to roll in the leading edge, that also helped in forming the hump. You will need to form the rear section and bend to shape. The rear section gets rivited to the upper housing. I also doubled the thickness on the section that attaches to the cylinders.This will make more sense if you see a close up pic. I will be going back to the hangar tomorrow and will take a couple.Contact me direct so I can send them off list.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Gene I made them myself, they really aren't very hard. I made them from .024 6061 T6 aluminum. That wasn't the most ideal stock, but I had extra laying around. I used #10 copper wire to roll in the leading edge, that also helped in forming the hump. You will need to form the rear section and bend to shape. The rear section gets rivited to the upper housing. I also doubled the thickness on the section that attaches to the cylinders.This will make more sense if you see a close up pic. I will be going back to the hangar tomorrow and will take a couple.Contact me direct so I can send them off list.Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Importing an unfinished homebuilt into Canada.
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks I'll try that approach. It's rather annoying when you have tworegulatory bodies in adjacent 1st world countries which cannot seem torecognize each others paperwork.Bob-----Original Message-----
Thanks I'll try that approach. It's rather annoying when you have tworegulatory bodies in adjacent 1st world countries which cannot seem torecognize each others paperwork.Bob-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: "Gene & Tammy"
Gene,Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same typeof "eyebrow"$500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lotless.I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears)http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesl ... 4Different dimension but same concept.Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a cardboard prototype template.Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and yourdone.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
Gene,Expand your search Aeronca Champ, Taylorcraft and J3 all have the same typeof "eyebrow"$500 seems excessive for something you can easily make yourself for a lotless.I made my own for my Corvair ( I call them Cooling ears)http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesl ... 4Different dimension but same concept.Most important is the "scoop" dimension, measure a J3's and make a cardboard prototype template.Transfer this to Aluminum sheet, cut, drill, bend and pop rivet and yourdone.Hans________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: "Steve Ruse"
Thanks Steve, I'll give that a try. Mine have so many stress cracks that I don't think I'll try welding them (They are home made).Gene----- Original Message -----
Thanks Steve, I'll give that a try. Mine have so many stress cracks that I don't think I'll try welding them (They are home made).Gene----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: Dick Navratil
Thanks for your efforts Dick. Looking forward to the photo's.Genezharvey(at)bellsouth.net ----- Original Message -----
Thanks for your efforts Dick. Looking forward to the photo's.Genezharvey(at)bellsouth.net ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Securing plane and J3 eyebrows
Original Posted By: "Hans Vander Voort"
Thank you Hans, that helps a lot.GeneN502lR----- Original Message -----
Thank you Hans, that helps a lot.GeneN502lR----- Original Message -----