Original Posted By: "Arden Adamson"
Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings
Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings
Original Posted By: DONALD COOLEY
Arden,It is up to your personal preference how you do it, I do not think there isright or wrong way hereI did mine under the fabric, just like BHP's last original.Hans "Arden Adamson" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings 01/15/2007 09:57 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Gentlemen,I have a simple question Id like your opinion on. Do you mount the wirebrace fittings for the rudder and horizontal stabilizer under the coveringand protruding through or on top of the covering? Does it even matter?What did you do and/or what do you recommend? Any thoughts would beappreciated.Arden________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0800 (PST)
Arden,It is up to your personal preference how you do it, I do not think there isright or wrong way hereI did mine under the fabric, just like BHP's last original.Hans "Arden Adamson" To Sent by: owner-pietenpol-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subject Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings 01/15/2007 09:57 AM Please respond to pietenpol-list@ma tronics.com Gentlemen,I have a simple question Id like your opinion on. Do you mount the wirebrace fittings for the rudder and horizontal stabilizer under the coveringand protruding through or on top of the covering? Does it even matter?What did you do and/or what do you recommend? Any thoughts would beappreciated.Arden________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 15 Jan 2007 10:05:40 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings
Original Posted By: "Graham Hansen"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittingsIn a message dated 1/15/2007 10:01:45 AM Central Standard Time, aadamson(at)wnmdag.org writes:Gentlemen,I have a simple question I=99d like your opinion on. Do you mount the wire brace fittings for the rudder and horizontal stabilizer under the covering and protruding through or on top of the covering? Does it even matter? What did you do and/or what do you recommend? Any thoughts would be appreciated.ArdenArden,The tail wire brace fittings for the vertical and horizontal stabilizer, areUnder the fabric. I used 3/16" iron rivets, called out in the plans, so it was a permanent install, before fabric. You need to have them installed when you pre-fit the empenage. Then you the parts, and cover the vert & horiz stabs, with just a slit for the fittings to protrude, then install a re-enforcing small round patch (about 3" diameter), slit for the protruding fitting, with the fibers running at about a 45=C2=BA to the covering, on top of the fabric. Allow the fabric to creep up on the fitting, and it makes for a nice clean looking, and waterproof install. You can see the fittings here, as well as how I set up the heel brakes, sealed hinge gaps, and means to jack the plane up http://nx770cg.com/Unique.htmlChuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittingsIn a message dated 1/15/2007 10:01:45 AM Central Standard Time, aadamson(at)wnmdag.org writes:Gentlemen,I have a simple question I=99d like your opinion on. Do you mount the wire brace fittings for the rudder and horizontal stabilizer under the covering and protruding through or on top of the covering? Does it even matter? What did you do and/or what do you recommend? Any thoughts would be appreciated.ArdenArden,The tail wire brace fittings for the vertical and horizontal stabilizer, areUnder the fabric. I used 3/16" iron rivets, called out in the plans, so it was a permanent install, before fabric. You need to have them installed when you pre-fit the empenage. Then you the parts, and cover the vert & horiz stabs, with just a slit for the fittings to protrude, then install a re-enforcing small round patch (about 3" diameter), slit for the protruding fitting, with the fibers running at about a 45=C2=BA to the covering, on top of the fabric. Allow the fabric to creep up on the fitting, and it makes for a nice clean looking, and waterproof install. You can see the fittings here, as well as how I set up the heel brakes, sealed hinge gaps, and means to jack the plane up http://nx770cg.com/Unique.htmlChuck G.NX770CG________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: tail brace fittings
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Arden,In general, early designs having a wooden structure (and the Pietenpol fits this category) have fittings placed outside the fabric covering. The DeHavilland Moths, among others, did it this way because:1. Inspection of fittings is made easy.2. Fabric covering is easier to accomplish.3. It is easy to seal between the fabric and the fittings.*4. Removal/replacement of fittings or bolts is facilitated.5. You get a nice "antique" appearance.* Use a high quality marine sealant here.Covering the fittings with fabric is OK, but make sure no water can enter where the fitting emerges from the fabric. This can be difficult to accomplish for long term protection.I opted to place my fittings outside the fabric and tolerate the extra drag they produce. After all, what's a bit more drag to a Pietenpol?Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)________________________________________________________________________________
Arden,In general, early designs having a wooden structure (and the Pietenpol fits this category) have fittings placed outside the fabric covering. The DeHavilland Moths, among others, did it this way because:1. Inspection of fittings is made easy.2. Fabric covering is easier to accomplish.3. It is easy to seal between the fabric and the fittings.*4. Removal/replacement of fittings or bolts is facilitated.5. You get a nice "antique" appearance.* Use a high quality marine sealant here.Covering the fittings with fabric is OK, but make sure no water can enter where the fitting emerges from the fabric. This can be difficult to accomplish for long term protection.I opted to place my fittings outside the fabric and tolerate the extra drag they produce. After all, what's a bit more drag to a Pietenpol?Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: wet wood?
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
Just to chime in here, the tail brace fittings on NX41CC are mounted outside the fabric and I've been glad of it a time or two already. I had to remove the vertical stabilizer for repairs and it was my first time doing fabric covering. It was tricky learning to fit the fabric around protruding fittings (the Vi Kapler style rudder hinges in this case), and the fewer fittings I need to work fabric around, the better for me. I'm sure it presents a smoother finish to cover over them though.And after looking at Chuck Gantzer's link to his page, I remembered how slick his heel brake setup is. 41CC has toe brakes and they work fine, but that heel brake setup of Chuck's is nifty too. Higher parts count and more detail than the toe brake setup, I'll admit. Someone else sent me pictures of their heel brake setup (along with their trim wheel setup, using part of a bicycle chain with a nicely done wooden trim wheel) and that one, too, is really nice; it uses Matco masters in the laydown position along with short sections of tubing below the rudder bar to activate the brakes.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=n ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wet wood?Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:20:06 -0500
Just to chime in here, the tail brace fittings on NX41CC are mounted outside the fabric and I've been glad of it a time or two already. I had to remove the vertical stabilizer for repairs and it was my first time doing fabric covering. It was tricky learning to fit the fabric around protruding fittings (the Vi Kapler style rudder hinges in this case), and the fewer fittings I need to work fabric around, the better for me. I'm sure it presents a smoother finish to cover over them though.And after looking at Chuck Gantzer's link to his page, I remembered how slick his heel brake setup is. 41CC has toe brakes and they work fine, but that heel brake setup of Chuck's is nifty too. Higher parts count and more detail than the toe brake setup, I'll admit. Someone else sent me pictures of their heel brake setup (along with their trim wheel setup, using part of a bicycle chain with a nicely done wooden trim wheel) and that one, too, is really nice; it uses Matco masters in the laydown position along with short sections of tubing below the rudder bar to activate the brakes.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net_________________________________________________________________>From photos to predictions, The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes has it all. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=n ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: wet wood?Date: Tue, 16 Jan 2007 11:20:06 -0500