Original Posted By: Chad Johnson
It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary changes that EAA is going thru compared to pasttimes, and unfortunately these changes makeus grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.On the other hand EAA really catered to the Pietgathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parkingspots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.They prominently displayed a Model A auto andtwo Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAAeither but little can be done to make it like theold days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up withEAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkoshever, and find another organization that suits theirneeds.Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: EAA
Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy
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Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Original Posted By: Mike Cunningham
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary > changes that EAA is going thru compared to past> times, and unfortunately these changes make> us grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.> On the other hand EAA really catered to the Piet> gathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parking> spots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.> They prominently displayed a Model A auto and> two Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.I think that the EAA is not as bad as it would seem. After the first twoyears I was a member, 1991 and 1992, I wrote a letter to the EAA sayingthat I was a little dissappointed in the Sport Av. Mag. Most of what wasin there were show quality warbirds, plastic planes and heavy metal. Therewas next to nothing on the light side. The letter I got back was verycordial and explaiuned some of thier "corperate" thinking. Rather than tryand publish a magazine with everything in it, they broke it out intoseveral setions. For example, there is a warbird magazine,aerobatics mag, Experinemtor, etc. It was suggested that I also subscribeto Experimentor and that it would probably be more suited to my needs. Itcertainly was. They cover everything from ultralights to wooden classics to popular lightplanes like the Kitfox. Thier engine section is a wealthof information on alternative engines like Subarus, VW, Rotax, RX-7, etc.By the way, I highly reccomend the mag for this group.Basically, the SA magazine is taylored to the J.Q. Public, which fund alot of the EAA things like the Museum, Air Venture, etc. The airshows alsohave to gain the support of the masses if they are to be successful. Thatmeans the scratch builders like ourselves are going to be in the moreobscure areas. BTW, this suits me just fine. I vivited OSH in '92 onstrait floats. The seaplane base is tucked out of the way some 10 milesaway. A courtesy shuttle carried us to and from the main event. However,the campgrounds at th eseaplane base are the best around!Also, to say that OSH doesn't cater to the lighter stuff means that youhaven't (Air)ventured to the ultralight area. Not only is there an entirearea set aside for them, but they even get thier own airstrips! If you don't think the EAA is properly representing the needs of a group,don't leave. Instead, try to fix it! Letters to the EAA seem to beresponded to. Tell them of specific problems or deficiencies anddefinitely suggest solutions. They may not even realize the problemexsists.Ken.Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
On Wed, 22 Sep 1999, Michael D Cuy wrote:> It is frustrating sometimes to see the evolutionary > changes that EAA is going thru compared to past> times, and unfortunately these changes make> us grassroots builders feel unwelcome or shunned.> On the other hand EAA really catered to the Piet> gathering this summer saving us PRIME RIB parking> spots and flightline courtesy that surpasses none.> They prominently displayed a Model A auto and> two Ford Piets right by the Main entrance.I think that the EAA is not as bad as it would seem. After the first twoyears I was a member, 1991 and 1992, I wrote a letter to the EAA sayingthat I was a little dissappointed in the Sport Av. Mag. Most of what wasin there were show quality warbirds, plastic planes and heavy metal. Therewas next to nothing on the light side. The letter I got back was verycordial and explaiuned some of thier "corperate" thinking. Rather than tryand publish a magazine with everything in it, they broke it out intoseveral setions. For example, there is a warbird magazine,aerobatics mag, Experinemtor, etc. It was suggested that I also subscribeto Experimentor and that it would probably be more suited to my needs. Itcertainly was. They cover everything from ultralights to wooden classics to popular lightplanes like the Kitfox. Thier engine section is a wealthof information on alternative engines like Subarus, VW, Rotax, RX-7, etc.By the way, I highly reccomend the mag for this group.Basically, the SA magazine is taylored to the J.Q. Public, which fund alot of the EAA things like the Museum, Air Venture, etc. The airshows alsohave to gain the support of the masses if they are to be successful. Thatmeans the scratch builders like ourselves are going to be in the moreobscure areas. BTW, this suits me just fine. I vivited OSH in '92 onstrait floats. The seaplane base is tucked out of the way some 10 milesaway. A courtesy shuttle carried us to and from the main event. However,the campgrounds at th eseaplane base are the best around!Also, to say that OSH doesn't cater to the lighter stuff means that youhaven't (Air)ventured to the ultralight area. Not only is there an entirearea set aside for them, but they even get thier own airstrips! If you don't think the EAA is properly representing the needs of a group,don't leave. Instead, try to fix it! Letters to the EAA seem to beresponded to. Tell them of specific problems or deficiencies anddefinitely suggest solutions. They may not even realize the problemexsists.Ken.Ken Beanlands B.Eng (Aerospace)Calgary, Alberta, CanadaChristavia MK 1 C-GREN________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Original Posted By: Gary Leopold
Mike, I agree. I will continue to go to places like Brodhead and othergrass roots events and leave Oshkosh to the people that have money. I willremain a member of EAA because I believe in the concept of experimentalaircraft that can be built by anyone that has the desire. Too bad EAAleadership doesn't feel the same.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAA>either but little can be done to make it like the>old days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up with>EAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkosh>ever, and find another organization that suits their>needs.>>Mike C.>________________________________________________________________________________
Mike, I agree. I will continue to go to places like Brodhead and othergrass roots events and leave Oshkosh to the people that have money. I willremain a member of EAA because I believe in the concept of experimentalaircraft that can be built by anyone that has the desire. Too bad EAAleadership doesn't feel the same.Copinfo(at)ix.Netcom.ComTim CunninghamDes Moines, Iowa (515) 237-1510>I don't like all the changes we are seeing with EAA>either but little can be done to make it like the>old days. Folks that are frustrated or fed up with>EAA should simply drop out, not go to Oshkosh>ever, and find another organization that suits their>needs.>>Mike C.>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA
Original Posted By: COZYPILOT(at)aol.com
I disagree---it is our organization, we need to operate it within its confines, not give up and quit!!!!________________________________________________________________________________
I disagree---it is our organization, we need to operate it within its confines, not give up and quit!!!!________________________________________________________________________________
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Original Posted By: "Christian Bobka"
I just got my copy of June 2005 Sport Aviation today and found a letter in theMembers Forum, pages 71-72, titled Are Grass Routes Dead. I think is well worthreading. It goes back to the discussion a few weeks ago on EAA. There isalso a very good response by Scott Spangler, the mag editor.Dick________________________________________________________________________________
I just got my copy of June 2005 Sport Aviation today and found a letter in theMembers Forum, pages 71-72, titled Are Grass Routes Dead. I think is well worthreading. It goes back to the discussion a few weeks ago on EAA. There isalso a very good response by Scott Spangler, the mag editor.Dick________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA
Original Posted By: Dick Navratil
Dick, What is a Grass Route?Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message -----
Dick, What is a Grass Route?Braumeister und Inspektor der Flitzer und Flitzermotoren ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA
Original Posted By: Ryan Michalkiewicz
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet List vs Other Lists
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
What is this about a builder's manual? Where can I get one? I am just goingby the plans....!Rob Stapleton, Jr.Photographer/writerP.O.Box 242186Anchorage, AK 99524www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net (907) 230.9425-----Original Message-----
What is this about a builder's manual? Where can I get one? I am just goingby the plans....!Rob Stapleton, Jr.Photographer/writerP.O.Box 242186Anchorage, AK 99524www.alaskasportpilotcenter.net (907) 230.9425-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
Original Posted By: Ryan Michalkiewicz
Re: Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
Original Posted By: "Rob Stapleton"
Rob, were you a photographer/writer with the daily news?Gene----- Original Message -----
Rob, were you a photographer/writer with the daily news?Gene----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Just a few quick rib questions
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson