Original Posted By: Norman Stapelberg
Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar weight
Original Posted By: Bill Izard
Re: Pietenpol-List: Poem
Original Posted By: Bill Izard
Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: mboynton(at)excite.com
Hi Merril;Re latex paint:1) I used Sherman Willams products,varnish, reducer & color & aircraft silver paste2) Brush on two cross coats of varnish. Sand between coats & don't spare thetack rag.3) mix silver paste (the quantity is on the can ) with 1/2 pint reducer.Dump that into the varnish can, & spray one cross coat. Sand & tack rag. Isprayed the silver ony on the top of the wing. Also I did not silver thebottom of the fuselage.4) two cross coats of color & you are done.Caution-varnish will run, so apply it to a horizontal surface.Good luck, but remember I did this 14 years ago, so I hope I got it right.Suggest you do a test piece first.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Hi Merril;Re latex paint:1) I used Sherman Willams products,varnish, reducer & color & aircraft silver paste2) Brush on two cross coats of varnish. Sand between coats & don't spare thetack rag.3) mix silver paste (the quantity is on the can ) with 1/2 pint reducer.Dump that into the varnish can, & spray one cross coat. Sand & tack rag. Isprayed the silver ony on the top of the wing. Also I did not silver thebottom of the fuselage.4) two cross coats of color & you are done.Caution-varnish will run, so apply it to a horizontal surface.Good luck, but remember I did this 14 years ago, so I hope I got it right.Suggest you do a test piece first.Mike B Piet N 687MB ( Mr Sam )________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:36:13 -0800 (PST)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar weight
Original Posted By: Bill Izard
Sent a query to Windsor plywood on just what kind of glue is used in theirBaltic birch plywood which I have used for all the gussets and sheeting onmy piet and also for the web material on a set of spars. There reply isincluded below for your information. I don't think the fuselage is goingto be a problem, but I suspect I might build up something different for thespars. Not sure what at this point, but I'm not in any rush. Anyone knowwhat AS&S 4 3/4"x 1" aluminum spars are rated for strength wise? I have anolder catalogue which lists them but did not give much info. Don'tremember off the top of my head what the price was. Wayne Sippola, WinnipegHello WayneIt is laminated with a type II (interior) phenolic resin glue. This is the same glue used in most cabinetry plywoods throughout the world. The multiply veneers of Baltic give it better strength than plywoods of the same thickness with fewer veneers.Thank you for your email question and good luck on your projects.Glenn NelsonWood Expert________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:08:48 +0100
Sent a query to Windsor plywood on just what kind of glue is used in theirBaltic birch plywood which I have used for all the gussets and sheeting onmy piet and also for the web material on a set of spars. There reply isincluded below for your information. I don't think the fuselage is goingto be a problem, but I suspect I might build up something different for thespars. Not sure what at this point, but I'm not in any rush. Anyone knowwhat AS&S 4 3/4"x 1" aluminum spars are rated for strength wise? I have anolder catalogue which lists them but did not give much info. Don'tremember off the top of my head what the price was. Wayne Sippola, WinnipegHello WayneIt is laminated with a type II (interior) phenolic resin glue. This is the same glue used in most cabinetry plywoods throughout the world. The multiply veneers of Baltic give it better strength than plywoods of the same thickness with fewer veneers.Thank you for your email question and good luck on your projects.Glenn NelsonWood Expert________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2001 07:08:48 +0100
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
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Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Jim Markle"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paintI have had good results using latex on wooden boats.Here is an article you might find interesting_www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html_ (http://www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html) Ted Stone building a corvair powered Piet************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paintI have had good results using latex on wooden boats.Here is an article you might find interesting_www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html_ (http://www.simplicityboats/latexcarnel.html) Ted Stone building a corvair powered Piet************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: TGSTONE236(at)aol.com
I had to add .com to the www.simplicity link below (to make it www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html) but it was well worth it! VERY interesting article!Thanks Ted ----- Original Message -----
I had to add .com to the www.simplicity link below (to make it www.simplicityboats.com/latexcarnel.html) but it was well worth it! VERY interesting article!Thanks Ted ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paintJim,Good article, not only does it makes good sense but sounds like a less expensive alternative to conventional treatments.John************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paintJim,Good article, not only does it makes good sense but sounds like a less expensive alternative to conventional treatments.John************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Larry Williams' fuel tank
Original Posted By: Dan Yocum
Thanks to Santiago & Larry for sharing that.Congratulations on your grandson Larry.Those instructions are great, clear and easy to follow. There should really beno problem building the tank.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Thanks to Santiago & Larry for sharing that.Congratulations on your grandson Larry.Those instructions are great, clear and easy to follow. There should really beno problem building the tank.Jon Coxwell--------Jon Coxwell GN-1 BuilderRecycle and preserve the planetRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Hoo-wee! A 125hp 5 cyl radial!
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
230lbs. That should fit on a Piet. http://motorstarna.com/r-263-engines/ge ... ormation-- yocum(at)gmail.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:07:27 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hoo-wee! A 125hp 5 cyl radial!
230lbs. That should fit on a Piet. http://motorstarna.com/r-263-engines/ge ... ormation-- yocum(at)gmail.com________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:07:27 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Hoo-wee! A 125hp 5 cyl radial!
Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
Tim wrote:>was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex>finish version?No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessaryto use black paint to block the UV that we're trying toblock. In those light wavelengths, any color of housepaint will do the job because they are all formulated tocover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on).> Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent>(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we>conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black,>that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric?In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame.The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lowerleft hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel.>in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush,>can we not see translucent light through light colors in>the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both>above and below the ribs?I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber systemis that the coating must be applied through silver to provideUV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will causethe fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are notnecessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't thinkyou can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under itto block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Tim wrote:>was there a test of a black latex basecoat on a latex>finish version?No. I had read somewhere else that it is not necessaryto use black paint to block the UV that we're trying toblock. In those light wavelengths, any color of housepaint will do the job because they are all formulated tocover and protect a house (or anything else we put it on).> Looking at the all-latex finish that is translucent>(upper right quadrant in your test apparatus), should we>conclude that if one of the base latex coats had been black,>that the light (and UV) would not be passing through the fabric?In that photo, you're looking at the back of the test frame.The translucent panel is completely bare fabric. The lowerleft hand quadrant is the latex-finished panel.>in some Piets finished in standard stuff such as Polybrush,>can we not see translucent light through light colors in>the wings, and thus through two painted fabric layers, both>above and below the ribs?I dunno. Everything I have read about the PolyFiber systemis that the coating must be applied through silver to provideUV protection for the fabric. It is the UV that will causethe fabric to deteriorate in sunlight. The color coats are notnecessary to protect the fabric from UV but I don't thinkyou can just use Poly-Tone without using Poly-Spray under itto block the UV from getting to the polyester fabric.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
> Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Congrats! Fun, ain't it?60-65 on final is a good speed with 50 over the numbers and she'll 3- point every time. Fly a nice high and tight pattern right to final then cut the throttle and manage your speed with pitch (and a little power when you feel the urge). You really can land a Piet in the length of a tennis court with the net up.Got any pictures of your "new" bird?Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 28, 2010, at 2:32 PM, ldmill wrote:> >>> The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for > winds to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph > with severe clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from > a retired gent, and it's finally sitting in my hanger in > Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of t&g, and sightseeing.>> It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open > cockpit - what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, > come to think of it. All tailwheel time to date has been with > instructor cause they don't let the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub > time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It was interesting to have to > keep power in all the way onto the ground. Pulling power completely > off more than about 2 feet above the ground results in brick-like > performance.>> Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun
>> Lorin>> --------> Lorin Miller> Waiex N81YX> GN-1 N30PP>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:13:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1N30PP
Congrats! Fun, ain't it?60-65 on final is a good speed with 50 over the numbers and she'll 3- point every time. Fly a nice high and tight pattern right to final then cut the throttle and manage your speed with pitch (and a little power when you feel the urge). You really can land a Piet in the length of a tennis court with the net up.Got any pictures of your "new" bird?Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 28, 2010, at 2:32 PM, ldmill wrote:> >>> The weather finally cooperated today. Been waiting for 2 weeks for > winds to be under 10 mph - this morning they were gusting to 1mph > with severe clear sky. I bought N30PP, a GN-1 with a Piet wing from > a retired gent, and it's finally sitting in my hanger in > Marshalltown, Iowa. 1.4 hours later of t&g, and sightseeing.>> It was my first flight in a Piet style plane, or even an open > cockpit - what a blast!! Actually, it was my first tailwheel solo, > come to think of it. All tailwheel time to date has been with > instructor cause they don't let the cub go Solo. Glad I had the Cub > time, the Grega flys pretty similar. It was interesting to have to > keep power in all the way onto the ground. Pulling power completely > off more than about 2 feet above the ground results in brick-like > performance.>> Anyway, just had to blabber, I had WAAAAY too much fun
>> Lorin>> --------> Lorin Miller> Waiex N81YX> GN-1 N30PP>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 14:13:10 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight this morning in newly purchased GN-1N30PPRe: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
Shad just gave me (us) a quick rundown of the procedure within the last couple months. Google 'Yocum Shad pietenpol latex site:matronics.com' and you'll probably find the discussion.MEK is involved.Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 28, 2010, at 3:03 PM, r.r.hall(at)cox.net wrote:> One question about Latex paint I haven't seen answered anywahere ia > a procedure or practical way to repair holes or tears. With > other systems it is pretty well spelled out but will fabric glue > stick to the painted fabric and if not how would one go about > removing it? Anyone have suggestions? I would hesitate to paint with > Latex if I didn't have a way to repair it. Rodney Hall>>________________________________________________________________________________
Shad just gave me (us) a quick rundown of the procedure within the last couple months. Google 'Yocum Shad pietenpol latex site:matronics.com' and you'll probably find the discussion.MEK is involved.Dan-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 28, 2010, at 3:03 PM, r.r.hall(at)cox.net wrote:> One question about Latex paint I haven't seen answered anywahere ia > a procedure or practical way to repair holes or tears. With > other systems it is pretty well spelled out but will fabric glue > stick to the painted fabric and if not how would one go about > removing it? Anyone have suggestions? I would hesitate to paint with > Latex if I didn't have a way to repair it. Rodney Hall>>________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I'll be using Benjamin Moore Aura Exterior (Data Sheet attached). These arelow VOC paints who tout a very good cold joint result. One of the ASTM'sthey are tested to is ASTM 522, which is bending the paint over a 1" diamandrel (flexible). Also advertised as "self priming," even over aluminum!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(18 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
I'll be using Benjamin Moore Aura Exterior (Data Sheet attached). These arelow VOC paints who tout a very good cold joint result. One of the ASTM'sthey are tested to is ASTM 522, which is bending the paint over a 1" diamandrel (flexible). Also advertised as "self priming," even over aluminum!Gary BootheCool, Ca.PietenpolWW Corvair Conversion, mountedTail done, Fuselage on gear(18 ribs down.)-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: "GliderMike"
I'm in cleveland about 30 miles north of Birmingham. I would be interested in alittle more info on your where abouts and such. Message me off list, perhapswe can work something out.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
I'm in cleveland about 30 miles north of Birmingham. I would be interested in alittle more info on your where abouts and such. Message me off list, perhapswe can work something out.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Lawrence Williams
There was an article recently in the April 2010 issue of Kitplanes starting atpage 58 that discussed patching when latex paint had been used on Dacron. Itwas in a regular column called "The Dawn Patrol." They used Stewart SystemsEcobond cement for the repair, with reference to AC 43.13-1A Glidden Evermorelatex house paint was the paint, thinned with Floetrol and a little distilledwater.--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 05:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
There was an article recently in the April 2010 issue of Kitplanes starting atpage 58 that discussed patching when latex paint had been used on Dacron. Itwas in a regular column called "The Dawn Patrol." They used Stewart SystemsEcobond cement for the repair, with reference to AC 43.13-1A Glidden Evermorelatex house paint was the paint, thinned with Floetrol and a little distilledwater.--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 05:14:23 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
They didn't remove the original paint. They sanded it "with some 220-grit sandpaper......verygently. (italics theirs). Just a few light swipes to take offthe gloss." (From April 2010 Kitplanes article: The Dawn Patrol)This is not an ad for Kitplanes, but I have found the magazine fills in some gapsthat the EAA magazines don't cover. I wouldn't do without either magazine,and I've not started building yet. Lots of good ideas. You can buy it in hardcopy,or in an e-zine version. I bought both versions, but not sure whetherI'll renew the e-zine version. I got the e-zine version, because I'm on theirmailing list, and they send out a "teaser" when the e-zine version is available,and one time I wanted to read an article before the hard copy arrived, soI bought the e-zine version. The magazine hard copy usually arrives within aweek of when the e-zine does. they charge about the same for the e-zine versionas the hard copy version, and I like having the hard copy for reference.[/i]--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 11:55:57 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
They didn't remove the original paint. They sanded it "with some 220-grit sandpaper......verygently. (italics theirs). Just a few light swipes to take offthe gloss." (From April 2010 Kitplanes article: The Dawn Patrol)This is not an ad for Kitplanes, but I have found the magazine fills in some gapsthat the EAA magazines don't cover. I wouldn't do without either magazine,and I've not started building yet. Lots of good ideas. You can buy it in hardcopy,or in an e-zine version. I bought both versions, but not sure whetherI'll renew the e-zine version. I got the e-zine version, because I'm on theirmailing list, and they send out a "teaser" when the e-zine version is available,and one time I wanted to read an article before the hard copy arrived, soI bought the e-zine version. The magazine hard copy usually arrives within aweek of when the e-zine does. they charge about the same for the e-zine versionas the hard copy version, and I like having the hard copy for reference.[/i]--------Long flights, smooth air, and soft landings,GliderMike, aka Mike GlasgowRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 11:55:57 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
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Shad says the hard part is feathering in the paint over the patch to the existing paint...-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 29, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Rick Holland wrote:> Sounds too easy, just sand, Ecobond a patch of fabric over the tear > and paint. I will try that on my test panel.>> thanks>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 17:11:51 -0400
Shad says the hard part is feathering in the paint over the patch to the existing paint...-- yocum(at)gmail.comOn May 29, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Rick Holland wrote:> Sounds too easy, just sand, Ecobond a patch of fabric over the tear > and paint. I will try that on my test panel.>> thanks>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 17:11:51 -0400
Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
Same plane... load should be about the same.However, the Scout is technically designed around a much less powerful Model Tengine which may account for the number on the website.With only one seat, not sure you could really take advantage of the load capability.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Same plane... load should be about the same.However, the Scout is technically designed around a much less powerful Model Tengine which may account for the number on the website.With only one seat, not sure you could really take advantage of the load capability.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Original Posted By: "Braniff1966"
i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone withlots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites.no one seems to.talk about using an airless.hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
i am practice painting my heath parasol before i oaint my piety.. anyone withlots of experience with latex... paint that is..i have researched some web sites.no one seems to.talk about using an airless.hydeRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motivational Pictures (?)
Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: "tools"
disclaimer i aint recommending an y engine... i do recommend making sure that areal pro does your engine work.. dont be in a hurry to buy one.. spend yourtime and money building..dont miss a day without doig something on your project..good luck, jimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
disclaimer i aint recommending an y engine... i do recommend making sure that areal pro does your engine work.. dont be in a hurry to buy one.. spend yourtime and money building..dont miss a day without doig something on your project..good luck, jimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
That's a damn good question...I've used airless sprayers A LOT over the years, but not on a plane. One problem I do forsee is that they're not very good with small protrusions likecontrol horns and such. Every time I got into a closet with shelves, it wasHARD to get an even coat without TONS of runs. Those things, real airless sprayers,not the little quart cup Wagner, throw TONS of paint, LIKE RIGHT NOW.They're pressure washers throwin' paint.I have used latex through high quality HVLPs with large nozzles to great effecton cabinets and such requiring decent control and an even coat. They came outlooking really great without any paint roller texture or anything.That's all I got! Latex is cheap, give it a shot and let us know how it works.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
That's a damn good question...I've used airless sprayers A LOT over the years, but not on a plane. One problem I do forsee is that they're not very good with small protrusions likecontrol horns and such. Every time I got into a closet with shelves, it wasHARD to get an even coat without TONS of runs. Those things, real airless sprayers,not the little quart cup Wagner, throw TONS of paint, LIKE RIGHT NOW.They're pressure washers throwin' paint.I have used latex through high quality HVLPs with large nozzles to great effecton cabinets and such requiring decent control and an even coat. They came outlooking really great without any paint roller texture or anything.That's all I got! Latex is cheap, give it a shot and let us know how it works.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
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Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especiallyin humid environments.Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problemas the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversionguns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex withoutthinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it throughthe gun).Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'lldo latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available, andsufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:57:56 -0700
Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especiallyin humid environments.Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problemas the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversionguns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latex withoutthinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it throughthe gun).Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'lldo latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available, andsufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:57:56 -0700
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
I like my HF gun with varnish, plan to use it for latex finish coats...Sent from my iPad> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:29 AM, "tools" wrote:> > > Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especiallyin humid environments.> > Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problemas the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.> > Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversionguns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latexwithout thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it throughthe gun).> > Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'lldo latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available,and sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 874#428874> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
I like my HF gun with varnish, plan to use it for latex finish coats...Sent from my iPad> On Aug 20, 2014, at 9:29 AM, "tools" wrote:> > > Insofar as humidity, conversion guns will suffer the usual problems especiallyin humid environments.> > Turbine based HVLP's (way expensive, but you can rent them) don't have this problemas the air is being compressed to spray, not decompressed.> > Also, turbine based systems are quite powerful, as are the more expensive conversionguns. The better guns require A LOT of air. But, you can spray latexwithout thinning (or only thinning as you need for results, not to get it throughthe gun).> > Are there many nozzles available for the HF gun? I've heard a lot of good thingsabout that gun, but they were spraying thin materials. Good to know it'lldo latex, even if requiring some thinning. If larger nozzles are available,and sufficient air is, it might work just as well as the more expensive ones.> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 874#428874> > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Steven Dortch
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Earl Brown with wife Katrina (from PA) try out Piet for size.[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Checkout that very cool use of Larry William's center section for rags/supplies! (Douwe to right of Larry) [cid:image005.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image006.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730][cid:image007.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image008.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Kevin's wife Shelley prepares Curt Merdan's daughter for a ride at Brodhead. Matt Paxton from VA gives a ride to John Recine's Cousin Faith at Brodhead.[cid:image009.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image010.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Gentleman Jack Phillips and Greg Cardinal at Brodhead. Kevin Purtee, Ryan Mueller, Gary Boothe at Brodhead a few years ago.[cid:image011.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image012.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Dan Helsper at Brodhead Jack and Susan Textor with Kevin Purtee, center.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:30:09 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
[cid:image001.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image002.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Earl Brown with wife Katrina (from PA) try out Piet for size.[cid:image003.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image004.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Checkout that very cool use of Larry William's center section for rags/supplies! (Douwe to right of Larry) [cid:image005.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image006.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730][cid:image007.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image008.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Kevin's wife Shelley prepares Curt Merdan's daughter for a ride at Brodhead. Matt Paxton from VA gives a ride to John Recine's Cousin Faith at Brodhead.[cid:image009.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image010.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Gentleman Jack Phillips and Greg Cardinal at Brodhead. Kevin Purtee, Ryan Mueller, Gary Boothe at Brodhead a few years ago.[cid:image011.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] [cid:image012.jpg(at)01CFBC6A.04F3B730] Dan Helsper at Brodhead Jack and Susan Textor with Kevin Purtee, center.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 10:30:09 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paint
Original Posted By: "John Franklin"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paintSaw the video, really impressive, I wasn't aware you could create that type of high gloss finish with latex. You'll have to provide the details of exactly what you used and how you did it from start to finish. Seeing that I can only imagine how many others that may be interested in latex paint over some of the more expensive finishes.In a message dated 8/22/2014 11:43:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gliderx5(at)comcast.net writes:For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL ... e=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny.Malcolm Morrisonwienerdogaero.com____________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: latex paintSaw the video, really impressive, I wasn't aware you could create that type of high gloss finish with latex. You'll have to provide the details of exactly what you used and how you did it from start to finish. Seeing that I can only imagine how many others that may be interested in latex paint over some of the more expensive finishes.In a message dated 8/22/2014 11:43:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gliderx5(at)comcast.net writes:For anyone interested in latex, I just put a very short video on Youtube, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX611NL ... e=youtu.be , that shows the top wing of the Micro Mong biplane that I'm currently working on. The video shows the difference between polishing and not polishing. Both look great. It just depends in the type of finish that you're looking for. I'm a sucker for smooth and shiny.Malcolm Morrisonwienerdogaero.com____________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: "William Wynne"
Been there done that. Very nice John!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Sep 7, 2014, at 2:42 PM, "john francis" wrote:> > > The required first sit pic in the Captains chair!> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 157#430157> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Been there done that. Very nice John!Sent from my iPadJack Textor> On Sep 7, 2014, at 2:42 PM, "john francis" wrote:> > > The required first sit pic in the Captains chair!> > --------> John Francis> > > > > Read this topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 157#430157> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0014_127.jpg> > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: latex paint
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
One of the real hazards of spraying actual nitrocellulose dope is the chemicalsgetting the unprotected sprayer 'stoned' or 'high'. This effect can cause theperson to appear to be drunk, and say bigoted things and loose their grasp onpunctuation and spelling, and even loose the ability to count..........One of the great things about latex or water based systems is that this hazardis eliminated. Thus, if a person working with Latex systems makes statements thatsound intoxicated or bigoted, it is because they are a drunk and a bigot,and the effect can't be blamed of the covering system............$2,300 will buy 10 gallons of Stits Aero-thane or 20 gallons of Stits Poly-tonein the color Daytona Cream. A Heath Parasol is a tiny plane about fifty percentof the surface area of a Cub. It takes 5 gallons of color to do a thick coaton a Cub. ............If you have ever seen my 'zero tolerance tor offensive speech' note about CorvairColleges and wondered what kind of person is not welcome at our events, wonderno longer...... ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 03:53:23 -0700
One of the real hazards of spraying actual nitrocellulose dope is the chemicalsgetting the unprotected sprayer 'stoned' or 'high'. This effect can cause theperson to appear to be drunk, and say bigoted things and loose their grasp onpunctuation and spelling, and even loose the ability to count..........One of the great things about latex or water based systems is that this hazardis eliminated. Thus, if a person working with Latex systems makes statements thatsound intoxicated or bigoted, it is because they are a drunk and a bigot,and the effect can't be blamed of the covering system............$2,300 will buy 10 gallons of Stits Aero-thane or 20 gallons of Stits Poly-tonein the color Daytona Cream. A Heath Parasol is a tiny plane about fifty percentof the surface area of a Cub. It takes 5 gallons of color to do a thick coaton a Cub. ............If you have ever seen my 'zero tolerance tor offensive speech' note about CorvairColleges and wondered what kind of person is not welcome at our events, wonderno longer...... ww.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 03:53:23 -0700