Original Posted By: "Dan Loegering"
Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By:> Dan Loegering
DanQuestion #1 The drawing calles for spruce. But we used ash for the wholelanding gear.If you make perfect landings use spruce Question #2 I don't know.Question #3 Rely on the metal side plates.Glue won't hold on the end grain.Dale> [Original Message]
DanQuestion #1 The drawing calles for spruce. But we used ash for the wholelanding gear.If you make perfect landings use spruce Question #2 I don't know.Question #3 Rely on the metal side plates.Glue won't hold on the end grain.Dale> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear questionIn a message dated 5/1/2007 10:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:Hi Dan,I don't know what others have done, but I can answer for what I did onmy landing gear.The plans call for spruce, and there is no need to use anything heavier.I made mine of 1/4" planks of spruce laminated together, partly forstrength and partly becasue I wanted to run a channel down the middle ofthe strut to hide my hydraulic brake lines (a plane of this type didn'thave haydraulic lines hanging out everywhere in 1929).Is this your gear, Jack. Looks great, whoever it belongs to.Rondo not archive************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear questionIn a message dated 5/1/2007 10:34:56 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Jack.Phillips(at)cardinal.com writes:Hi Dan,I don't know what others have done, but I can answer for what I did onmy landing gear.The plans call for spruce, and there is no need to use anything heavier.I made mine of 1/4" planks of spruce laminated together, partly forstrength and partly becasue I wanted to run a channel down the middle ofthe strut to hide my hydraulic brake lines (a plane of this type didn'thave haydraulic lines hanging out everywhere in 1929).Is this your gear, Jack. Looks great, whoever it belongs to.Rondo not archive************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "Steve Singleton"
DanQ: First - it is spruce that is used for the legs correct? And just ash for the bottom block...A: Yes, and it's what I used.Q: Second - what is the purpose for angling the bottom ash blocks back so they intersect at the tail wheelA: By angling the ask blocks inward it allows the front gear leg to lie within the plane of the rear gear leg. If you do not angle the ash block in ward the rear gear leg will not sit squarely on the block no matter how you cut it. Don't assume that angling it towards the tail wheel will be the correct angle. You need to adjust so it aligns with the rear gear leg and the front gear leg. It just so happens this is about an angle to the tail wheel. The attached pictures shows my landing gear, upside down, the front gear leg is toward you. The vertical block the string is against in the inside edge of the ash block location. As you can see, to get the gear legs to line up in the same plane, the ash block needed to be angled inwards. However, the top view shows that on my setup the angle isn't quite pointing at the tail wheel (the string points at the tail wheel).Q: Third - do you glue the bottom joints from the legs to the ash, or do you rely on the metal side plates to attach these pieces?A: I don't plan on it and do not think you need to.If you can wait, soon I will post how I built my wood gear to my web site (still writing it up). It worked well for me and, although time consuming, it was rather simple to cut the gear legs accurately.Chris TracySacramento, CaWebsite at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com________________________________________________________________________________
DanQ: First - it is spruce that is used for the legs correct? And just ash for the bottom block...A: Yes, and it's what I used.Q: Second - what is the purpose for angling the bottom ash blocks back so they intersect at the tail wheelA: By angling the ask blocks inward it allows the front gear leg to lie within the plane of the rear gear leg. If you do not angle the ash block in ward the rear gear leg will not sit squarely on the block no matter how you cut it. Don't assume that angling it towards the tail wheel will be the correct angle. You need to adjust so it aligns with the rear gear leg and the front gear leg. It just so happens this is about an angle to the tail wheel. The attached pictures shows my landing gear, upside down, the front gear leg is toward you. The vertical block the string is against in the inside edge of the ash block location. As you can see, to get the gear legs to line up in the same plane, the ash block needed to be angled inwards. However, the top view shows that on my setup the angle isn't quite pointing at the tail wheel (the string points at the tail wheel).Q: Third - do you glue the bottom joints from the legs to the ash, or do you rely on the metal side plates to attach these pieces?A: I don't plan on it and do not think you need to.If you can wait, soon I will post how I built my wood gear to my web site (still writing it up). It worked well for me and, although time consuming, it was rather simple to cut the gear legs accurately.Chris TracySacramento, CaWebsite at http://www.Westcoastpiet.com________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
Hi allI am shaping the wood gear legs at the moment and looking at some pictures somehave what looks like tightly wraped string around them for what looks like about2 inches.Is this string? If so what type? Is it of any use or just for looks?Hope I have explained this rightCarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Hi allI am shaping the wood gear legs at the moment and looking at some pictures somehave what looks like tightly wraped string around them for what looks like about2 inches.Is this string? If so what type? Is it of any use or just for looks?Hope I have explained this rightCarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "carson"
On NX18235 it is waxed nylon cord. It might prevent the wood from splitting but it is also cosmetic.See attached picture.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
On NX18235 it is waxed nylon cord. It might prevent the wood from splitting but it is also cosmetic.See attached picture.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "carson"
I was told to use butchers twine which I believe is cotton string. Then cover it with varnish. It might help with splitting but mine will be more for looks.ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
I was told to use butchers twine which I believe is cotton string. Then cover it with varnish. It might help with splitting but mine will be more for looks.ChrisSacramento, CAWestCoastPiet.com----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: "ALAN LYSCARS"
Greg=3B in the picture you posted=2C I assume the airplane was in some sort of dry fit-up and not in airworthy condition at the time since it looks like the bolt that holds the lower end of the lift strut to the fuselage attach fitting is not secured. I also see that there is a castellated nut on that bolt and wonder if you used a nylock there in the final installation?I love the color=2C fit=2C and finish of your airplane. Very sanitary.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Greg=3B in the picture you posted=2C I assume the airplane was in some sort of dry fit-up and not in airworthy condition at the time since it looks like the bolt that holds the lower end of the lift strut to the fuselage attach fitting is not secured. I also see that there is a castellated nut on that bolt and wonder if you used a nylock there in the final installation?I love the color=2C fit=2C and finish of your airplane. Very sanitary.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio=2C TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Michael, Bill, and Ryan,My sincerest thanks go out to you Fellows.It's hard for me to imagine how much more difficult (time consuming) it must have been for those plans building guys in the '60s to collaborate. I really hope that this plans-built stuff is not a dying art.Truly,Al LyscarsManchester, NHJigging the Riblett for GN-1 ----- Original Message -----
Michael, Bill, and Ryan,My sincerest thanks go out to you Fellows.It's hard for me to imagine how much more difficult (time consuming) it must have been for those plans building guys in the '60s to collaborate. I really hope that this plans-built stuff is not a dying art.Truly,Al LyscarsManchester, NHJigging the Riblett for GN-1 ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Riblett Airfoil
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building question
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
The fuselage plans call for wedges placed between the braces in two spots. It lookslike this is reinforcement for the strut hardware at these points. I thisa good interpretation, or should all braces on the fuselage get wedges? Not beinga structural engineer, just wanted to see what some others have done, thanks.SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:47:23 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building question
The fuselage plans call for wedges placed between the braces in two spots. It lookslike this is reinforcement for the strut hardware at these points. I thisa good interpretation, or should all braces on the fuselage get wedges? Not beinga structural engineer, just wanted to see what some others have done, thanks.SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2009 14:47:23 -0600Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage building question
RE: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
OscarThe Jenney used the same style of landing gear and they wrapped the legs to protectthe pilot.Lots fo bad landings in training.I varnished the wood first and then wrapped the legs and soaked the cord to keepit in place.On NX18235 the legs are made of white ash . It's a little heavy but it is holdingup good.Dale----- Original Message -----
OscarThe Jenney used the same style of landing gear and they wrapped the legs to protectthe pilot.Lots fo bad landings in training.I varnished the wood first and then wrapped the legs and soaked the cord to keepit in place.On NX18235 the legs are made of white ash . It's a little heavy but it is holdingup good.Dale----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage building question
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Rick,Thats awesome! Thanks much!SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Rick,Thats awesome! Thanks much!SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Pietenpol-List: wood gear question
Original Posted By: VAHOWDY(at)aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question>>> Getting close to cutting the wood for the gear and just have a couple ofquestions.>> First - it is spruce that is used for the legs correct? And just ash forthe bottom block...>> Second - what is the purpose for angling the bottom ash blocks back sothey intersect at the tail wheel (if you were to extend them all the wayback...)? I understand the reasoning for angling them for clearance whenthe plane is in 3-point attitude, but would there be any reason to not keepthe ash block in line with the wheels (not angled inward towards the tailwheel)? It would make the bottom cuts much easier to make without theinward cant.>> Third - do you glue the bottom joints from the legs to the ash, or do yourely on the metal side plates to attach these pieces?>> Thanks!>> Dan Loegering> Fargo, ND>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: wood gear question>>> Getting close to cutting the wood for the gear and just have a couple ofquestions.>> First - it is spruce that is used for the legs correct? And just ash forthe bottom block...>> Second - what is the purpose for angling the bottom ash blocks back sothey intersect at the tail wheel (if you were to extend them all the wayback...)? I understand the reasoning for angling them for clearance whenthe plane is in 3-point attitude, but would there be any reason to not keepthe ash block in line with the wheels (not angled inward towards the tailwheel)? It would make the bottom cuts much easier to make without theinward cant.>> Third - do you glue the bottom joints from the legs to the ash, or do yourely on the metal side plates to attach these pieces?>> Thanks!>> Dan Loegering> Fargo, ND>>________________________________________________________________________________