Original Posted By: jkahn(at)picasso.dehavilland.ca (John Kahn)
Hi all, I'm new to Pietenpols and to chat groups. I'm planning on building aCorvair powered Aircamper using fir (the wood, not the animal skin). Ivisited Brodhead '97' and got hooked. I have plans and 3 piece wing plans. I'm waiting on wood landing gear plans and the manual from Don Pietenpol. I hope to start cutting wood in a month or so, but there are manydistractions. I'm also a glider pilot and instructor, and I coach my son'ssoccer team in spring and fall. I love all of these activities, so Ifigure the Piet project will take many, many years. Should be fun though. It's great to see such a well developed support and information network inplace.Happy Flying, Malcolm Morrison________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: TLC62770
That makes two glider pilot/instructors on the list... cooel...John Kahn________________________________________________________________________________
That makes two glider pilot/instructors on the list... cooel...John Kahn________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "William C. Beerman"
Almost three, I've got the CFIG test standards in one hand and Don'splans in the other.So many toys, so little time! Larry (1-26 #524)John Kahn wrote:> That makes two glider pilot/instructors on the list... cooel...>> John Kahn________________________________________________________________________________
Almost three, I've got the CFIG test standards in one hand and Don'splans in the other.So many toys, so little time! Larry (1-26 #524)John Kahn wrote:> That makes two glider pilot/instructors on the list... cooel...>> John Kahn________________________________________________________________________________
New Guy
Original Posted By: TomTravis(at)aol.com
Subject: New Guy Hello, I am new to the list and a new builder of the Air Camper. I was atOshkosh, and talked to someone there woh had a Pietenpol, and although Iwas always interested in building one, I got hooked after seeing oneface to face. My brother and I are planning on building one as ourfirst project. He's started a project before, and so have I, but thePietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals, and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions that maybe someone would be willing to help out with. First, on the fuselage, the overall dimension of 13'-5" is given,but if the bottom dimensions of the longeron is added up it is a 1/4"different. Then if the other views are added up they actually equal13'-5 1/2". Which is correct? Or am I missing something here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. If you lay them out per the plansin the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don't match on a few dimensions,and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is a dimension of 57/16" given. Wehn this is laid out, it actually gives the arifoil a1/4" dip at that point. These questions are hopefully not to stupid and I realize that mostof you have already gotten into the ntty gritty and have done somebuilding of you planes already. I would appreciate any advice withthese questions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get into this,we'll have more. Thanks Tom Brant________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: New Guy Hello, I am new to the list and a new builder of the Air Camper. I was atOshkosh, and talked to someone there woh had a Pietenpol, and although Iwas always interested in building one, I got hooked after seeing oneface to face. My brother and I are planning on building one as ourfirst project. He's started a project before, and so have I, but thePietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals, and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions that maybe someone would be willing to help out with. First, on the fuselage, the overall dimension of 13'-5" is given,but if the bottom dimensions of the longeron is added up it is a 1/4"different. Then if the other views are added up they actually equal13'-5 1/2". Which is correct? Or am I missing something here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. If you lay them out per the plansin the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don't match on a few dimensions,and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is a dimension of 57/16" given. Wehn this is laid out, it actually gives the arifoil a1/4" dip at that point. These questions are hopefully not to stupid and I realize that mostof you have already gotten into the ntty gritty and have done somebuilding of you planes already. I would appreciate any advice withthese questions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get into this,we'll have more. Thanks Tom Brant________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: LanhamOS(at)aol.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy>Any suggestions out there on how to keep jigs from warping? My rib jig hasa>tendency to warp even though I have edged it with metal L-brackets. I can>clamp it to my work bench while I make the ribs but any suggestions wouldbe>welcome.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy>Any suggestions out there on how to keep jigs from warping? My rib jig hasa>tendency to warp even though I have edged it with metal L-brackets. I can>clamp it to my work bench while I make the ribs but any suggestions wouldbe>welcome.>>________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Hello,I am new to the list and a new builder of the Air Camper. I was atOshkosh, and talked to someone there woh had a Pietenpol, and although Iwas always interested in building one, I got hooked after seeing oneface to face. My brother and I are planning on building one as ourfirst project. He's started a project before, and so have I, but thePietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals, and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions that maybe someone would be willing to help out with.First, on the fuselage, the overall dimension of 13'-5" is given, but ifthe bottom dimensions of the longeron is added up it is a 1/4"different. Then if the other views are added up they actually equal13'-5 1/2". Which is correct? Or am I missing something here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. If you lay them out per the plansin the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don't match on a few dimensions,and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is a dimension of 57/16" given. Wehn this is laid out, it actually gives the arifoil a1/4" dip at that point.These questions are hopefully not to stupid and I realize that most ofyou have already gotten into the ntty gritty and have done some buildingof you planes already. I would appreciate any advice with thesequestions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get into this, we'llhave more. ThanksTom BrantHello,I am new to the list and a newbuilder of theAir Camper. I was at Oshkosh, and talked to someone there woh hadaPietenpol, and although I was always interested in building one, I gothookedafter seeing one face to face. My brother and I are planning onbuildingone as our first project. He's started a project before, and sohave I,but the Pietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals,and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions thatmaybe someone would be willing to help out with.First, on the fuselage, the overalldimension of13'-5 is given, but if the bottom dimensions of the longeron isadded upit is a 1/4 different. Then if the other views are added uptheyactually equal 13'-5 1/2. Which is correct? Or am Imissingsomething here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. Ifyou laythem out per the plans in the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don'tmatch on afew dimensions, and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is adimension of 5 7/16 given. Wehn this is laid out, itactually givesthe arifoil a 1/4 dip at that point.These questions are hopefully not tostupid andI realize that most of you have already gotten into the ntty gritty andhavedone some building of you planes already. I would appreciate anyadvicewith these questions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get intothis, we'llhave more. ThanksTom Brant________________________________________________________________________________
Hello,I am new to the list and a new builder of the Air Camper. I was atOshkosh, and talked to someone there woh had a Pietenpol, and although Iwas always interested in building one, I got hooked after seeing oneface to face. My brother and I are planning on building one as ourfirst project. He's started a project before, and so have I, but thePietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals, and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions that maybe someone would be willing to help out with.First, on the fuselage, the overall dimension of 13'-5" is given, but ifthe bottom dimensions of the longeron is added up it is a 1/4"different. Then if the other views are added up they actually equal13'-5 1/2". Which is correct? Or am I missing something here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. If you lay them out per the plansin the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don't match on a few dimensions,and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is a dimension of 57/16" given. Wehn this is laid out, it actually gives the arifoil a1/4" dip at that point.These questions are hopefully not to stupid and I realize that most ofyou have already gotten into the ntty gritty and have done some buildingof you planes already. I would appreciate any advice with thesequestions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get into this, we'llhave more. ThanksTom BrantHello,I am new to the list and a newbuilder of theAir Camper. I was at Oshkosh, and talked to someone there woh hadaPietenpol, and although I was always interested in building one, I gothookedafter seeing one face to face. My brother and I are planning onbuildingone as our first project. He's started a project before, and sohave I,but the Pietenpol looks more realistic as far as something that we couldactually complete. He bought the 1931 and 1932 Flying and glidermanuals,and looking throught them, we've found a few questions on somedimensions thatmaybe someone would be willing to help out with.First, on the fuselage, the overalldimension of13'-5 is given, but if the bottom dimensions of the longeron isadded upit is a 1/4 different. Then if the other views are added uptheyactually equal 13'-5 1/2. Which is correct? Or am Imissingsomething here??? Another question is on the wing ribs. Ifyou laythem out per the plans in the manual, the 1931 and 1932 plans don'tmatch on afew dimensions, and also, very near to the center of the rib, there is adimension of 5 7/16 given. Wehn this is laid out, itactually givesthe arifoil a 1/4 dip at that point.These questions are hopefully not tostupid andI realize that most of you have already gotten into the ntty gritty andhavedone some building of you planes already. I would appreciate anyadvicewith these questions though, and I,m sure as we continue to get intothis, we'llhave more. ThanksTom Brant________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: tmbrant
Tom; Some of the Air Camper builders on this list can help you as I think Ihave seen references to these items before. I would try to help but Ihave a Scout, a single seat version.Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
Tom; Some of the Air Camper builders on this list can help you as I think Ihave seen references to these items before. I would try to help but Ihave a Scout, a single seat version.Earl Myers -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: Earl Myers
Any suggestions out there on how to keep jigs from warping? My rib jig has a tendency to warp even though I have edged it with metal L-brackets. I can clamp it to my work bench while I make the ribs but any suggestions would be welcome. ________________________________________________________________________________
Any suggestions out there on how to keep jigs from warping? My rib jig has a tendency to warp even though I have edged it with metal L-brackets. I can clamp it to my work bench while I make the ribs but any suggestions would be welcome. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: TomTravis(at)aol.com
I used double thick particle board for my rib jigs. Never noticed anywarping but then I did the ribs right off on each of my planes. Same for theWright "B" ribs, flybaby, Dormoy some on a Longster..................Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
I used double thick particle board for my rib jigs. Never noticed anywarping but then I did the ribs right off on each of my planes. Same for theWright "B" ribs, flybaby, Dormoy some on a Longster..................Earl Myers-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Alan Lyscars"
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area.Tim White937 325 5625________________________________________________________________________________
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area.Tim White937 325 5625________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Terry Hall"
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! ________________________________________________________________________________
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Terry Hall"
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol. I've ordered the plans and have talked frequently to a Pietenpol builder (His plane was wrecked an is hanging in his hangar), but I still have many questions. I would like to see a Pietenpol up close, sit in it (for fit), and ask questions. I'm not looking for a free ride, just want to become smarter before I start investing money. I live in Springfield Ohio and would like to visit a Pietenpol owner in this area. Tim White 937 325 5625" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... ---------- Explore the seven wonders of the =en-US&form=QBRE' target='_new'>Learn more! href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piet ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Rob Hart
RobThanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).Thanks,Tim ----- Original Message -----
RobThanks for the reply and encouragement. Really enjoy reading your builder's log (I've put it in my favorites).Thanks,Tim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Tim White
Tim,Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.Terry HallSky Scout builderAda, OK ----- Original Message -----
Tim,Are you considering buying or building? Just wondering.Terry HallSky Scout builderAda, OK ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By:
Hello everyone,What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts appreciated.Terry Hall________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control CablesDate: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:42 -0400
Hello everyone,What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers? Both cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts appreciated.Terry Hall________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control CablesDate: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:21:42 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Tim White
Tim, Welcome to the list. I have a GN-1 in Parkersburg WV you can sit in. I amabout 1 1/2 hours 172 time or 4 hours auto time away from Springfield.The GN-1's pilot pit is somewhat smaller than that of any Piet. GN-1 is 23 1/4".1934 plans Piet is 29" and the Corvair Piet is 31". These dimensions are beforeadd on stuff like seat back, seat back foam, instrument panel and cock pitcoaming.Skip----- Original Message -----
Tim, Welcome to the list. I have a GN-1 in Parkersburg WV you can sit in. I amabout 1 1/2 hours 172 time or 4 hours auto time away from Springfield.The GN-1's pilot pit is somewhat smaller than that of any Piet. GN-1 is 23 1/4".1934 plans Piet is 29" and the Corvair Piet is 31". These dimensions are beforeadd on stuff like seat back, seat back foam, instrument panel and cock pitcoaming.Skip----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: Terry Hall
Terry,I asked my AP-IA the same question and he said the local cable (if it is labeledaircraft) is perfectly OK. When I checked prices, Aircraft Spruce was actuallycheaper, so I went with Aircraft Spruce.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Terry,I asked my AP-IA the same question and he said the local cable (if it is labeledaircraft) is perfectly OK. When I checked prices, Aircraft Spruce was actuallycheaper, so I went with Aircraft Spruce.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Terry Hall
Terry,Although there are finished and partially finished projects for sale, most are of some distance. I've strongly considered travelling to look at them, but my wife told me she thought the whole idea was to build the plane myself and she was right! Therefore I'm building from scratch, but have many questions regarding engine, short or long fuselage, wider, door for passenger, GN-1 or original, etc.Tim ----- Original Message -----
Terry,Although there are finished and partially finished projects for sale, most are of some distance. I've strongly considered travelling to look at them, but my wife told me she thought the whole idea was to build the plane myself and she was right! Therefore I'm building from scratch, but have many questions regarding engine, short or long fuselage, wider, door for passenger, GN-1 or original, etc.Tim ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: Terry Hall
If it is real aircraft control cable there is no difference. The sure way to tell is closely looking inside the strands of wire. There should be thin strands of red fibers in the cable. It is there to tell you if the cable has been over stressed. If it has the fibers break and stick out of the windings. ( little red flags)Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
If it is real aircraft control cable there is no difference. The sure way to tell is closely looking inside the strands of wire. There should be thin strands of red fibers in the cable. It is there to tell you if the cable has been over stressed. If it has the fibers break and stick out of the windings. ( little red flags)Dick N. ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: Dick Navratil
I have seen he same cable at hardware stores and it is called aircraft cable, it is also labled with a warning not to be used for aircraft. I didn't know about the red fiber test. Is that on all aircraft cable or just some? I have never seen it while cutting the cable I have from wicks. -scott ----- Original Message -----
I have seen he same cable at hardware stores and it is called aircraft cable, it is also labled with a warning not to be used for aircraft. I didn't know about the red fiber test. Is that on all aircraft cable or just some? I have never seen it while cutting the cable I have from wicks. -scott ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: "davissign"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control CablesIn a message dated 8/29/2007 1:09:42 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport(at)cableone.net writes:What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers?Both cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts appreciated.Terry,The cable sold by aircraft parts suppliers have an inspection process that ensures the cable is of sufficient quality for aircraft application. The pricereflects the cost of this additional process, and it then has the stamp of theFAA or PMA (Parts Manufacturers Associoation) approval.Chuck G.NX770CGhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control CablesIn a message dated 8/29/2007 1:09:42 PM Central Daylight Time, adaairport(at)cableone.net writes:What is the difference between the "aircraft control cable" that I can buy locally and the "aircraft control cable" for sale by aircraft parts suppliers?Both cables appear identical including similarity in price. Any thoughts appreciated.Terry,The cable sold by aircraft parts suppliers have an inspection process that ensures the cable is of sufficient quality for aircraft application. The pricereflects the cost of this additional process, and it then has the stamp of theFAA or PMA (Parts Manufacturers Associoation) approval.Chuck G.NX770CGhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Rcaprd(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyIn a message dated 8/29/2007 8:57:54 AM Central Daylight Time, aa5flyer(at)gmail.com writes:I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol.Tim,Welcome to the list !! This is the place to have your questions answered. I put up a web site to show others the experience I have had with this wonderful hobby. Check out my web site: _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) Chuck G.Wichita, KSNX770CGhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyIn a message dated 8/29/2007 8:57:54 AM Central Daylight Time, aa5flyer(at)gmail.com writes:I've been reading this list for about two months and have decided to build a Pietenpol.Tim,Welcome to the list !! This is the place to have your questions answered. I put up a web site to show others the experience I have had with this wonderful hobby. Check out my web site: _http://nx770cg.com/_ (http://nx770cg.com/) Chuck G.Wichita, KSNX770CGhttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Tim White
Tim,I think that you will enjoy the building process. I've found the experience very rewarding. Good luck.Terry HallSky Scout builder ----- Original Message -----
Tim,I think that you will enjoy the building process. I've found the experience very rewarding. Good luck.Terry HallSky Scout builder ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Glenn W. Thomas"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyTim,Welcome, its always nice to see another join the builder ranks. I think we all go through a research cycle of information , then existing projects availability and finally resolve to build or rebuild. I know when I started myproject 8 months ago I was more interested in the flying part and thought building was a means to an end. Somewhere along the line I began to enjoy the build process more and more.I find it to be challenging and frustrating at time, however those times are quickly washed away by the more settling Zen of the project. I am finding the actual journey of the build a most rewarding and enjoyable exercise. I cannot speak for the motivations or the rewards experienced by other buildersI can only relate my experience.Enjoy the journey first, the reward is sure to follow.Having been to Broadhead for the first time this year I have seen the rewards of the builders and listened to the stories. I look forward to the timethat I too can join that exclusive club of builders and of flying my build toBroadhead for a peer review. I can think of no reward more gratifying than to meet the builders head on and have them review my work also. I have met no finer a group to be associated with and believe you will come to respect them and to enjoy them. Good luck and like the rest of our exclusive band of Piet enthusiast, if there is anything I can do to help or assistance I can provide, I am at your dispposal. My thoughts to share as you begin your journey!John Recinehttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:52:33 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New GuyTim,Welcome, its always nice to see another join the builder ranks. I think we all go through a research cycle of information , then existing projects availability and finally resolve to build or rebuild. I know when I started myproject 8 months ago I was more interested in the flying part and thought building was a means to an end. Somewhere along the line I began to enjoy the build process more and more.I find it to be challenging and frustrating at time, however those times are quickly washed away by the more settling Zen of the project. I am finding the actual journey of the build a most rewarding and enjoyable exercise. I cannot speak for the motivations or the rewards experienced by other buildersI can only relate my experience.Enjoy the journey first, the reward is sure to follow.Having been to Broadhead for the first time this year I have seen the rewards of the builders and listened to the stories. I look forward to the timethat I too can join that exclusive club of builders and of flying my build toBroadhead for a peer review. I can think of no reward more gratifying than to meet the builders head on and have them review my work also. I have met no finer a group to be associated with and believe you will come to respect them and to enjoy them. Good luck and like the rest of our exclusive band of Piet enthusiast, if there is anything I can do to help or assistance I can provide, I am at your dispposal. My thoughts to share as you begin your journey!John Recinehttp://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 09:52:33 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: EAA opinion
Original Posted By: "Gordon Bowen"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinion> Just wanted to give my opinion on the EAA descussion.> Even though I'd tried to join the EAA a few years ago, and it was > a joke. (The whole meeting was about who didn't bring enough beer > at the last picnic. and who need to put in more time at the next > raffle. Nothing about building planes).> > I think that it's obvious that everyone is waiting for someone to > amaze them with a lecture on some aspect of airplane building. > Like there is some great plan by someone to put on shows for the > builders.NO,,,,I think that anyone who is half way through a > building project is qualified to give their own presentation at an > EAA meeting.> I wish that I had the gift of Gab, and could share what I know > properly, to the newcommers. But I don't.> People who are halfway to completion ,,or less,,could greatly > contribute to the new guy who just got his plans. On stuff > like,,,how to cut a good wood joint, glueing, setting up a > shop, Or making a rib jig. > > Don't join the EAA to BE served,,,> Do join to serve the ones who haven't done it yet> > Walt Evans> NX140DL> "No one ever learned anything by talking"________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinion> Just wanted to give my opinion on the EAA descussion.> Even though I'd tried to join the EAA a few years ago, and it was > a joke. (The whole meeting was about who didn't bring enough beer > at the last picnic. and who need to put in more time at the next > raffle. Nothing about building planes).> > I think that it's obvious that everyone is waiting for someone to > amaze them with a lecture on some aspect of airplane building. > Like there is some great plan by someone to put on shows for the > builders.NO,,,,I think that anyone who is half way through a > building project is qualified to give their own presentation at an > EAA meeting.> I wish that I had the gift of Gab, and could share what I know > properly, to the newcommers. But I don't.> People who are halfway to completion ,,or less,,could greatly > contribute to the new guy who just got his plans. On stuff > like,,,how to cut a good wood joint, glueing, setting up a > shop, Or making a rib jig. > > Don't join the EAA to BE served,,,> Do join to serve the ones who haven't done it yet> > Walt Evans> NX140DL> "No one ever learned anything by talking"________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Glenn W. Thomas"
After reading through the "Value of EAA" topic I decided to email the EAA and givethem some of my ideas since I'm not alone and not necessarily negative onthe EAA. I presented many of the ideas that were discussed in this thread andsome thoughts on how to bring people with frustrations like mine back into theEAA fold. Some of the ideas I presented included expanding the EAA workshoptours to include more stops (none in the Northeast right now), AirVenture buildersworkshops could be expanded to include something more than a beginner'swelcome adding some advanced subjects like tooling, constructing jigs and tools,and producing books that have plans for such that EAA could offer as some newmaterial. Overall, just something to make the homebuilders who feel they are"the original EAA" to feel less displaced. I had a phone conversation withthe Media and Public Affairs representative, Dick Knapinski, and he encouragedme to provide more feedback and seemed to appreciate that I came to him withsome suggestions rather than complaints. Of course, change remains to be seen,and it will take time, but I got a general sense that my input would be reviewedand that they were interested in hearing public outcry for things. If anyoneis inclined to do the same you should email him at dknapinski(at)eaa.org. Worst case scenario if you continue to feel disenfrancised by the EAA it willbe through no fault of your own. Time will tell.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:46:07 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
After reading through the "Value of EAA" topic I decided to email the EAA and givethem some of my ideas since I'm not alone and not necessarily negative onthe EAA. I presented many of the ideas that were discussed in this thread andsome thoughts on how to bring people with frustrations like mine back into theEAA fold. Some of the ideas I presented included expanding the EAA workshoptours to include more stops (none in the Northeast right now), AirVenture buildersworkshops could be expanded to include something more than a beginner'swelcome adding some advanced subjects like tooling, constructing jigs and tools,and producing books that have plans for such that EAA could offer as some newmaterial. Overall, just something to make the homebuilders who feel they are"the original EAA" to feel less displaced. I had a phone conversation withthe Media and Public Affairs representative, Dick Knapinski, and he encouragedme to provide more feedback and seemed to appreciate that I came to him withsome suggestions rather than complaints. Of course, change remains to be seen,and it will take time, but I got a general sense that my input would be reviewedand that they were interested in hearing public outcry for things. If anyoneis inclined to do the same you should email him at dknapinski(at)eaa.org. Worst case scenario if you continue to feel disenfrancised by the EAA it willbe through no fault of your own. Time will tell.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2007 12:46:07 -0500 (CDT)Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: New Guy
Original Posted By: "Terry Hall"
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Meeting notes..--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet ... __________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07
Original Posted By: "Steve Ruse"
Steve,Thanks for the invite, but I'll be out of town that weekend. BTW, the Ada Airport is closed for a couple of weeks while the constuction company begins our taxiway reconstruction project. Save the Bob's BBQ runs for another time. Terry----- Original Message -----
Steve,Thanks for the invite, but I'll be out of town that weekend. BTW, the Ada Airport is closed for a couple of weeks while the constuction company begins our taxiway reconstruction project. Save the Bob's BBQ runs for another time. Terry----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Fly-in/Lunch - Slaughterville, OK - Sept. 8th '07
Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: "walt evans"
Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinion
Original Posted By: walt evans
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinionBeen sitting on the sidelines and agree with most of what is said, both pro andcon EAA (I don't have to be consistant.) Two of three EAA chapters that I havebeen around did what you describe below, Every meeting someone gets up and discusseswhat they have been building, demonstrates a skill such as cutting foamwith a hotwire or reviewing how to do a new weight and balance chart for yourairplane. It is often as informal as everyone going over to someone's hangerand asking questions. The third EAA chapter was more of a social club but thosewho were building got togather and "networked" Pleasant experiences all threetimes. One big thing for me. "Don't ever ask me to sell hotdogs! if you need $20 I willgive it but don't assume I want to work really hard for just a little money!"Blue Skies, Steve Dortch----- Original Message -----
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA opinionBeen sitting on the sidelines and agree with most of what is said, both pro andcon EAA (I don't have to be consistant.) Two of three EAA chapters that I havebeen around did what you describe below, Every meeting someone gets up and discusseswhat they have been building, demonstrates a skill such as cutting foamwith a hotwire or reviewing how to do a new weight and balance chart for yourairplane. It is often as informal as everyone going over to someone's hangerand asking questions. The third EAA chapter was more of a social club but thosewho were building got togather and "networked" Pleasant experiences all threetimes. One big thing for me. "Don't ever ask me to sell hotdogs! if you need $20 I willgive it but don't assume I want to work really hard for just a little money!"Blue Skies, Steve Dortch----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: EAA Opinions
Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
If the EAA was serious about understanding what the actual homebuilders are thinking, they'd lurk in the various internet based forums like ours. I know Knapinski lurks in the yahoo based canard-pusher group because he occasionally has a comment posted, after that group (about 650 members, with 30-50 active posters to the website) starts a bitching session about the EAA's do nothing attitude. Every forum group I attend has bitch sessions, we in the Piete group ain't alone in this. Someone in the EAA may actually lurk with many forum groups but yet don't seem to give a crap, what actual homebuilders think or write. Fact is--- Air Venture is their only reason being and this annual Oshcash project benefits only the commerical businesses that make money from all aviator/builders and the tourism of the great State of Wisconsin (love the cheese and Packers). They make very little money running workshops for actual builders, so you can fergitaboutit. The forum tents are non-money makers. Think about it, if the new EAA was really serious about supporting the building and designing, they'd be the computer web node for all things homebuilt aviation, they don't host any free forums. They'd host on their computers this and other forums, they'd have a research data bank with all tricks, techniques and details developed by homebuilders for building planes, but they don't. What would it cost them to web host and sort data banks of the last 40 years of homebuilt aviation's innovations? The reason they don't do it is because they're in the tourism business, webhosting wouldn't make them a penny. Dick K. if you're lurking out there somewhere, you can contact me if you're really interested in why old members like me have not contributed to the EAA coffers for many years. I'm one of those foolish guys 20 years ago who did the free composites workshop and spoke at the forum tents multiple times, but no more. Guys like Paul P, Wittman, etc. are no more, so the EAA is just another way of sucking money and waste time of homebuilders. Want guys like me back? Come back to the EAA's roots and quit cowtowing to the big aviation interest. Dick (if you're lurkin'), when is the last time any one of you guys in Oshcash actually built or designed a simple low cost homebuilt and put it in the public domain?Gordon Bowen----- Original Message -----
If the EAA was serious about understanding what the actual homebuilders are thinking, they'd lurk in the various internet based forums like ours. I know Knapinski lurks in the yahoo based canard-pusher group because he occasionally has a comment posted, after that group (about 650 members, with 30-50 active posters to the website) starts a bitching session about the EAA's do nothing attitude. Every forum group I attend has bitch sessions, we in the Piete group ain't alone in this. Someone in the EAA may actually lurk with many forum groups but yet don't seem to give a crap, what actual homebuilders think or write. Fact is--- Air Venture is their only reason being and this annual Oshcash project benefits only the commerical businesses that make money from all aviator/builders and the tourism of the great State of Wisconsin (love the cheese and Packers). They make very little money running workshops for actual builders, so you can fergitaboutit. The forum tents are non-money makers. Think about it, if the new EAA was really serious about supporting the building and designing, they'd be the computer web node for all things homebuilt aviation, they don't host any free forums. They'd host on their computers this and other forums, they'd have a research data bank with all tricks, techniques and details developed by homebuilders for building planes, but they don't. What would it cost them to web host and sort data banks of the last 40 years of homebuilt aviation's innovations? The reason they don't do it is because they're in the tourism business, webhosting wouldn't make them a penny. Dick K. if you're lurking out there somewhere, you can contact me if you're really interested in why old members like me have not contributed to the EAA coffers for many years. I'm one of those foolish guys 20 years ago who did the free composites workshop and spoke at the forum tents multiple times, but no more. Guys like Paul P, Wittman, etc. are no more, so the EAA is just another way of sucking money and waste time of homebuilders. Want guys like me back? Come back to the EAA's roots and quit cowtowing to the big aviation interest. Dick (if you're lurkin'), when is the last time any one of you guys in Oshcash actually built or designed a simple low cost homebuilt and put it in the public domain?Gordon Bowen----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: Scott Schreiber
ScottYou have to look carefully to see the fibers. Unwind a inch or so of cable you will see them if they are there.Dick ----- Original Message -----
ScottYou have to look carefully to see the fibers. Unwind a inch or so of cable you will see them if they are there.Dick ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Control Cables
Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Sky Scout and GN-1 wings
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Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Peter Hays
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
During Copperstate week I met Gary Boothe at the local Spaghetti Company Restaurantand was able to pick his brain for Piet info. I finally recieved the plansand was able to go over a few details that had been unclear. Great company andgood info-Thanks Gary. Also Thanks to The creator of the West Coast Piet website as I have been lurking and have gleaned much useful info there as wellas to admire the rest of your finished Piet's and build progress. Saturday at Copperstate I met Glider Mike and Dennis Hall. Dennis spent the dayshowing off his fabulous Piet AKA Blue Heron Airplane. It was a chick magnetand Dennis seemed up for the task. He seemed to relish his role as master builder/localsex object. It was by far the largest crowd producer on the ramp.That was with some other stunning airplanes vying for attention as well. It wasa pleasure to meet both and gain some much needed hands on with a well builtPiet. Thank you to all who tolerated my questions. Attached is a photo of theCopperstate Riff Raff at Dennise's plane. The tall gentleman to the left ismy very good friend Dennis Mclain with whom I will be building the Piet. The middleis Dennis Hall and the left is Glider Mike. All in all a great day at anexcellent Copperstate event. The weather was beautiful with very light winds. Cheers all, Bryan Reed--------While I may not always be right, I apologize well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/copp ... ______Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:08:18 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
During Copperstate week I met Gary Boothe at the local Spaghetti Company Restaurantand was able to pick his brain for Piet info. I finally recieved the plansand was able to go over a few details that had been unclear. Great company andgood info-Thanks Gary. Also Thanks to The creator of the West Coast Piet website as I have been lurking and have gleaned much useful info there as wellas to admire the rest of your finished Piet's and build progress. Saturday at Copperstate I met Glider Mike and Dennis Hall. Dennis spent the dayshowing off his fabulous Piet AKA Blue Heron Airplane. It was a chick magnetand Dennis seemed up for the task. He seemed to relish his role as master builder/localsex object. It was by far the largest crowd producer on the ramp.That was with some other stunning airplanes vying for attention as well. It wasa pleasure to meet both and gain some much needed hands on with a well builtPiet. Thank you to all who tolerated my questions. Attached is a photo of theCopperstate Riff Raff at Dennise's plane. The tall gentleman to the left ismy very good friend Dennis Mclain with whom I will be building the Piet. The middleis Dennis Hall and the left is Glider Mike. All in all a great day at anexcellent Copperstate event. The weather was beautiful with very light winds. Cheers all, Bryan Reed--------While I may not always be right, I apologize well.Read this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/copp ... ______Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2011 17:08:18 -0500Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
Original Posted By: "skellytown flyer"
I need some advice from the group.I have found a Lycoming O-235 engine in pieces here locally. Supposedly, the seller'sdad was an A&P and he had started to rebuild it when he passed away about5 years ago. He says that he has the engine logbook for it, but he does notknow what aircraft the engine came out of, number of hours on the engine, etc.It appears to have most of the parts, according to him. It has one magneto,no carburetor, and the crank (I think) has a tag indicating it has been magnafluxed. The case is together and has been painted, which would hint at the factit is a good case. He has sold other cases his dad had, and none of the buyerscomplained later about the case they purchased being bad. He wants $950 forthe lot.I have not gone to look at it yet, but I wanted to ask some questions.1. Is the O-235 too heavy for the metal fuselage (13 and 1/2 foot length) thatI purchased recently. Is it going to give me any W&B issues in that combination?2. I am being honest here- I am not a gearhead, so what should I look for?3. Is that a good price for a good engine in pieces?4. Any other words of advice?Thanks in advance for your advice.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scre ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
I need some advice from the group.I have found a Lycoming O-235 engine in pieces here locally. Supposedly, the seller'sdad was an A&P and he had started to rebuild it when he passed away about5 years ago. He says that he has the engine logbook for it, but he does notknow what aircraft the engine came out of, number of hours on the engine, etc.It appears to have most of the parts, according to him. It has one magneto,no carburetor, and the crank (I think) has a tag indicating it has been magnafluxed. The case is together and has been painted, which would hint at the factit is a good case. He has sold other cases his dad had, and none of the buyerscomplained later about the case they purchased being bad. He wants $950 forthe lot.I have not gone to look at it yet, but I wanted to ask some questions.1. Is the O-235 too heavy for the metal fuselage (13 and 1/2 foot length) thatI purchased recently. Is it going to give me any W&B issues in that combination?2. I am being honest here- I am not a gearhead, so what should I look for?3. Is that a good price for a good engine in pieces?4. Any other words of advice?Thanks in advance for your advice.--------Semper Fi,Terry HandRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/scre ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
Original Posted By: "carson"
I think you can get some weight comparisons on-line- the price sounds pretty temptingto me too. I do think I have seen in various posts that the 235 is gettingreally expensive to overhaul due to really high prices of rings and otherkey parts. also seems like there was a worse than average problem with them leadingup spark plugs.I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's not right but I believethat's one reason a lot of folks have tried to go to other engines. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
I think you can get some weight comparisons on-line- the price sounds pretty temptingto me too. I do think I have seen in various posts that the 235 is gettingreally expensive to overhaul due to really high prices of rings and otherkey parts. also seems like there was a worse than average problem with them leadingup spark plugs.I'm sure I'll be corrected if that's not right but I believethat's one reason a lot of folks have tried to go to other engines. RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Lycoming O-235 to purchase
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: "carson"
Terry I got my 235 for $1500 missing pots mags and carbI brought an overhaul manual and got every part new that the manual recommended including .10 oversize pistons for about $2200 from http://aircraft-specialties.com/ not sure where they are but somewhere in the states. I got the pot over here due to the cost of shippingCarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Terry I got my 235 for $1500 missing pots mags and carbI brought an overhaul manual and got every part new that the manual recommended including .10 oversize pistons for about $2200 from http://aircraft-specialties.com/ not sure where they are but somewhere in the states. I got the pot over here due to the cost of shippingCarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: "Jack"
For the guys that have riveted there tank What type of rivets have you used?And how good is the pro seal?CarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
For the guys that have riveted there tank What type of rivets have you used?And how good is the pro seal?CarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Carson, the fuel tank sealant is very good, Vans sells it herehttp://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cg ... ct=proseal I used plain steel pop-rivets. JackDSM-----Original Message-----
Carson, the fuel tank sealant is very good, Vans sells it herehttp://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cg ... ct=proseal I used plain steel pop-rivets. JackDSM-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Try pasting this...http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/cat ... ct=proseal -----Original Message-----
Try pasting this...http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/cat ... ct=proseal -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: New Guy
Original Posted By: Jim Boyer
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Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending 5052 Fuel Tank
Original Posted By: Michael Perez