Original Posted By: Isablcorky(at)aol.com
G'day, low 'n' slow fliers-I was reading the July issue of BPA Newsletter and there is an item there about a Corvair-powered Piet that went down in Camden, AL and is for sale as a repair project. Anybody know about this airplane?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags@hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
More about the Piet that I'm trying to get info on. It is N40WH, constructed byWilliam Hencken and registered as powered by A/C-75 Continental but now hasa Corvair on it. Or did have, before it went on its nose.Judging from the small image that came out in the July BPA Newsletter, it has a"Der Faker Fokker" paint job with iron crosses on the side and a rounded WWI-stylerudder.Any of this ringing a bell with anybody?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
More about the Piet that I'm trying to get info on. It is N40WH, constructed byWilliam Hencken and registered as powered by A/C-75 Continental but now hasa Corvair on it. Or did have, before it went on its nose.Judging from the small image that came out in the July BPA Newsletter, it has a"Der Faker Fokker" paint job with iron crosses on the side and a rounded WWI-stylerudder.Any of this ringing a bell with anybody?Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Well, my friend Mark Langford flew his KR down to Camden, AL on Saturday to surveythe Piet project that is available down there. It turns out to be N40WH,a Piet with some GN-1 modifications and a "Germanized" set of tail feathers. It also has the Scout-like external bellcranks for the elevator cables, whichadd to the old-timey look. It originally flew in something like 1993 with a Continental75 on it, then somewhere along the way it got a Corvair on the nose.It went down when the throttle cable came loose on takeoff and the engine couldn'tdevelop full power.The damage is fairly extensive but not real bad in any one place. Landing gearis damaged (both legs), the tailwheel ripped off along with a section of thetailpost and lower longerons, part of the rudder is bashed up, both wingtips andone or two ribs inboard from there, one of the wing struts is in two pieces,the engine cowlings are complete toast, the engine mount has damage to severaltubes, the firewall is toast, the fuel tank (wing center section) has damageand is leaking, and the list goes on. The pictures show lots of dried sludge,dirt, wasp nests, rust and corrosion, and general neglect from it sitting untouchedsince the accident. But none of it is serious enough to make me thinkthat it is unrepairable. Much of it is the same as what 41CC had two yearsago, which has piqued my interest in acquiring this project in hopes of gettinganother sad bunch of dirty and beat-up airplane parts back in the air.It is one of the few Piets I've ever seen with complete instrumentation in bothcockpits. It also has an interesting toe brake setup.I don't know... I may make Mr. Furman an offer on the project and see if I getsomething to start working on this winter! In the BPA Newsletter ad he's asking$8000 or best offer. I think the amount he's asking is more than it's worth,but there is quite a bit of potential there for somebody who wants the challengeof a restoration and repair. If he takes the offer, sometime in NovemberI'll be pulling a trailer down along the Gulf coast and would be happy to stopin and say hello to any Pieters along the way either coming or going.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Well, my friend Mark Langford flew his KR down to Camden, AL on Saturday to surveythe Piet project that is available down there. It turns out to be N40WH,a Piet with some GN-1 modifications and a "Germanized" set of tail feathers. It also has the Scout-like external bellcranks for the elevator cables, whichadd to the old-timey look. It originally flew in something like 1993 with a Continental75 on it, then somewhere along the way it got a Corvair on the nose.It went down when the throttle cable came loose on takeoff and the engine couldn'tdevelop full power.The damage is fairly extensive but not real bad in any one place. Landing gearis damaged (both legs), the tailwheel ripped off along with a section of thetailpost and lower longerons, part of the rudder is bashed up, both wingtips andone or two ribs inboard from there, one of the wing struts is in two pieces,the engine cowlings are complete toast, the engine mount has damage to severaltubes, the firewall is toast, the fuel tank (wing center section) has damageand is leaking, and the list goes on. The pictures show lots of dried sludge,dirt, wasp nests, rust and corrosion, and general neglect from it sitting untouchedsince the accident. But none of it is serious enough to make me thinkthat it is unrepairable. Much of it is the same as what 41CC had two yearsago, which has piqued my interest in acquiring this project in hopes of gettinganother sad bunch of dirty and beat-up airplane parts back in the air.It is one of the few Piets I've ever seen with complete instrumentation in bothcockpits. It also has an interesting toe brake setup.I don't know... I may make Mr. Furman an offer on the project and see if I getsomething to start working on this winter! In the BPA Newsletter ad he's asking$8000 or best offer. I think the amount he's asking is more than it's worth,but there is quite a bit of potential there for somebody who wants the challengeof a restoration and repair. If he takes the offer, sometime in NovemberI'll be pulling a trailer down along the Gulf coast and would be happy to stopin and say hello to any Pieters along the way either coming or going.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Question about short fuse with a Corvair
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Perhaps the designer shed some light on why he chose to lengthen thefuselage. Was there anything in writing on the subject by Mr. Pietenpol? -----Original Message-----
Perhaps the designer shed some light on why he chose to lengthen thefuselage. Was there anything in writing on the subject by Mr. Pietenpol? -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I agree. I bought a complete fuselage, centre section, and a full set ofribs with spar stock and so forth for $2500.-----Original Message-----
I agree. I bought a complete fuselage, centre section, and a full set ofribs with spar stock and so forth for $2500.-----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
I can't think of anything on this plane worth close to $8k. It would be easier to build the big stuff like fuselage and wings from scratch and reuse the fittings and hardware. There would always be that thought in the back of your mind as you were flying "did I really find EVERY crack?"My $ .02 worthBarry Davis----- Original Message -----
I can't think of anything on this plane worth close to $8k. It would be easier to build the big stuff like fuselage and wings from scratch and reuse the fittings and hardware. There would always be that thought in the back of your mind as you were flying "did I really find EVERY crack?"My $ .02 worthBarry Davis----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Oscar Zuniga"
Oscar,I'd probably not buy sight unseen, $8K sounds kinda high for a wrecked homebuilt of any type unless the engine alone is worth that amount. Or wings are off an original Cub or T-craft and are undamaged. I only paid $4.5K for N-1033B 4 years ago with bidding on E-bay, wings like new off Aeronca. Could have parted out and got my money back. But put additional $6K with upgrade to 0-235 engine and now have flying machine. This rebuild was mostly working with 4130 and then recovering with Stits and replacing engine. I think you'll have a lot more money in rebuilding this airplane than it gonna be worth if you pay $8K for the wreck. This Piete is my second project from wrecked, and my rule of thumb is not to pay for a wreck more than I could immediately get out of it by parting out. You can get fair prices on values of instruments, engine parts, OEM wings, etc. by calling Wentworth or looking in Trade-a-plane. But it's really hard to put a value on someone else's homebuilt work on the fuselage or wings.Gordon----- Original Message -----
Oscar,I'd probably not buy sight unseen, $8K sounds kinda high for a wrecked homebuilt of any type unless the engine alone is worth that amount. Or wings are off an original Cub or T-craft and are undamaged. I only paid $4.5K for N-1033B 4 years ago with bidding on E-bay, wings like new off Aeronca. Could have parted out and got my money back. But put additional $6K with upgrade to 0-235 engine and now have flying machine. This rebuild was mostly working with 4130 and then recovering with Stits and replacing engine. I think you'll have a lot more money in rebuilding this airplane than it gonna be worth if you pay $8K for the wreck. This Piete is my second project from wrecked, and my rule of thumb is not to pay for a wreck more than I could immediately get out of it by parting out. You can get fair prices on values of instruments, engine parts, OEM wings, etc. by calling Wentworth or looking in Trade-a-plane. But it's really hard to put a value on someone else's homebuilt work on the fuselage or wings.Gordon----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By:
Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Robert Gow"
Guys, I never said I thought the project was worth $8K. It isn't. I will probablymake the gentleman an offer but it won't be $8K.Believe me, I would not be going into something like this without eyes wide open,but what concerns me is that a substantially worthwhile airframe may go underthe chainsaw unless someone with the time and interest sees it as having anotherlife left in it.Thanks for all the comments.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Guys, I never said I thought the project was worth $8K. It isn't. I will probablymake the gentleman an offer but it won't be $8K.Believe me, I would not be going into something like this without eyes wide open,but what concerns me is that a substantially worthwhile airframe may go underthe chainsaw unless someone with the time and interest sees it as having anotherlife left in it.Thanks for all the comments.Oscar ZunigaSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Sometimes a chainsaw is the best tool to use. But you won't know till yousee it.Bob-----Original Message-----
Sometimes a chainsaw is the best tool to use. But you won't know till yousee it.Bob-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
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RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
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Harvey,That 0.03CN is cruel, I gotta drive out of Alaska thru 3000 miles of lovely O'Canada this winter and really not looking forward to seeing the diesel fuel costs along the Alcan, probably +$7.00CN/gal in Watson Lake.Gordon----- Original Message -----
Harvey,That 0.03CN is cruel, I gotta drive out of Alaska thru 3000 miles of lovely O'Canada this winter and really not looking forward to seeing the diesel fuel costs along the Alcan, probably +$7.00CN/gal in Watson Lake.Gordon----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
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A few months ago I questioned the value of the EAA, particularly my local chapterciting their lack of interest in anything other than RVs and other metal orfiberglass planes. Today I got a rather suprising call from one of the chapter members that I meta year ago, only one time, who knew of some spruce that someone had and no longerwanted. He saw the wood while picking through the other stuff this agingretired glider builder was about to throw out and thought of me and my Pietenpolproject, and then looked me up in the chapter directory and called me aboutit. It turns out that this gentleman has 3 rough-cut 2" x 6" x 14' pieces ofsitka spruce that he is giving away. I'm not as excited that I am getting aton of free spruce as I am that someone in the chapter actually thought of myproject and went out of their way to see that I was notified of it. Shame onme for judging the whole chapter on the comments of a few. My attendance hasbeen so poor since I gave up on them that I can't even remember what the niceguy that called me looks like. ...but I will make a point of going to futurechapter meetings and thanking him personally.I now see the value in local chapters and feel that my previous negative commentswere premature. I may find that wood is unusable (but I hear it is quite nice).Although the majority of the chapter couldn't care less about an old woodenplane, this act of kindness/generosity, not to mention interest in Pietenpols,has caused me to reflect on the good fortune of now having a total of 5people to date who have become great resources, mentors and friends. In mathematicalterms.. 4 > 0 and there is great value in having even 1 local resourceto help you through this process. This has been afforded to me through my EAAmembership. I just felt that having made negative comments in the past I neededto add something at this point to be fair.Eating crow,--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, ALDate: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:54:26 -0400
A few months ago I questioned the value of the EAA, particularly my local chapterciting their lack of interest in anything other than RVs and other metal orfiberglass planes. Today I got a rather suprising call from one of the chapter members that I meta year ago, only one time, who knew of some spruce that someone had and no longerwanted. He saw the wood while picking through the other stuff this agingretired glider builder was about to throw out and thought of me and my Pietenpolproject, and then looked me up in the chapter directory and called me aboutit. It turns out that this gentleman has 3 rough-cut 2" x 6" x 14' pieces ofsitka spruce that he is giving away. I'm not as excited that I am getting aton of free spruce as I am that someone in the chapter actually thought of myproject and went out of their way to see that I was notified of it. Shame onme for judging the whole chapter on the comments of a few. My attendance hasbeen so poor since I gave up on them that I can't even remember what the niceguy that called me looks like. ...but I will make a point of going to futurechapter meetings and thanking him personally.I now see the value in local chapters and feel that my previous negative commentswere premature. I may find that wood is unusable (but I hear it is quite nice).Although the majority of the chapter couldn't care less about an old woodenplane, this act of kindness/generosity, not to mention interest in Pietenpols,has caused me to reflect on the good fortune of now having a total of 5people to date who have become great resources, mentors and friends. In mathematicalterms.. 4 > 0 and there is great value in having even 1 local resourceto help you through this process. This has been afforded to me through my EAAmembership. I just felt that having made negative comments in the past I neededto add something at this point to be fair.Eating crow,--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, ALDate: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 06:54:26 -0400
RE: Pietenpol-List: Piet in Camden, AL
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"