Original Posted By: AmsafetyC(at)aol.com
To:Subject: Pietenpol-List: Markle in DenverBeware if you let Jim visit your project in Denver. This man is a four-flusher,a charlatan, a pick-pocket, thief, and supposed member of the mafia. He might seem like a nice guy on the surface but hide yourwife, jewels, and other items of worth when he visits. Check the post office for likenesses of him too.....just in case.Jim's friend, Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "Dick Navratil"
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet John wrote: I fit in the standard width naked and greased. John, Please do us all a favor andNOT share withus the details of how you know this tobe true. ________________________________________________________________________________
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet John wrote: I fit in the standard width naked and greased. John, Please do us all a favor andNOT share withus the details of how you know this tobe true. ________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: Steve Eldredge
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize pietJohn wrote:I fit in the standard width naked and greased.John,Please do us all a favor and NOT share with us the details of how you know thisto be true.________________________________________________________________________________
To:Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize pietJohn wrote:I fit in the standard width naked and greased.John,Please do us all a favor and NOT share with us the details of how you know thisto be true.________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "jimd"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet Ken,I am eagerly awaiting the logo design of the wide body . As I too have widened mine to accommodate me and any additional clothing I choose to wear. Ifit in the standard width naked and greased. I rather prefer to wear clothing when flying mine as it makes purchasing fuel a lot less hazardous and certainlyless comical, not wanting to be the butt of FBO jokes I am certain you can appreciate my situation.So bring it on my man! and lets see what the wide body Logo looks like!JohnIn a message dated 1/29/2008 3:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:I must chime in here too. I am 6'0 and 265lbs. I made my fuse 4" wider at the front and the taper gives me enough room at the rear cockpit to fit insidewith extra room! I have also added length for W/b issues....I will also have added to the wing span and it should be reducing my wing loading as such. I am following the plans but making the necessary changes to make sure it accommodates my frame. Then....am I not a purest? Only because of my size am Imaking the necessary adjustments to allow me to enjoy the great plane called pietenpol. I can see now that my new logo for the "wide body" pietenpol must be completed for all to see and designate the differences between "standard" and "wide body" piets.Ken HFargo, NDOwen Davies wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies Among other interesting observations, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> You're imagining something like what Jim Ducey is doing, putting a Tigre on his Piet. Not sure how the Menasco and LOM compare to the Tigre for power and weight, but you're in the same ballpark design-wise.Dry weight of the 75hp LOM is 152 lb, with the 140 hp model coming in at 249 lb. A 125 hp Menasco C4 Pirate is 284 lb dry. The 150 hp CASA Tigre IV lists at 264 lb. The 125 hp version is a little lighter, but I can't find the number at the moment.I hope Mr. Ducey has beefed up the front end of his Pete-alike. The weight is fine, but all that horsepower would scare me.Owen Daviesnewly resubscribed, with five wing ribs in the garage and restored enthusiasm to complete the plane after many years in color=#0000ff>Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet Ken,I am eagerly awaiting the logo design of the wide body . As I too have widened mine to accommodate me and any additional clothing I choose to wear. Ifit in the standard width naked and greased. I rather prefer to wear clothing when flying mine as it makes purchasing fuel a lot less hazardous and certainlyless comical, not wanting to be the butt of FBO jokes I am certain you can appreciate my situation.So bring it on my man! and lets see what the wide body Logo looks like!JohnIn a message dated 1/29/2008 3:24:53 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, kmheidecpo(at)yahoo.com writes:I must chime in here too. I am 6'0 and 265lbs. I made my fuse 4" wider at the front and the taper gives me enough room at the rear cockpit to fit insidewith extra room! I have also added length for W/b issues....I will also have added to the wing span and it should be reducing my wing loading as such. I am following the plans but making the necessary changes to make sure it accommodates my frame. Then....am I not a purest? Only because of my size am Imaking the necessary adjustments to allow me to enjoy the great plane called pietenpol. I can see now that my new logo for the "wide body" pietenpol must be completed for all to see and designate the differences between "standard" and "wide body" piets.Ken HFargo, NDOwen Davies wrote:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Owen Davies Among other interesting observations, Oscar Zuniga wrote:> You're imagining something like what Jim Ducey is doing, putting a Tigre on his Piet. Not sure how the Menasco and LOM compare to the Tigre for power and weight, but you're in the same ballpark design-wise.Dry weight of the 75hp LOM is 152 lb, with the 140 hp model coming in at 249 lb. A 125 hp Menasco C4 Pirate is 284 lb dry. The 150 hp CASA Tigre IV lists at 264 lb. The 125 hp version is a little lighter, but I can't find the number at the moment.I hope Mr. Ducey has beefed up the front end of his Pete-alike. The weight is fine, but all that horsepower would scare me.Owen Daviesnewly resubscribed, with five wing ribs in the garage and restored enthusiasm to complete the plane after many years in color=#0000ff>Kenneth M. Heide, BA, CPO, FAAOP(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exer ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Original Posted By: "Bill Church"
It is a sad tale I found my self on this small obscure road just past the pryorOklahoma. When I came upon a nice little spread owned by a Texas chicken farmer.I pulled into the drive way and was promptly greeted by this rather tall farmertype in bib overalls. The farmer invited me to see a project he was workingon, intrigud I agreed to follow him to his work shop where he had the makinsof an airplane he told me he was building a model A Pietenpol, and yes he surewas. He offered me a beer or two and soon offered me a chance to sit in hisairplane. Well the first try didn't go so well. He suggested I remove some ofthe bulky clothing soon I was naked then he handed me some grease suggestingit as an approved method. Next think I knew I was in the rear pit seated andmaking the flying noise. I turned back to tell the farmer it worked only tofind Markle running down the drive way with my cloths in hand laughing as he tookoff with all my belongings wallet keys cash an all. Embarrasing as it was I learned a valuable lesson about Piets and friendly farmers.Sorry to have to put you all through the tale the Dr said it would get easier eachtime I tell it One step at a time he says I got 11 more to goWow I feel better now for sharingThanksJohn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
It is a sad tale I found my self on this small obscure road just past the pryorOklahoma. When I came upon a nice little spread owned by a Texas chicken farmer.I pulled into the drive way and was promptly greeted by this rather tall farmertype in bib overalls. The farmer invited me to see a project he was workingon, intrigud I agreed to follow him to his work shop where he had the makinsof an airplane he told me he was building a model A Pietenpol, and yes he surewas. He offered me a beer or two and soon offered me a chance to sit in hisairplane. Well the first try didn't go so well. He suggested I remove some ofthe bulky clothing soon I was naked then he handed me some grease suggestingit as an approved method. Next think I knew I was in the rear pit seated andmaking the flying noise. I turned back to tell the farmer it worked only tofind Markle running down the drive way with my cloths in hand laughing as he tookoff with all my belongings wallet keys cash an all. Embarrasing as it was I learned a valuable lesson about Piets and friendly farmers.Sorry to have to put you all through the tale the Dr said it would get easier eachtime I tell it One step at a time he says I got 11 more to goWow I feel better now for sharingThanksJohn Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of AmsafetyC(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize pietMore funny is picturing you spending 90 min typing this story in with your thumbson the blackberry.Stevee-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize pietMore funny is picturing you spending 90 min typing this story in with your thumbson the blackberry.Stevee-----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22Thanks for the insight into the Fairchild Jack. I'm ordering the drawings off a guy on ebay. Should be good for study. I'm putting together a list of things I liked about my 10 years of piet flying, and those that I'd like changed. I have the bug to design my own as part of the fun, so hey why not build a bigger piet? Maybe in 80 years a bunch of guys will spend their day jawboning about purist 'Super Piet's'Steve E.
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22Thanks for the insight into the Fairchild Jack. I'm ordering the drawings off a guy on ebay. Should be good for study. I'm putting together a list of things I liked about my 10 years of piet flying, and those that I'd like changed. I have the bug to design my own as part of the fun, so hey why not build a bigger piet? Maybe in 80 years a bunch of guys will spend their day jawboning about purist 'Super Piet's'Steve E.
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Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22So who own's Corky's 1CC? anyone on the list? I don't remember hearing much aboutit...Steve E-----Original Message-----
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22So who own's Corky's 1CC? anyone on the list? I don't remember hearing much aboutit...Steve E-----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "jimd"
I am covering the wings right now and part of the stitts manual doesn't seem to really apply to the Piet 3 piece wing. The pictures and text refer to the butt rib as a mostly solid rib where ours are an open lattice without much to anchor fabric to and allot of areas of fabric to be cut away around spars and cable runs. Did those of you who have covered your planes cut it off flush with the end of the 1/16 ply on top of the rib or did you carry it all the way across the rib as in the stitts manual? I have about a foot hanging over now so I can go either way. -Scott________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
I am covering the wings right now and part of the stitts manual doesn't seem to really apply to the Piet 3 piece wing. The pictures and text refer to the butt rib as a mostly solid rib where ours are an open lattice without much to anchor fabric to and allot of areas of fabric to be cut away around spars and cable runs. Did those of you who have covered your planes cut it off flush with the end of the 1/16 ply on top of the rib or did you carry it all the way across the rib as in the stitts manual? I have about a foot hanging over now so I can go either way. -Scott________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: Owen Davies
Owen,Nothing dicey about my plane. The St. Croix Pietenpol Aerial.. which is what the biplane part of the design comesfrom, suggest 85-150hp engines. The W&B is fine on it. The motor mounts forthe ENMA Tigre are impressive, look like they could handle 300hp. The frameis solid, built by an A&P with 30 yrs experience, my technical counselor (alsoan A&P) was impressed with the construction, so I have no concerns about thosethings.I was concerned about my skill for covering the wings, as there are a lot of fittings,and wing area (just over 250 sq ft) to cover, so I am taking a 3 day class,have already gone through a 5 DVD video course on it, have gone throughthe EAA video on it and the PolyFiber manual. Suspect it will turn out fine.How will it perform, well we will see when it flys, however it should end up weighingabout 750lbs empty, with 250 sq ft of wing and 125hp, that should makefor SuperCub take-offs, with enough drag to make a comfortable 65-70 cruise foran open air two hole biplane. Max speed should be around 95-100mph.Then engine is a well built aircraft engine, not a converted car engine, the basicairframe is Grega GN-1, a proven design, the biplane conversion has been doneto quite a few planes. If I seem hesitant and concerned in my posts, wellit is part of my personality more so than a reflection on my view of the project.I think anyone wanting to get snooty about a plane being a "frankenpiet", has apetty attitude. According to the Grega website, John Grega didn't set out to pervert the Pietenpol,he wanted to be able to put a passenger in the front seat easier, and hanga modern engine off the Piet, and ended up making a number of changes to accomplishthat end. Chad Wille's Pietenpol Aerial has a similar story, he wanted to make a biplaneversion of a Piet, that modified the original as little as possible. The lowerwing attaches to the same fittings that the lift stuts used, the remainder ofthe rigging is as minimally invasive as possible, an existing Piet could be convertedpretty easily.I didn't start out wanting a white elephant of an airplane, had a lot of J-3 Cubtime and wanted a Cub. Then looked at Piet's as they were more affordable, andopen cockpit. Watching a video of someone get in the front seat, made me thinkI might want a GN-1, and then as I was looking for a GN-1 or Piet project,my biplane GN-1 project showed up and not only met all my criteria, it blew themaway. While I wanted a J-3, I think I will end up with something I wouldn'ttrade for a SuperCub.To each his own,JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:07:20 -0500
Owen,Nothing dicey about my plane. The St. Croix Pietenpol Aerial.. which is what the biplane part of the design comesfrom, suggest 85-150hp engines. The W&B is fine on it. The motor mounts forthe ENMA Tigre are impressive, look like they could handle 300hp. The frameis solid, built by an A&P with 30 yrs experience, my technical counselor (alsoan A&P) was impressed with the construction, so I have no concerns about thosethings.I was concerned about my skill for covering the wings, as there are a lot of fittings,and wing area (just over 250 sq ft) to cover, so I am taking a 3 day class,have already gone through a 5 DVD video course on it, have gone throughthe EAA video on it and the PolyFiber manual. Suspect it will turn out fine.How will it perform, well we will see when it flys, however it should end up weighingabout 750lbs empty, with 250 sq ft of wing and 125hp, that should makefor SuperCub take-offs, with enough drag to make a comfortable 65-70 cruise foran open air two hole biplane. Max speed should be around 95-100mph.Then engine is a well built aircraft engine, not a converted car engine, the basicairframe is Grega GN-1, a proven design, the biplane conversion has been doneto quite a few planes. If I seem hesitant and concerned in my posts, wellit is part of my personality more so than a reflection on my view of the project.I think anyone wanting to get snooty about a plane being a "frankenpiet", has apetty attitude. According to the Grega website, John Grega didn't set out to pervert the Pietenpol,he wanted to be able to put a passenger in the front seat easier, and hanga modern engine off the Piet, and ended up making a number of changes to accomplishthat end. Chad Wille's Pietenpol Aerial has a similar story, he wanted to make a biplaneversion of a Piet, that modified the original as little as possible. The lowerwing attaches to the same fittings that the lift stuts used, the remainder ofthe rigging is as minimally invasive as possible, an existing Piet could be convertedpretty easily.I didn't start out wanting a white elephant of an airplane, had a lot of J-3 Cubtime and wanted a Cub. Then looked at Piet's as they were more affordable, andopen cockpit. Watching a video of someone get in the front seat, made me thinkI might want a GN-1, and then as I was looking for a GN-1 or Piet project,my biplane GN-1 project showed up and not only met all my criteria, it blew themaway. While I wanted a J-3, I think I will end up with something I wouldn'ttrade for a SuperCub.To each his own,JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 02:07:20 -0500
Re: Pietenpol-List: Butt rib covering
Original Posted By: Scott Schreiber
Scott,Carry the fabric all the way across the rib and then cut openings as needed for cables, etc...Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Scott,Carry the fabric all the way across the rib and then cut openings as needed for cables, etc...Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: Owen Davies
Owen,Thanks for the comments.I would love to have a Bucker Jungmann as well, and was aware that the Tigre wasthe engine in a number of them. With a Cub over my budget, there was no chanceof a Bucker.It took a lot of searching, but I found someone with an electronic copy of theTigre manuals, and Oscar Zuniga said he or his cousin could translate them toEnglish. Sent him all but the biggest file, will probably have to snail mail aCD to him, as its pretty big.Not sure where you find the engines. Quite a few of the Bucker folks have multipleones with their projects, see adds on barnstormer for Buckers with Tigre engines,and a couple spares, frequently. Bucker Prado sells parts and completeengines, at high prices, like 24K for a complete parts Tigre (not necessarilya ready to go engine.) On the biplane forum site there is a Bucker sub groupand they discuss the engines from time to time, and have said they can be hadfor as little as a $1000. So like anything else thats old, you can find deals,and ultimately they cost whatever you and seller agree to, plus shipping.If someone offered me big bucks for my engine I would probably sell and go fora 110hp Rotec Radial. The original Pietenpol Aerial biplane had a radial engineand looked pretty cool, but my reasons would be to have a current engine witha company still in business behind it. If the Tigre doesn't work out I willgo with an 0-290, or 0-200, as I think I will need at least a 100 hp with myweight, the extra wing, and the hot summers we get here in the midwest. I am including a couple of pics of biplane piets. Notice one has a 6cyl lycoming,those are heavier than the Tigre.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/apie ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:54:05 -0500
Owen,Thanks for the comments.I would love to have a Bucker Jungmann as well, and was aware that the Tigre wasthe engine in a number of them. With a Cub over my budget, there was no chanceof a Bucker.It took a lot of searching, but I found someone with an electronic copy of theTigre manuals, and Oscar Zuniga said he or his cousin could translate them toEnglish. Sent him all but the biggest file, will probably have to snail mail aCD to him, as its pretty big.Not sure where you find the engines. Quite a few of the Bucker folks have multipleones with their projects, see adds on barnstormer for Buckers with Tigre engines,and a couple spares, frequently. Bucker Prado sells parts and completeengines, at high prices, like 24K for a complete parts Tigre (not necessarilya ready to go engine.) On the biplane forum site there is a Bucker sub groupand they discuss the engines from time to time, and have said they can be hadfor as little as a $1000. So like anything else thats old, you can find deals,and ultimately they cost whatever you and seller agree to, plus shipping.If someone offered me big bucks for my engine I would probably sell and go fora 110hp Rotec Radial. The original Pietenpol Aerial biplane had a radial engineand looked pretty cool, but my reasons would be to have a current engine witha company still in business behind it. If the Tigre doesn't work out I willgo with an 0-290, or 0-200, as I think I will need at least a 100 hp with myweight, the extra wing, and the hot summers we get here in the midwest. I am including a couple of pics of biplane piets. Notice one has a 6cyl lycoming,those are heavier than the Tigre.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/apie ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:54:05 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: Jim Markle
Owen,Corvair would probably be the best choice, as I could be sure of what I had, andcould afford it. Read that the Corvair's burn about four and a half gallons of fuel an hour, thatshalf what the Tigre will. (And the Tigre needs a pint of oil an hour, due tobeing inverted I think.) Wouldn't take many hours for that to make a big difference.With mogas having alcohol in it now, and 100LL costing a lot, it couldcut the fuel cost in half or better. Over the course of a 1000 hrs that couldmake a heck of a difference. Maybe my next project should be refitting witha Corvair?Anyone have a Venturay conversion flying in a Piet? They looked interesting, sellcomplete engine for $6200 I think.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:23:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Owen,Corvair would probably be the best choice, as I could be sure of what I had, andcould afford it. Read that the Corvair's burn about four and a half gallons of fuel an hour, thatshalf what the Tigre will. (And the Tigre needs a pint of oil an hour, due tobeing inverted I think.) Wouldn't take many hours for that to make a big difference.With mogas having alcohol in it now, and 100LL costing a lot, it couldcut the fuel cost in half or better. Over the course of a 1000 hrs that couldmake a heck of a difference. Maybe my next project should be refitting witha Corvair?Anyone have a Venturay conversion flying in a Piet? They looked interesting, sellcomplete engine for $6200 I think.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2008 13:23:55 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "jimd"
Oscar,I am patient, and appreciate anything you do, as you certainly are doing me a favor.The magneto's are interesting to me if for no other reason than their size,they look almost like dual starters sitting on top of the engine. One is complete,one is missing a bolt like thing on the propeller side with a wire feedingin to it. If I knew what that was called I might be able to find one, thoughi think I will end up having to fabricate one.Those automatic translation programs are funny, I played with them a bit. Havea voice typing program that you can talk into a microphone and the program convertsyour words to text.. if you watch it you stop every few seconds, its a hootto talk for about 10 minutes before looking, as then there will be crazy stuffwritten out. Lot of fun, but slower than typing normally for me.Thanks Oscar,JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Oscar,I am patient, and appreciate anything you do, as you certainly are doing me a favor.The magneto's are interesting to me if for no other reason than their size,they look almost like dual starters sitting on top of the engine. One is complete,one is missing a bolt like thing on the propeller side with a wire feedingin to it. If I knew what that was called I might be able to find one, thoughi think I will end up having to fabricate one.Those automatic translation programs are funny, I played with them a bit. Havea voice typing program that you can talk into a microphone and the program convertsyour words to text.. if you watch it you stop every few seconds, its a hootto talk for about 10 minutes before looking, as then there will be crazy stuffwritten out. Lot of fun, but slower than typing normally for me.Thanks Oscar,JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: "Michael Silvius"
Have to admit a Tailwind or Buttercup is very appealing. Heard one of the Tailwindswas able to run 170 on 85hp. Thats pretty good for a 1950's design. Saw thatsomeone made a retractable gear one, and wondered what it would take to makeone with a cantilever aluminum wet wing, with a Corvair engine, would makea pretty cool cross county plane... course it would be smarter to leave it asdesigned, as that is a proven design.Think the highly touted Corvair crank failures would make me think twice aboutusing one for anything aerobatic, certainly wouldn't do it with a prop extension.Probably like the GPU engines, if it wasn't designed to handle forces frompropellers, it may work but you wouldn't want to push it to any kind of extremelimit, which is what aerobatics can easily do. Wonder if anyone has built onefor that purpose, put in inverted fuel/oil, etc?JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Have to admit a Tailwind or Buttercup is very appealing. Heard one of the Tailwindswas able to run 170 on 85hp. Thats pretty good for a 1950's design. Saw thatsomeone made a retractable gear one, and wondered what it would take to makeone with a cantilever aluminum wet wing, with a Corvair engine, would makea pretty cool cross county plane... course it would be smarter to leave it asdesigned, as that is a proven design.Think the highly touted Corvair crank failures would make me think twice aboutusing one for anything aerobatic, certainly wouldn't do it with a prop extension.Probably like the GPU engines, if it wasn't designed to handle forces frompropellers, it may work but you wouldn't want to push it to any kind of extremelimit, which is what aerobatics can easily do. Wonder if anyone has built onefor that purpose, put in inverted fuel/oil, etc?JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
> Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22
Original Posted By: "Jim Markle"
> To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22>>> Jim,>> He can't. Ask any purist.>> Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp;> - List Contribution Web Site ;> ========================>>> ------------------------------> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shapein the new year.>> *>>> *>>-- Rick HollandObjectAge Ltd.Castle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________
> To:pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet or Fairchild 22>>> Jim,>> He can't. Ask any purist.>> Dan Helsper> Poplar Grove, e the es y --> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS nbsp;> - List Contribution Web Site ;> ========================>>> ------------------------------> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shapein the new year.>> *>>> *>>-- Rick HollandObjectAge Ltd.Castle Rock, Colorado________________________________________________________________________________
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
>To:>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet >>> >John wrote: > >I fit in the standard width naked and greased. > > >John, >Please do us all a favor and NOT share with us the details of how you know thisto be true. > > >>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:04:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00)
>To:>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Oversize piet >>> >John wrote: > >I fit in the standard width naked and greased. > > >John, >Please do us all a favor and NOT share with us the details of how you know thisto be true. > > >>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2008 23:04:05 -0600 (GMT-06:00)