Original Posted By: "Gene Rambo"
Okay guys, I'm getting ready to paint (dope) my wings and tail feathers. Would you share with me what you used to paint your N numbers? I've heard sign painters paint, dope, enamel... I'll likely hand paint them since I'm an artist and have a pretty steady hand.Any suggestions and experiences are appreciated. The wings will be orange and the numbers black.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________
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Re: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
any of the above will work. Use whatever you are comfortable with.Gene ----- Original Message -----
any of the above will work. Use whatever you are comfortable with.Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "Gary Boothe"
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4" instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or radium) markings.The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it make what the rate is?Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list soon!!Gene________________________________________________________________________________
OK, with all of the conversation going on . . . you guys have fired me up now and I have accomplished more in the past week than the past four years! Anyway, regarding gauges, attached is a photo if my panel. there are several things that need to be polished and/or painted with black lacquer, but I just stuck it together for this photo. I am not sure I am using the tach, I would rather have a black-faced Jones tach, or mount this one from the back so that the ring does not show.To add to the discussion, though, WWI and the early 1920's used the 4" instruments, which were for wooden panels and were mounted from the front. (note, someone on here has 4" gauges, but the tach is, I believe, a Type A. If so, it will not work in an engine with a 2/1 ratio, like most are) In the late 1920's and 1930's, the 3 1/8 instruments became the norm, and they were mounted from the rear of aluminum panels. The pre-war 1930's gauges are easy to spot, because they usually have four "micky mouse" ears where they mount. The WWII and after gauges have large flat mounting areas with nutplates usually installed. WWII instruments also usually have the "military look" to them, plain lettering and pointers and always the pale yellow (or radium) markings.The gauges I have, the altimeter is a WWI British gauge, bought from EBAY. These usually go for around $4-500, but you can find a deal now and then (I did not pay that much). The pressure and temp gauges are off EBAY, are automotive and are cheap. I like them because the US Gauges logo has the identical indian head marking. The tach is a 1920's Jones tach, also from EBAY. They go similar to the altimeters. The mag switch is a WWI-era "dome light switch" like you would see on any WWI aircraft. Plentiful and cheap. I cannot see any reason to have more instruments than this. I have a Johnson Airspeed that clamps to the strut, don't see the need for a turn and bank (you can feel the difference, if not, why worry?) Things like a cyl head temp, why have an indication for something you cannot change?? Rate of climb? It is lousy, but not why you are building a Piet. What difference does it make what the rate is?Anyway, thanks for the encouragement, I am moving forward in leaps and bounds now, and I have just recruited another Piet builder who is meeting me tomorrow to discuss specifics to get started, so he will be on the list soon!!Gene________________________________________________________________________________
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Gene,Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where areyou located?Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group _____
Gene,Thanks for the instrument primer! What engine are you using, and where areyou located?Gary Boothe Cool, CA WW Conversion 90% done, Working on Tail Group _____
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gene,I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned outto be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full becauseI have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number paintDate: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:27:38 -0400
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Gene,I really like your panel. Where did you find that bubble compass? I have had no luck trying to find one. I bought one on Ebay, but the glass turned outto be cracked. I ended up buying a brand new bubble faced compass (German) that will hang from under the wing. Believe it or not my panel is full becauseI have 4" tach and 4" Altimeter. I know I have a type A Jones tach and have been informed I will have to have a speedo shop make me some kind of geared adapter to make it read right. I put an Elgin clock in my panel it just for looks. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: N number paintDate: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 12:27:38 -0400
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Original Posted By: Gary Boothe
I am using a Model A, with wire wheels, no brakes, tailskid, the whole "original" type thing. I live in the Washington DC suburbs, but I travel a lot (airline pilot) and would like to visit and see anyone close to an overnight. Of course, anyone is welcome here too.Gene ----- Original Message -----
I am using a Model A, with wire wheels, no brakes, tailskid, the whole "original" type thing. I live in the Washington DC suburbs, but I travel a lot (airline pilot) and would like to visit and see anyone close to an overnight. Of course, anyone is welcome here too.Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Well, if you cannot get an adapter made, there are always plenty of folks looking for that type of tach and you can swap for one that does work. I have never seen one that turns a 1:1 into a 2:1, but that does not mean they don't exist.The bubble face I have is tiny, I just want to put it in because it looks neat! The best I can tell, it is out of some kind of old omni-range type receiver. I have seen a photo of one where the compass is in the center of what looks like an ADF head. Mine is missing one of the compensators, so I don't know if I can even make it work.Note that I mounted everything low, this layout is almost exactly like my Travel Air panel. I think they were low to keep the coaming from blocking the top gauges.Send me another photo of your panel, I don't remember much about it.Gene ----- Original Message -----
Well, if you cannot get an adapter made, there are always plenty of folks looking for that type of tach and you can swap for one that does work. I have never seen one that turns a 1:1 into a 2:1, but that does not mean they don't exist.The bubble face I have is tiny, I just want to put it in because it looks neat! The best I can tell, it is out of some kind of old omni-range type receiver. I have seen a photo of one where the compass is in the center of what looks like an ADF head. Mine is missing one of the compensators, so I don't know if I can even make it work.Note that I mounted everything low, this layout is almost exactly like my Travel Air panel. I think they were low to keep the coaming from blocking the top gauges.Send me another photo of your panel, I don't remember much about it.Gene ----- Original Message -----
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Re: Pietenpol-List: N number paint
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Douwe, I cheated and used vinyl stick-on numbers by a local sign shop. About $30 for the set. Nice and crisp and neat. Lots of color and letter stye choices.--Jim lagowski, new to the list in N.W. Michigan and looking for engine startup in May ----- Original Message -----
Douwe, I cheated and used vinyl stick-on numbers by a local sign shop. About $30 for the set. Nice and crisp and neat. Lots of color and letter stye choices.--Jim lagowski, new to the list in N.W. Michigan and looking for engine startup in May ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Hi DouweIf you are going to Sun n Fun, there is a booth there that sells custom vinyl while you wait. Dick ----- Original Message -----
Hi DouweIf you are going to Sun n Fun, there is a booth there that sells custom vinyl while you wait. Dick ----- Original Message -----
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Original Posted By: "jimd"
Just got back from my local new Bass Pro, they had a 15 gallon gas tank that wason wheels like wheeled luggage, with about a 8 ft hose and a filling stationstyle spigot, looked like you pump it up with air and fill. It was $150 and lookedlike it would be ideal for piets. Not huge, but that would be about theamount you typically need.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number paint
Just got back from my local new Bass Pro, they had a 15 gallon gas tank that wason wheels like wheeled luggage, with about a 8 ft hose and a filling stationstyle spigot, looked like you pump it up with air and fill. It was $150 and lookedlike it would be ideal for piets. Not huge, but that would be about theamount you typically need.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N number paint
Original Posted By: Clif Dawson
Be sure they are plain numbers, not some odd font. We had a DAR (ex-career FAA)talk at our last EAA meeting about what you need to do to get your plane certified,and said N numbers are a sore point for a lot of inspectors, they wantthem to the regs on size/placement and easily readable, with no adornment or paintschemes that might make it hard to pick out the numbers from the rest ofthe paint job.Vinyl would make it much easier to change if it wasn't liked.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:10:28 -0700
Be sure they are plain numbers, not some odd font. We had a DAR (ex-career FAA)talk at our last EAA meeting about what you need to do to get your plane certified,and said N numbers are a sore point for a lot of inspectors, they wantthem to the regs on size/placement and easily readable, with no adornment or paintschemes that might make it hard to pick out the numbers from the rest ofthe paint job.Vinyl would make it much easier to change if it wasn't liked.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 23:10:28 -0700