Original Posted By: "Milt Atkinson"
Hey,Please chime in re how to fill out my registration form so it doesn't get sent back. Manufacturer and model? serial number?Also, they want proof of purchase, how do you tell them it's experimental, is that the affidavit?Another subject, five gallon paint cans. Any great ideas for transfering dope and thinners out of them?? they splash that expensive stuff everywhere.Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:19:31 -0500
Pietenpol-List: registration and paint cans
RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Not enough weight.....DIT-VIT -----Original Message-----
Not enough weight.....DIT-VIT -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: Milt Atkinson
I know that the general advice is against it, however I know VW conversions with the redrive fly on the CH701 and CH601. I am also aware of a Pipper Cub in Brazil that has flown successfully on a VW.it is experimental aviation after all.Michael ----- Original Message -----
I know that the general advice is against it, however I know VW conversions with the redrive fly on the CH701 and CH601. I am also aware of a Pipper Cub in Brazil that has flown successfully on a VW.it is experimental aviation after all.Michael ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
> RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By:> owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: georgia piets anyone?I am working in the greater Atlanta area next week for a few days and wanted to visit a Piet, anyone interested?Please adviseThanksJohn RecineNX895BP reservedIn a message dated 4/10/2008 3:27:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, timothywillis(at)earthlink.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis The Piet has more drag than most, if not all of the planes flying VW engines. There is not enough HP left after the Piet's drag to lift a fully loadedPiet well, and the climb rate should be miserable. There has been enough recent discussion about safe loads and climbing rates, clearing trees and steeples, etc. in A-65 Piets on warm days. The few CH601s or the exceptional Cub with a VW engine are much heavier than the planes that usually have a VW engine, like a Flybaby or a Volksplane. Still, they have less drag than a Piet. Moreover, the usual planes with VW engines are single place. I don't think that the guys offering the CH601-701-801s recommend any VW engines for their planes. I have seen "never a VW" discussions in the Piet matronics archives. I've never seen anyone justify its use on a Piet. Lastly, I don't think any experienced aviator or builder would recommend using a VW on a Piet. That doesn'tmean that someone hasn't tried it, though. And it might work OK on a single-place Scout with Riblett wings. You'd still have weight and balance problems, though, as pointed out.To me, the VW engine on a Piet sounds like a good way to end up as an FAA statistic one warm day. Tim in central TX-----Original Message----->From: Dave Abramson >Sent: Apr 10, 2008 12:58 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices>>Not enough weight.....>>DIT-VIT> -----Original Message-----
Subject: Pietenpol-List: georgia piets anyone?I am working in the greater Atlanta area next week for a few days and wanted to visit a Piet, anyone interested?Please adviseThanksJohn RecineNX895BP reservedIn a message dated 4/10/2008 3:27:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, timothywillis(at)earthlink.net writes:--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Tim Willis The Piet has more drag than most, if not all of the planes flying VW engines. There is not enough HP left after the Piet's drag to lift a fully loadedPiet well, and the climb rate should be miserable. There has been enough recent discussion about safe loads and climbing rates, clearing trees and steeples, etc. in A-65 Piets on warm days. The few CH601s or the exceptional Cub with a VW engine are much heavier than the planes that usually have a VW engine, like a Flybaby or a Volksplane. Still, they have less drag than a Piet. Moreover, the usual planes with VW engines are single place. I don't think that the guys offering the CH601-701-801s recommend any VW engines for their planes. I have seen "never a VW" discussions in the Piet matronics archives. I've never seen anyone justify its use on a Piet. Lastly, I don't think any experienced aviator or builder would recommend using a VW on a Piet. That doesn'tmean that someone hasn't tried it, though. And it might work OK on a single-place Scout with Riblett wings. You'd still have weight and balance problems, though, as pointed out.To me, the VW engine on a Piet sounds like a good way to end up as an FAA statistic one warm day. Tim in central TX-----Original Message----->From: Dave Abramson >Sent: Apr 10, 2008 12:58 PM>To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices>>Not enough weight.....>>DIT-VIT> -----Original Message-----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: hvandervoo(at)aol.com
RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Here's a link to an analysis of the VW engine as applied to a Piet (amongother things). http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html#vwBill C. -----Original Message-----
Here's a link to an analysis of the VW engine as applied to a Piet (amongother things). http://users.aol.com/bpanews/3questions.html#vwBill C. -----Original Message-----
Pietenpol-List: Engine choices
Original Posted By: Tim Willis
Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine choices-- NO VW, Please!
Original Posted By: "Tim Willis"
Tim:For what it is worth, the CH 701 was designed around the VW engine. Most douse a redrive and it was at one point the only engine recommended by ChrisHeinz.see:http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-ph ... 01.phpthat swings a convetional length prop.The 801 is a different animal all together.This however does not mean that the VW is a suitable engine for a PietenpolThe Pete Bowers specifically pointed out that the VW was not suitable forthe Flybaby for the same reasons you state.Personaly beyond the Corvair I'd consider the Subaru EA81 wiht a beltredrive as an alternative for the Piet.like tis one:http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/ ... chael----- Original Message -----
Tim:For what it is worth, the CH 701 was designed around the VW engine. Most douse a redrive and it was at one point the only engine recommended by ChrisHeinz.see:http://www.zenithair.com/stolch701/7-ph ... 01.phpthat swings a convetional length prop.The 801 is a different animal all together.This however does not mean that the VW is a suitable engine for a PietenpolThe Pete Bowers specifically pointed out that the VW was not suitable forthe Flybaby for the same reasons you state.Personaly beyond the Corvair I'd consider the Subaru EA81 wiht a beltredrive as an alternative for the Piet.like tis one:http://www.pietenpolclub.co.uk/gallery/ ... chael----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: registration and paint cans
Original Posted By: Douwe Blumberg
Hi Douwe,Only one name in the "Manufacturer" box. If you are building with one or more people only one of you can be the manufacturer.Model and serial number is your choice.Do NOT attempt to register it as a "Glider, self-launching". It will add about 6 months to your paperwork schedule........Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Hi Douwe,Only one name in the "Manufacturer" box. If you are building with one or more people only one of you can be the manufacturer.Model and serial number is your choice.Do NOT attempt to register it as a "Glider, self-launching". It will add about 6 months to your paperwork schedule........Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: registration and paint cans
Original Posted By: Rick Holland
We tried, unsuccessfully.The FAR's state that the weight / wingspan requirements for certified self-launching gliders do not apply to experimental aircraft. We assumed that, because it was experimental, we were free to certify it however we wished.The inspector informed us that there is an FAA order that says experimental motorgliders do have to meet the same criteria as certified aircraft.So our attempt was unsuccessful.Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
We tried, unsuccessfully.The FAR's state that the weight / wingspan requirements for certified self-launching gliders do not apply to experimental aircraft. We assumed that, because it was experimental, we were free to certify it however we wished.The inspector informed us that there is an FAA order that says experimental motorgliders do have to meet the same criteria as certified aircraft.So our attempt was unsuccessful.Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: registration and paint cans
Original Posted By: "MikeD"
I'm spraying my wings and tail parts and wanted to know what you guys did with the occassional pinked tape edget that just won't stay down. The Ceconite manual just says to work them down with the iron, which I've done, and do extra dope, which i've done and then to sand them. Does the sanding knock them back once they're really stiff with dope?Thanks,Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: registration and paint cans
I'm spraying my wings and tail parts and wanted to know what you guys did with the occassional pinked tape edget that just won't stay down. The Ceconite manual just says to work them down with the iron, which I've done, and do extra dope, which i've done and then to sand them. Does the sanding knock them back once they're really stiff with dope?Thanks,Douwe________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: registration and paint cans
Original Posted By: "Peter W Johnson"
douweblumberg(at)earthlin wrote:> > Another subject, five gallon paint cans. Any great ideas for transfering dopeand thinners out of them?? they splash that expensive stuff everywhere.> If they have the retactable spout and the lid is firmly attached, make sure whenyou pour that you orient the spout to the top of the lid, so that you have toget the can close to level to pour and you have better control. I've seen peopletry to pour with the can near full and the spout low, and it is not pretty.If it does not start to flow with the can horizontal and the spout at 12 o'clock,you can slowly roll the can so the spout reached the liquid level graduallyand controllably.If no spout - a pair of clean plastic containers, polyethylene (PE) or polypropylene(PP) only, works well. So does unwaxed paper (like bathroom cups) but notfor straight solvents as they soak through mighty quickly. Polystyrene (PS)will start dissolving and contaminate the material. Hold one in each hand andhave the destination vessel close at hand. Dip one to partially fill, lift clearof the surface, then quickly stick the second container under the drip/stream,and move both of them together to the destination vessel, and pour while pullingthe drip catcher away. When done pouring that dip, stick the drip catcherback underneath and back to the 5 gal container. When done, let the stuff onthe transfer container walls drip back into the source container. I've transferredhundreds of pounds of epoxy, solvents, and other materials over the yearsthis way in the lab, and it works great for me. Make sense, yea/nay?Mike D.--------Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
douweblumberg(at)earthlin wrote:> > Another subject, five gallon paint cans. Any great ideas for transfering dopeand thinners out of them?? they splash that expensive stuff everywhere.> If they have the retactable spout and the lid is firmly attached, make sure whenyou pour that you orient the spout to the top of the lid, so that you have toget the can close to level to pour and you have better control. I've seen peopletry to pour with the can near full and the spout low, and it is not pretty.If it does not start to flow with the can horizontal and the spout at 12 o'clock,you can slowly roll the can so the spout reached the liquid level graduallyand controllably.If no spout - a pair of clean plastic containers, polyethylene (PE) or polypropylene(PP) only, works well. So does unwaxed paper (like bathroom cups) but notfor straight solvents as they soak through mighty quickly. Polystyrene (PS)will start dissolving and contaminate the material. Hold one in each hand andhave the destination vessel close at hand. Dip one to partially fill, lift clearof the surface, then quickly stick the second container under the drip/stream,and move both of them together to the destination vessel, and pour while pullingthe drip catcher away. When done pouring that dip, stick the drip catcherback underneath and back to the 5 gal container. When done, let the stuff onthe transfer container walls drip back into the source container. I've transferredhundreds of pounds of epoxy, solvents, and other materials over the yearsthis way in the lab, and it works great for me. Make sense, yea/nay?Mike D.--------Piet-builder-who-hopes-to-be-flying-next-summerRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________