Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "Brian Kraut"
>From what I have read, Spar Varnish is a very good, economical alternativeto the higher priced epoxy finishes. It is fully water resistant andcontains UV protection (designed to protect exterior woodwork on boats). Itdoes, however need to fully cure before you start applying coveringadhesives and finishes, or the solvents in the adhesives etc. will attackthe varnish. I believe the varnish should be allowed to cure for about amonth before attempting any covering.Here's a little practical tip regarding Spar Varnish.If you use satin finish, it will brush (or spray) on with a wet look, butcure with a matte finish (not glossy). When you go to do the next coat, itwill be much easier to determine where you have applied the second coat, andwhere you have missed. But if you use the high gloss stuff, it's verydifficult to tell what has gotten the second (or third) coat and whathasn't. If you prefer the look of a glossy finish, just use the high glossfinish for the final top coat.Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________
>From what I have read, Spar Varnish is a very good, economical alternativeto the higher priced epoxy finishes. It is fully water resistant andcontains UV protection (designed to protect exterior woodwork on boats). Itdoes, however need to fully cure before you start applying coveringadhesives and finishes, or the solvents in the adhesives etc. will attackthe varnish. I believe the varnish should be allowed to cure for about amonth before attempting any covering.Here's a little practical tip regarding Spar Varnish.If you use satin finish, it will brush (or spray) on with a wet look, butcure with a matte finish (not glossy). When you go to do the next coat, itwill be much easier to determine where you have applied the second coat, andwhere you have missed. But if you use the high gloss stuff, it's verydifficult to tell what has gotten the second (or third) coat and whathasn't. If you prefer the look of a glossy finish, just use the high glossfinish for the final top coat.Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
What is a good varnish to use if you are going to be covering very soonafter?Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
What is a good varnish to use if you are going to be covering very soonafter?Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Jack,Minwax sells a product called Helmsman Spar Urethane. It is available inSatin, Semi-gloss and Gloss finishes. I haven't used it on my Piet woodworkyet, as I am not at that stage yet, but last summer I did build a couple ofdeck chairs (made of cyprus) that sit outside all year, and they werefinished with it. We just lost our snow in the last couple of weeks, and Igot a chance to see how they weathered the winter, and they look fine.If you need a flying example of a Piet finished with Helmsman Spar Urethaneby Minwax, look no further than ...... Mike Cuy (at least that's what hesays he used in his rather well known video). And I think NX48MC's beenflying for about 10 years now, so I think it'll do the job.Bill C. _____
Jack,Minwax sells a product called Helmsman Spar Urethane. It is available inSatin, Semi-gloss and Gloss finishes. I haven't used it on my Piet woodworkyet, as I am not at that stage yet, but last summer I did build a couple ofdeck chairs (made of cyprus) that sit outside all year, and they werefinished with it. We just lost our snow in the last couple of weeks, and Igot a chance to see how they weathered the winter, and they look fine.If you need a flying example of a Piet finished with Helmsman Spar Urethaneby Minwax, look no further than ...... Mike Cuy (at least that's what hesays he used in his rather well known video). And I think NX48MC's beenflying for about 10 years now, so I think it'll do the job.Bill C. _____
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Pietenpol-List: Re: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "Brian Kraut"
Think the T-88 people (system3) have a varnish called "clear coat" that is fairlyinexpensive, compatible with T-88 and works with covering. There was quitea bit of discussion of it on the biplaneforum sight, and they have a constructionmanual with a chapter on their suggested stuff.. T-88/clear coat. Might besomething to look at, its at many hobby stores.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
Think the T-88 people (system3) have a varnish called "clear coat" that is fairlyinexpensive, compatible with T-88 and works with covering. There was quitea bit of discussion of it on the biplaneforum sight, and they have a constructionmanual with a chapter on their suggested stuff.. T-88/clear coat. Might besomething to look at, its at many hobby stores.JimRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... __________
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Thanks.Any idea on how much would be needed to do a set of wings?Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
Thanks.Any idea on how much would be needed to do a set of wings?Brian KrautEngineering Alternatives, Inc.www.engalt.com -----Original Message-----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spamI managed to buy a Turner T-40S project...Which came with some rather large wing ribs... Upon further examination, I find out these are Aircamper ribs - useless to me (the T-40 uses a totally different & much smaller wing profile)...But potentially very useful to one of you...So rather than using them for firewood (what a waste) I'm putting them up for sale...These are 29 complete & 100% intact ribs, and 1 rib that has a small area of damage... They would be shipped with 2 pieces of wood placed through the 'spar' position IAT stabilize & protect them...So if you want to save time & work, e-mail me... I can provide you with pictures if you so desire...Make me an offer...Note, these are 30 ribs & the complete package measures about 3ftx5ftx6in, 'eyeball measurements' (eg I didn't take a ruler to it)... So shipping will probably be slightly expensive...david.acklam(at)us.army.mil________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnishDate: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:08:54 -0400
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hi All... Something you might be interested in - NOT spamI managed to buy a Turner T-40S project...Which came with some rather large wing ribs... Upon further examination, I find out these are Aircamper ribs - useless to me (the T-40 uses a totally different & much smaller wing profile)...But potentially very useful to one of you...So rather than using them for firewood (what a waste) I'm putting them up for sale...These are 29 complete & 100% intact ribs, and 1 rib that has a small area of damage... They would be shipped with 2 pieces of wood placed through the 'spar' position IAT stabilize & protect them...So if you want to save time & work, e-mail me... I can provide you with pictures if you so desire...Make me an offer...Note, these are 30 ribs & the complete package measures about 3ftx5ftx6in, 'eyeball measurements' (eg I didn't take a ruler to it)... So shipping will probably be slightly expensive...david.acklam(at)us.army.mil________________________________________________________________________________Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnishDate: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:08:54 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnish
Original Posted By: "tmbrant1(at)netzero.com"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnishInstead of nails, I used ordinary staples out of my office stapler (swingline -like in the movie Office Space). The staples are only used to hold the piecelightly in position - not a ton of clamping pressure pushing out the epoxy. I think I saw this method in an EAA video about aircraft woodworking. Once theglue is dry, the staples come out.Tom B._____________________________________________________________Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here.http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL ... __________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Questions about nails and varnishInstead of nails, I used ordinary staples out of my office stapler (swingline -like in the movie Office Space). The staples are only used to hold the piecelightly in position - not a ton of clamping pressure pushing out the epoxy. I think I saw this method in an EAA video about aircraft woodworking. Once theglue is dry, the staples come out.Tom B._____________________________________________________________Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here.http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL ... __________