Original Posted By: dannymac
Akin to the Stumpy and Martha story, my all time favorite linewhich Robert Redford said to an unsure passenger: " If you reallyhate it I'll give you a second ride free !" Mike C. Akin to the Stumpy and Martha story, my all time favorite linewhich Robert Redford said to an unsure passenger: If you reallyhate it I'll give you a second ride free ! Mike C. ________________________________________________________________________________
Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
Original Posted By: Oscar Zuniga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo PepperIn a message dated 7/31/2008 9:38:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com writes:For those who might think a Wynne manual is expensive, a $40 movie certainly would be! I doubt you'll ever hear anyone quote lines for the head torque pattern or timing gear sections of the bookWhat are you doing, I'm borrowing your plane son, its an inferior model but it ill do, Dillhoffer promised me a job, you 're not going anywhere with my plane... You're both starving why not help each otherWhat would we do? your plane is down for repair and my engine is giving me fits..... Actually I have some ideas on the subject.Lets get this straight, you're just flying, she's just driving, I'm the one doing a great stunt, that why you're getting all the glory sonJohn**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?n ... 0000000020)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo PepperIn a message dated 7/31/2008 9:38:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, minoxphotographer(at)yahoo.com writes:For those who might think a Wynne manual is expensive, a $40 movie certainly would be! I doubt you'll ever hear anyone quote lines for the head torque pattern or timing gear sections of the bookWhat are you doing, I'm borrowing your plane son, its an inferior model but it ill do, Dillhoffer promised me a job, you 're not going anywhere with my plane... You're both starving why not help each otherWhat would we do? your plane is down for repair and my engine is giving me fits..... Actually I have some ideas on the subject.Lets get this straight, you're just flying, she's just driving, I'm the one doing a great stunt, that why you're getting all the glory sonJohn**************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?n ... 0000000020)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
Original Posted By: "John Recine"
I like your logical approach, Hans.When talking about the strength of any system, we always go back to the oldadage of "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link". In the case ofthe control cables, as Oscar had pointed out, 1/8" aircraft cable is ratedat 2000lb, and a 1/4" (AN4) turnbuckle has the same rating. Sounds plentystrong. However, are the sheet metal control horns the cables are tied torated for 2000lb? Is the connection of that control horn to the wood ratedfor 2000 lb? Not even close! So, your choice of using 3/32" cables (and Iwould assume AN3 turnbuckles) makes sense to me. If the system is loadedanywhere near 1000 lb it will fail somewhere else other than thecable/turnbuckle . Even if you were to exert a 50 lb force at the stick(which would be 500 lb of tension on the cable and the control horns), yourchoice of cable still has a factor of safety of 2. Of course, regardless ofwhat size cable is used, regular inspections are critical.This is the same type of logic I was applying when looking at thepossibility of making the "homemade turnbuckles" that started this thread.It has always been my intention to do controlled, real world testing of anyassembly that I come up with before I would even consider putting them in myplane. After the design is refined, I plan to build several sampleassemblies which would be placed in tension, with the load incrementallyincreased to the point of failure. If the result is not satisfactory, theidea goes in the trash bin, and we move on.Regarding hardware store turnbuckles, these things are crudely made, and Iwould stay away from them.Regarding the actual cables, I would NOT buy my "aircraft" cables at thehardware store. The cable they sell is more likely "commercial" cable(although it might be referred to as aircraft cable) which is notlubricated, and will be far less resistant to fatigue failure. Just bite thebullet and buy the real thing. Also, if a cable is running over a pulley, besure to use galvanized cable, rather than stainless steel, as the stainlesssteel cable will fail before the galvanized. If the cables do not changedirection, stainless is okay (like tail bracing wires or landing gearbracing wires, etc.)Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
I like your logical approach, Hans.When talking about the strength of any system, we always go back to the oldadage of "a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link". In the case ofthe control cables, as Oscar had pointed out, 1/8" aircraft cable is ratedat 2000lb, and a 1/4" (AN4) turnbuckle has the same rating. Sounds plentystrong. However, are the sheet metal control horns the cables are tied torated for 2000lb? Is the connection of that control horn to the wood ratedfor 2000 lb? Not even close! So, your choice of using 3/32" cables (and Iwould assume AN3 turnbuckles) makes sense to me. If the system is loadedanywhere near 1000 lb it will fail somewhere else other than thecable/turnbuckle . Even if you were to exert a 50 lb force at the stick(which would be 500 lb of tension on the cable and the control horns), yourchoice of cable still has a factor of safety of 2. Of course, regardless ofwhat size cable is used, regular inspections are critical.This is the same type of logic I was applying when looking at thepossibility of making the "homemade turnbuckles" that started this thread.It has always been my intention to do controlled, real world testing of anyassembly that I come up with before I would even consider putting them in myplane. After the design is refined, I plan to build several sampleassemblies which would be placed in tension, with the load incrementallyincreased to the point of failure. If the result is not satisfactory, theidea goes in the trash bin, and we move on.Regarding hardware store turnbuckles, these things are crudely made, and Iwould stay away from them.Regarding the actual cables, I would NOT buy my "aircraft" cables at thehardware store. The cable they sell is more likely "commercial" cable(although it might be referred to as aircraft cable) which is notlubricated, and will be far less resistant to fatigue failure. Just bite thebullet and buy the real thing. Also, if a cable is running over a pulley, besure to use galvanized cable, rather than stainless steel, as the stainlesssteel cable will fail before the galvanized. If the cables do not changedirection, stainless is okay (like tail bracing wires or landing gearbracing wires, etc.)Bill C.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
Re: Pietenpol-List: Waldo Pepper
Original Posted By: "John Recine"
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Original Posted By: H RULE
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