Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:32 am

Original Posted By: Michael Green
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fin/Rudder Dimensions(2.8 points)points) 'From' juno.com does not match 'Received' headersMike,You have saved yourself some extra work by noticing this discrepancy inthe empenage dimensions. Also, take into account that the rudder wheninstalled with hinges is approx 1/2 in. from the fin and has atrapezoidal shape.I made my vertical fin and rudder to the dimensions on the plans. When Iplaced them on the fuselage I found that the rudder hung below thefuselage approximately 1-inch. I am now lining up the bottom of therudder with the bottom of the fuselage and installing the hinges. Thisleaves the rudder higher than the vertical fin, so I am adding a piece ofspruce to the top of the vertical fin. Some builders just let the rudderhang below the fuselage and that also works fine.Dick Hartwig_____________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:05 pm

Original Posted By: Kip & Beth Gardner
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weightHi Barry,I am just getting ready to join my two fuselage sides now. It is an extended fuselage. If you like I will e-mail you the weight in a week or two when I finish the assembly.Norm and Adrienne DecouNormDecou(at)aol.comJust in the process of making sure that everything is square and symmetrical before I glue the two fuselage halves together.________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 21:39:19 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 8:57 pm

Original Posted By:
Norm,get yourself a set of Pony strap clamps.... maybe 3 or 4 of them. They camein EXTREMELY handy when I joined my fuselage sides.you can see some detail photos of of my ship during that process here:http://www.imagedv.com/aircamper/log/im ... 4-02.htmDJ VeghN74DVMesa, AZwww.imagedv.com/aircamper----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Sep 18, 2003 11:38 pm

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
I just want to let you know, Mr. Vegh, that I REALLY appreciate the pictureson your website. Pictures really are worth a thousand words and, since I'mnew to woodworking, just staring at your work for awhile helps the words inthe books I've bought become more clear.By the way, I have built one R/C aircraft (a lazy bee converted into aGyrobee...fun!), and I can tell that your experience in that arena hasprobably had a direct influence on your building technique for thefull-sized aircraft - the processes seem remarkably similar.Thanks again and keep them coming!Gary CChino, CA-----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 6:54 am

Original Posted By: "Alex Sloan"
Hi Chris...I never really weighed my Heath Tail wheel, I took ACS at there word of 5.2#. When it arrived I was a little disappointed, it is heavy and way overkill for a Piet. I think it is made out of cast steeland it is bullet proof. My plan is to replace the solid 6" wheel with a light weight 4" one and lighten the frame and fork by grinding and drilling some lightening holes. I should be able to get rid of a couple of pounds. What did you use for a tailwheel spring?? I went with a homebuilders speacial from ACS like Mike Cuy's set up, The single leaf seems kind of flimsey so I bought a second leaf but haven't had the heart to add another 1 1/2 pounds back there. I'm going to try shortening the extended part of the single leaf that the wheel attaches to. That will take some of the leverage off of it and maybe stiffen it up enough so I don't need to add the second leaf but then I won't have the dampening affect of the second leaf. Jeeeeesh....light as possible and still strong enough is not as easy as it sounds.Jack Phillips....Hope you're doing OKay with hurricane Isabel...Hopefully you're far enough out of her path........Good luck Buddy.......Ed G.>From: "" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: "" >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight>Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 14:32:49 -0500>>>Hey Ed,>>What is the actual weight of your tail wheel? ACS says it should weigh 5.2>pounds which is heavier then the Matco at 5 pounds. I would think the >Heath>would be lighter.>>Chris T.>Sacramento, Ca>>>Quoting Ed Grentzer :>>> >> >> > Sounds like we're pretty close DJ...I weighed my Piet ( not GN-1) >last> > week. it's just like yours but with pilot's seat belt and harness, aux. >wing> >> > tank, all instruments, trim system and motor mount but no rudder pedals >or> > fire wall mine came in at 212#. Mine has a Heath tailwheel and Goodyear >6"> > wheels and brakes the motor mount is a bed mount for my Franklin ( a >little> > heavier than a Continental mount). Ed G.> >> >> > >From: "DJ Vegh" > > >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >To: > > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > >Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 09:43:03 -0700> > >> > >> > >My 90% complete fuselage (as shown in the link below) weighs in at >195lb.> >> > >That includes controls and rudder pedals, J-3 landing gear, aluminum> > >cabanes, Grove wheels and brakes and Matco tailwheel. No instruments,> > >fuel tank, seat belts, or control cables.> > >> > >here's the link that shows the plane in that state of completion> > >> > >http://imagedv.com/aircamper/log/image- ... -19-03.htm> > >> > >I'm not sure if I'm on par with what it should be or not.... can >someone> > >else chime in with some fuse numbers??> > >> > >DJ Vegh> > >N74DV> > >> > >> > >----- Original Message -----> > >From: Barry Davis> > >To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> > >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage Weight> > >> > >>> > >> > >Does anyone have the weight of a bare wood fuselage?> > >Without fittings and landing gear or tail feathers, just the framework >with> >> > >all the plywood and gussets installed, but without seats.> > >> > >We have our second steel fuselage welded up now and the question came >up> > >about weight. Our regular work night is Monday and we plan to take >scales> > >and weigh up a 4130 steel fuselage. I'll post the weight on Tuesday.> > >> > >Barry Davis> > >> > >> > >>This email has been scanned for known viruses and made safe for >viewing by> >> > >Half Price Hosting, a leading email and web hosting provider. For more> > >information on an anti-virus email solution, visit> > >.> > >> > >> >> > Compare Cable, DSL or Satellite plans: As low as $29.95.> > https://broadband.msn.com> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>------------------------------------------------->>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 9:48 am

Original Posted By: Michael D Cuy

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2003 11:45 am

Original Posted By:
Thanks NormI was beginning to think that no one had ever weighed their fuselage in theboat stage. I'll post the steel weight on Tuesday.BED----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 1:29 pm

Original Posted By: BARNSTMR(at)aol.com
From the archives several of the listers reported their bare wood fuselages to weigh in at 70 pounds.>From: "Barry Davis" >Reply-To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com>To: >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight>Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2003 12:45:09 -0400>>>Thanks Norm>I was beginning to think that no one had ever weighed their fuselage in the>boat stage. I'll post the steel weight on Tuesday.>BED>----- Original Message ----->From: >To: >Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight>>> >> > Hi Barry,> > I am just getting ready to join my two fuselage sides now. It is an>extended> > fuselage. If you like I will e-mail you the weight in a week or two >when>I> > finish the assembly.> > Norm and Adrienne Decou> > NormDecou(at)aol.com> > Just in the process of making sure that everything is square and>symmetrical> > before I glue the two fuselage halves together.> >> >>>Get McAfee virus scanning and cleaning of incoming attachments. Get Hotmail ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 16:25:19 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Sep 22, 2003 4:07 pm

Original Posted By: "w b evans"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: fuselage weight - setback - McGregor Fly-inThanks Terry, Great report. Makes me more ashamed I didn't sneak over.You know who in La where Isabelle and I had some delish fried shrimp and oysters today.________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:16 am

Original Posted By: "Clif Dawson"
OK, how come nobody raised the BS flag on me when I posted that my bare fuselage weighed 33 lbs???- The more I thought about it, I realized that it could not possibly be right, but I KNEW I weighed it correctly.- Well, my wife just asked me why our bathroom scale was set on kg instead of lbs . . DOH!!!!- -I don't know how to reset the scale, but somehow I must have.- A quick google converts 33.6-kg into 74.0 lbs, which sounds much more reasonable.-And there I thought I was losing a lot of weight on-my beer and pizza diet.-Damn.-Gene=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:16 am

Original Posted By: Kip and Beth Gardner
OK, how come nobody raised the BS flag on me when I posted that my bare fuselage weighed 33 lbs??? The more I thought about it, I realized that it could not possibly be right, but I KNEW I weighed it correctly. Well, my wife just asked me why our bathroom scale was set on kg instead of lbs . . . DOH!!!! I don't know how to reset the scale, but somehow I must have. A quick google converts 33.6 kg into 74.0 lbs, which sounds much more reasonable.And there I thought I was losing a lot of weight on my beer and pizza diet.Damn.Gene________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:26 am

Original Posted By: "ALAN LYSCARS"
Gene,Sounds like you need to keep a scientist handy to think in metric for you. :)Actually, I said 'hmmm...." when I saw your post, but I said to myself, 'this is Gene talking, so that weight MUST be right' - Damn! you've disappointed me!My fuse weighs in right at about the same as yours IN POUNDS.KipOn Aug 6, 2008, at 12:16 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:> OK, how come nobody raised the BS flag on me when I posted that my > bare fuselage weighed 33 lbs??? The more I thought about it, I > realized that it could not possibly be right, but I KNEW I weighed > it correctly. Well, my wife just asked me why our bathroom scale > was set on kg instead of lbs . . DOH!!!!>> I don't know how to reset the scale, but somehow I must have. A > quick google converts 33.6 kg into 74.0 lbs, which sounds much more > reasonable.>> And there I thought I was losing a lot of weight on my beer and > pizza diet.>> Damn.>> Gene>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:31:06 -0400

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:41 am

Original Posted By: owner-pietenpol-list-server(at)matronics.com
Good catch, Al.I knew there was something wrong there, and I couldn't put my finger on it.Oh, by the way, you only need one period at the end of a sentence. (Gotcha!)Bill _____

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 11:59 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:09 pm

Original Posted By: Bill Church
. . . and the period goes inside the quotations.gotcha ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:21 pm

Original Posted By: "ALAN LYSCARS"
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 12:36 pm

Original Posted By: "ALAN LYSCARS"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 1:05 pm

Original Posted By: ALAN LYSCARS
I have always thought it was awkward too, that is why I noticed it. ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 6:56 pm

Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Gene, I did the same thing with my scales. I found a switch near the battery that changes it from lb to kg. Don't know how I tripped it but I did. As you said, it does make a difference.The other Gene ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Wed Aug 06, 2008 8:13 pm

Original Posted By: Ben Charvet

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:02 am

Original Posted By: Gene Rambo
Try telling that to your wife. :-)Clif ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Thu Aug 07, 2008 1:41 am

Original Posted By: Dave Abramson
And put the Pitcairn Mailwing logo on the side. ----- Original Message -----

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