Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
Group, one thing I remember from A+P school, drafting classes and blueprint reading, is don't ever use measurements you physically take from the plans( with a ruler on the paper).- Go by the published dimension.- I do not know if your full size rib has written dimensions at rib stations.- The reason for this is paper WILL change sizes with expansion, and contraction due to temp, and humididy.- Copy machines will usually not give a perfect 1 to 1 copy (much more noticable on a bigger drawing).- For a Piet or any other low performance airplane I dont think 1/8 or even 1/4 inch would make too much difference, the airplane would never know the difference.- The only thing that is critical would be the spar spacing, so that they all end up the same from the center section to the outboard wing pannels.- As a kid I remember building a couple of my early R/C models, and they were not all top notch streight as an arrow ships, but they all flew, and flew well after trimming them out.- Just keep all the "Identical" pieces as "identical" as you can and don't swet the small stuff.-Just my 2 cents worth,Shad3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:58:03 -0600
Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Original Posted By: outofthebox50(at)yahoo.com
#yiv1594811430 .hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1594811430 {FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of weeks, probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low price.Several years ago, I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force maintenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA, moved a few times, took a job with Cessna after getting out of the military...I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father, but soon after I brought it home, my dad passed away, thus the project has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair, but I had planned on putting my Continental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuselage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage with Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics, but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans.The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the wings, but they can be easily painted over.It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder coated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for this project.)The center section was already built, but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be some washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder.The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel and I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "premium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag, and it looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again, the panel and gauges are not for sale, please don't ask.If anybody is interested, please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMAIL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send any recent pictures anytime soon, but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want the liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuilt the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this.The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went off for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel bore process, vastly superior to channel chrome, satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new, rod bolts, new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short, this engine looks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp since 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the intake tubes are powder- coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is as pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks incredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE," not something that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview, this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger, Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see it earlier).RSBGot Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
#yiv1594811430 .hmmessage P{margin:0px;padding:0px;}#yiv1594811430 {FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;}As much as I hate to... I'll be selling my Piet project in a couple of weeks, probably putting it on Ebay starting the auction as some very low price.Several years ago, I bought a project from a guy who was an Air Force maintenance officer on both the B-1 and B-2 aircraft. He also is an A&P/IA, moved a few times, took a job with Cessna after getting out of the military...I bought this about 5 years ago and had plans to finish it with my father, but soon after I brought it home, my dad passed away, thus the project has been gathering dust in my hanger here in Central Texas. It was originally set up for a Corvair, but I had planned on putting my Continental A-80 on it. The fabric was pulled back off the front of the fuselage and probably needs to be completely replaced. It is a Piet fuselage with Grega wings. The original builder wanted the Grega wings because of the different stall characteristics, but he wanted the "looks" of a Pietenpol and built the fuselage from the Piet plans.The wings are covered and painted and it has an "number" already on the wings, but they can be easily painted over.It has Honda CB 350 wheels (they look pretty cool) and I had them powder coated red (I had planned on painting a Texas flag design or total red for this project.)The center section was already built, but I removed the fabric and lower plywood with the intention of installing a small supplemental fuel tank... I have new plywood and fabric to recover. My dad said there needs to be some washers welded onto the metal tabs that attach to the wings. I don't know why these were omitted by the original builder.The lift struts are ready to go and I have all the cables. The instrument panel IS NOT INCLUDED. I have a small fortune in the panel and I am keeping it (pilot and passenger both) I paid a lot of money for "premium carpathian burl elm" veneer that I laminated in a vacuum bag, and it looks like it belongs in a 1930-ish Rolls Royce. Again, the panel and gauges are not for sale, please don't ask.If anybody is interested, please e-mail me off this list at "N900ML@HOTMAIL.COM" and I can provide more info and pictures. I won't be able to send any recent pictures anytime soon, but can do so sometime in mid September. I'll also be selling the rebuilt A-80 engine FOR PARTS ONLY. I don't want the liability if someone goes flying and they nose in someday. My dad rebuilt the engine (he had an A&P license) and I simply want the engine to go as a "parts project" with the buyer signing a bill of sale stating this.The engine case was sent to Divco for a rebuild. The accessory case went off for repair too. The cylinders were sent off and are Cermnil (the nickel bore process, vastly superior to channel chrome, satin chrome) The crank was rebuilt I think M03 under. New bearings new, rod bolts, new Slick mags with dual impulse couplers... Long story made short, this engine looks like it just came out of the Twilight Zone as if being in a time warp since 1941. I also have a rebuilt yellow tagged carb on this engine and the intake tubes are powder- coated candy apple blue. The valve covers are powder coated in Continental yellow... I've never seen an A-65 or A-80 that is as pretty as this engine. This engine even has a new data plate that looks incredible. All the info from the old data plate was PROFESSIONALLY engraved onto the new data plate. BUT AGAIN, I WANT TO EMPHASIZE THE ENGINE WILL BE SOLD ONLY WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A "PARTS ENGINE," not something that is ready to stab onto an airplane and go flying. The engine will be sold separate from the airplane project. If anybody wants a sneak preview, this project can be seen at the airport in Ballinger, Texas (between San Angelo and Abilene.) I won't be able to show it until sometime in mid or late September (please don't ask to see it earlier).RSBGot Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest Find out how. ________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Original Posted By: "John Recine"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use??Charley,If you are using a Model A, make sure and research the archives on the subject of moving your engine forward. I missed this, and was surprised to findthis out. It turns out that I am OK with me as the pilot, but I am only 150 lbs.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/ ... 0000000017 )________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use??Charley,If you are using a Model A, make sure and research the archives on the subject of moving your engine forward. I missed this, and was surprised to findthis out. It turns out that I am OK with me as the pilot, but I am only 150 lbs.Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/ ... 0000000017 )________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: With great dismay
Original Posted By: "gcardinal"
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Re: Pietenpol-List: What set of plans do I use??
Original Posted By: "charles loomis"
Plans can be ordered from the Pietenpol family at:http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Articles on built up spars can be found in the construction section of:www.westcoastpiet.comDon't downsize the rib capstrips. You won't save enough weight to make a difference.Roman Bukolt can comment on the steel tube fuselage.Where are you located Charley? You might have a Pietenpol close by that you can look at.Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Plans can be ordered from the Pietenpol family at:http://www.pressenter.com/~apietenp/Articles on built up spars can be found in the construction section of:www.westcoastpiet.comDon't downsize the rib capstrips. You won't save enough weight to make a difference.Roman Bukolt can comment on the steel tube fuselage.Where are you located Charley? You might have a Pietenpol close by that you can look at.Greg CardinalMinneapolis----- Original Message -----
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
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