Original Posted By: "chase143"
Go raid your wife's dressmaking supplies, you are looking for a "tick wheel" its a little handle with a thin wheel on it with notches, it is used for transferring a dress pattern to material, we use colored wax transfer papers between the patterns and the cloth and trace with the tick wheel, it leaves colored dotted lines on the cloth.Use carbon paper instead. Any fabric store should sell tick wheels for less the $2.Regards, Chrissi (fabricating our Cozy engine cowls now)-CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details====It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs?
Pietenpol-List: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Greg,Wow what a beautiful strip. I wish they made them like that in Northeast Ohio. With some of my landings I could sure use nice wide flat runways like that!!!!Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:13:56 -0500
Greg,Wow what a beautiful strip. I wish they made them like that in Northeast Ohio. With some of my landings I could sure use nice wide flat runways like that!!!!Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... 5=0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 23:13:56 -0500
Pietenpol-List: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC]"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No clamps on ribs?Use nails, and a wire-stripping pliers, with the small serrations in the jaws, to hold the nail straight. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: takeoff performance, Walt EvansDate: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:51:54 -0500
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: No clamps on ribs?Use nails, and a wire-stripping pliers, with the small serrations in the jaws, to hold the nail straight. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: takeoff performance, Walt EvansDate: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:51:54 -0500
Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "walt"
Mike,I regularly carry my Dad. He is about 225lbs. or so. I go about 180lbs. I'vegone with full fuel several times. On Andrew's Brodhead trip this year he carriedhimself and Nigel Hitchman on a couple of flights. One of which was fora TP cutting routine out of the hayfield. I would imagine that makes for a totalpassenger weight of about 430lbs or so. A bit much for my taste, but theyseemed to make out just fine. Don't really know other conditions.Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:51:39 -0400
Mike,I regularly carry my Dad. He is about 225lbs. or so. I go about 180lbs. I'vegone with full fuel several times. On Andrew's Brodhead trip this year he carriedhimself and Nigel Hitchman on a couple of flights. One of which was fora TP cutting routine out of the hayfield. I would imagine that makes for a totalpassenger weight of about 430lbs or so. A bit much for my taste, but theyseemed to make out just fine. Don't really know other conditions.Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:51:39 -0400
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
With a 200# pilot, 160# passenger and 85# of fuel, NX18235 flies very nicely on an 80 degree evening.Here is the view on short final.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
With a 200# pilot, 160# passenger and 85# of fuel, NX18235 flies very nicely on an 80 degree evening.Here is the view on short final.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By:> ----- Original Message ----- "Don Emch"
Greg,Is that Stanton?KirkOn Aug 20, 2008, at 5:07 PM, gcardinal wrote:> With a 200# pilot, 160# passenger and 85# of fuel, NX18235 flies > very nicely on an 80 degree evening.> Here is the view on short final.>> Greg Cardinal>
Greg,Is that Stanton?KirkOn Aug 20, 2008, at 5:07 PM, gcardinal wrote:> With a 200# pilot, 160# passenger and 85# of fuel, NX18235 flies > very nicely on an 80 degree evening.> Here is the view on short final.>> Greg Cardinal>
> Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "walt"
RE: Pietenpol-List: No clamps on ribs?
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Charlie Rubeck who made over 5000 Piet and GN-1 ribs used ether an office staplerwith the bottom anvil part removed or nothing. He would use finger pressuretill the glue suction took over. When you use the no clamp method there can beno stress in the joint trying to lift the gusset up.----- Original Message -----
Charlie Rubeck who made over 5000 Piet and GN-1 ribs used ether an office staplerwith the bottom anvil part removed or nothing. He would use finger pressuretill the glue suction took over. When you use the no clamp method there can beno stress in the joint trying to lift the gusset up.----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Kirk Huizenga"
Yes, it is Stanton (SYN) on a Sunday evening about a week and a half ago. Gave rides to five teenagers. They all loved it.Greg----- Original Message -----
Yes, it is Stanton (SYN) on a Sunday evening about a week and a half ago. Gave rides to five teenagers. They all loved it.Greg----- Original Message -----
Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Don Emch"
Since everyone is going suggesting nails and you asked about clamps, and I usedclamps, thought I would chime in. The clamps barely need to supply any pressure.I made mine very adjustable. The benefit of clamps is I can flip mine onand off the gussets easily. After the glue is applied to both the capstripand the gussets I can pop all the gussets in place and be done with them in amatter of a couple of minutes. Saved me a lot of time in the long run. Of coursethe jig is a little over-engineered and took longer to make but made up thetime in building all the ribs and I think they came out exactly as I planned.Here's a few links...http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?pag ... ter=0Leave a little overhang on the gusset and trim off later with a router and flushtrim bit.http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?pag ... -----Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Since everyone is going suggesting nails and you asked about clamps, and I usedclamps, thought I would chime in. The clamps barely need to supply any pressure.I made mine very adjustable. The benefit of clamps is I can flip mine onand off the gussets easily. After the glue is applied to both the capstripand the gussets I can pop all the gussets in place and be done with them in amatter of a couple of minutes. Saved me a lot of time in the long run. Of coursethe jig is a little over-engineered and took longer to make but made up thetime in building all the ribs and I think they came out exactly as I planned.Here's a few links...http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?pag ... ter=0Leave a little overhang on the gusset and trim off later with a router and flushtrim bit.http://www.flyingwood.com/index.asp?pag ... -----Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ___Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "KMHeide, BA, CPO, FAAOP"
Greg,Wow what a beautiful strip. I wish they made them like that in Northeast Ohio.With some of my landings I could sure use nice wide flat runways like that!!!!Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
Greg,Wow what a beautiful strip. I wish they made them like that in Northeast Ohio.With some of my landings I could sure use nice wide flat runways like that!!!!Don EmchRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ______Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:40:43 -0700 (PDT)
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "walt"
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
The original is 3872 X 25922.51 mbSend request off line.Greg ----- Original Message -----
The original is 3872 X 25922.51 mbSend request off line.Greg ----- Original Message -----
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: "Phillips, Jack"
HiHere is the method I used,I stole ideas off some others on this list and it workeda bloody treat.One side goes on in the jig and then the other using the sameclamps as Jack used no nails needed. Hope it helps.CarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peit ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt EvansDate: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:39:38 -0400
HiHere is the method I used,I stole ideas off some others on this list and it workeda bloody treat.One side goes on in the jig and then the other using the sameclamps as Jack used no nails needed. Hope it helps.CarsonRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/peit ... ___Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt EvansDate: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:39:38 -0400
Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Original Posted By: Dick Carden
I'm with Glenn, had a blast "engineering" and building a clamping jig. The ribsare built and epoxied very easily and have been impressively consistent.It's just one more sample......SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ ... ______Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:19:54 -0500 (CDT)
I'm with Glenn, had a blast "engineering" and building a clamping jig. The ribsare built and epoxied very easily and have been impressively consistent.It's just one more sample......SteveRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.p ... ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/rib_ ... ______Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:19:54 -0500 (CDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By: "Jack T. Textor"
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs?
Original Posted By: shad bell
It's all really a matter of preference whether you clamp, nail, or stapleyour gussets. The important thing is that youkeep the gusset in contact withthe capstrips and prevent the gusset from moving while the glue sets. If youuse clamps you can avoid the extra weight and handling of the tiny littlenails, or avoid the tedious job of pulling the staples (replaced by thepotentially tedious job of building a clamping system). In my case, I wentwith a clamping system, as can be seen here:http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildL ... 20CamperIt worked well for me, and I didn't mind designing or building it.When gluing the gussets on the back side of my ribs, I just pulled the ribout of the jig, flipped it over and placed the gussets in place with glue.No clamps or nails or staples. The rib does have to lay flat for this step,until the glue sets. But then, I kept my rib jig laying flat when gluing thefirst side as well, since the epoxy does have a tendency to flow when you'renot looking.Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
It's all really a matter of preference whether you clamp, nail, or stapleyour gussets. The important thing is that youkeep the gusset in contact withthe capstrips and prevent the gusset from moving while the glue sets. If youuse clamps you can avoid the extra weight and handling of the tiny littlenails, or avoid the tedious job of pulling the staples (replaced by thepotentially tedious job of building a clamping system). In my case, I wentwith a clamping system, as can be seen here:http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/buildL ... 20CamperIt worked well for me, and I didn't mind designing or building it.When gluing the gussets on the back side of my ribs, I just pulled the ribout of the jig, flipped it over and placed the gussets in place with glue.No clamps or nails or staples. The rib does have to lay flat for this step,until the glue sets. But then, I kept my rib jig laying flat when gluing thefirst side as well, since the epoxy does have a tendency to flow when you'renot looking.Bill C. ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:10:11 -0700 (PDT)
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By:> Dick Carden
Jack and Dick:Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replaceclevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller linkchain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pinsout with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just usethe outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with thechain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin andcotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotterpin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevispins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most ofmine where 13's and 17's.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
Jack and Dick:Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replaceclevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller linkchain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pinsout with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just usethe outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with thechain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin andcotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotterpin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevispins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most ofmine where 13's and 17's.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: No clamps on ribs?
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By:> Dick Carden
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle linksWould it not be possible to order a box of the master link covers?...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lmforge(at)earthlink.net writes:Jack and Dick:Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replaceclevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller linkchain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pinsout with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just usethe outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with thechain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin andcotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotterpin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevispins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most ofmine where 13's and 17's.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle linksWould it not be possible to order a box of the master link covers?...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/21/2008 5:24:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, lmforge(at)earthlink.net writes:Jack and Dick:Attached are a few photos of how I used drive chain links to replaceclevises. The chain size is a number 50. Get a length of #50 roller linkchain, 2 feet should be enough. Grind the pins off and then drive the pinsout with a punch. The inner link, with the rollers, are scrap, you just usethe outer links. Wherever you normally would use a clevis, replace with thechain links. As you can see form the photos, you use a clevis pin andcotter pin to hold the assembly together, with a washer under the cotterpin. You may need to use additional washers to space things out. The clevispins for a #50 chain are AN393 at whatever length you need. I think most ofmine where 13's and 17's.Rick SchreiberValparaiso, IN> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By:
Chrissi,You could use master links, but they are just a lot more expensive. If you do alittle scrounging, you can usually find some short links of chain that you canget for free. Thats what I did. I asked the maintenance dept. at work and theygave me a few short left over ends for free.When grinding off the pins, just make sure you don't go too far. Just grind oneend a little and then drive it out. You don't want to nick the link and weakenit.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Chrissi,You could use master links, but they are just a lot more expensive. If you do alittle scrounging, you can usually find some short links of chain that you canget for free. Thats what I did. I asked the maintenance dept. at work and theygave me a few short left over ends for free.When grinding off the pins, just make sure you don't go too far. Just grind oneend a little and then drive it out. You don't want to nick the link and weakenit.Rick Schreiber----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle linksHello good people!!You can fabricate these links on your own fairly easily from 4130. That's what I did. Just takes a few minutes. Down side is you have to paint them. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle linksHello good people!!You can fabricate these links on your own fairly easily from 4130. That's what I did. Just takes a few minutes. Down side is you have to paint them. Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: takeoff performance, Walt Evans
Original Posted By: walt
Wow that's a familiar phrase, especially when looking for Williamson Pa airportand the FSSJohn------Original Message------
Wow that's a familiar phrase, especially when looking for Williamson Pa airportand the FSSJohn------Original Message------
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:10:38 -0400
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:10:38 -0400
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By: "Richard Schreiber"
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motorcycle links>>> I'm a bit confused about what motorcycle links to use, and how to usethem. Does anyone have photos of how motorcycle links are used? If so, I'dappreciate directions to a site. Thanks, Dick Carden >>It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here.________________________________________________________________________________