Original Posted By: "TOM STINEMETZE"
I( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design that are on this list.maybe Ican get some answers,the plans call for a separate steering horn for the tailwheelthe way I see it.Mine has a set if extra cables attached to the rudder cablesto pull the tailwheel horns but I also made a set of the horns the planscalled for to be bolted to the bottom of the rudder to go to the tailwheel. Whatis the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the fuselagefabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short set of cables?I expect that there are good and bad with either but I would appreciatesome advice from anybody that has tried it.RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0918#200918________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:51:13 -0500
Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steering horn
Original Posted By: "Skip Gadd"
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steering hornI have seen this done poorly on a KR-2 with Nicopress sleeves, if I were to do this though I would prefer to make a loop around an eye, add the Nicopress sleeve, run one leg to the rudder and one to the tail wheel. Run a new cable forward to the rudder pedals. The question I would have is what is the greatest angle allowable for two cable ends exiting from a Nicopress fitting?Seems to me there would be a lot of "working" of the fittings here caused by the tail wheel that would be better absorbed by the "idler bar" inside the fueselage?...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/27/2008 10:54:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, TOMS(at)mcpcity.com writes:> What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short setof cables? <I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it but, overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar would weighmore. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the rudder cables about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the pulleys?)Tom StinemetzeMcPherson, KS(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steering hornI have seen this done poorly on a KR-2 with Nicopress sleeves, if I were to do this though I would prefer to make a loop around an eye, add the Nicopress sleeve, run one leg to the rudder and one to the tail wheel. Run a new cable forward to the rudder pedals. The question I would have is what is the greatest angle allowable for two cable ends exiting from a Nicopress fitting?Seems to me there would be a lot of "working" of the fittings here caused by the tail wheel that would be better absorbed by the "idler bar" inside the fueselage?...ChrissiCG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardwarewww.CozyGirrrl.com Cozy Mk-IV RG 13B-turboPlans #957 Chapter? big pieces done, details, details==============================If you have a "Spam Blocker" that requires we fill out a form you will not hear from us.Please do not make your spam problem ours. In a message dated 8/27/2008 10:54:26 A.M. Central Daylight Time, TOMS(at)mcpcity.com writes:> What is the best way to go here-have the extra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use the horns on the rudder and a short setof cables? <I am ready to ask that same question. It appears that an extra control horn on the rudder would add extra weight just where you don't want it but, overall, an extra set of cables running all the way to the rudder bar would weighmore. Is there a way to attach the steering cables to the rudder cables about half way back (i.e. just aft or forward of the pulleys?)Tom StinemetzeMcPherson, KS(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
RE: Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Original Posted By:> skellytown flyer
Felix the GN-1 I bought has the extra horn per plans. It seems to workfine. Tom is right there may be more weight aft. There is also more wood asyou have to fill in the corner gusset with spruce to help out with theextra stress that horn puts on the rudder. This method is more simplethough, and that is good.Skip> [Original Message]
Felix the GN-1 I bought has the extra horn per plans. It seems to workfine. Tom is right there may be more weight aft. There is also more wood asyou have to fill in the corner gusset with spruce to help out with theextra stress that horn puts on the rudder. This method is more simplethough, and that is good.Skip> [Original Message]
Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
Original Posted By: AMsafetyC(at)aol.com
Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1 flyers asto how the plane is doing .RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#200999________________________________________________________________________________
Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1 flyers asto how the plane is doing .RaymondRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#200999________________________________________________________________________________
, August 27, 2008 5:18:54 PM=0A Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
Original Posted By: H RULE
RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
Original Posted By:> skellytown flyer
Raymond, Yes the Piet, I mean GN-1 is flying. This past weekend we flewfrom WV to Merrys Pymatunning on the OH/PA border. It was 3 hours each way.Went with a Colt, Chief and Cub. The Piet and Cub fly about the same incruise, the Chief a little faster and the Colt went ahead and checked outthe restaurant at the fuel stop. First actual camp out in the aircamper,great trip.Skip> [Original Message]
Raymond, Yes the Piet, I mean GN-1 is flying. This past weekend we flewfrom WV to Merrys Pymatunning on the OH/PA border. It was 3 hours each way.Went with a Colt, Chief and Cub. The Piet and Cub fly about the same incruise, the Chief a little faster and the Colt went ahead and checked outthe restaurant at the fuel stop. First actual camp out in the aircamper,great trip.Skip> [Original Message]
Re: Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Original Posted By: Kirk Huizenga
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: steering hornPieter's I have been making taxi test and last night ended in the government set=aside acres. What weight do you guys on the tail wheel when inthe cockpit. Also I have 19 in motorcycle wheels with modified cleveland brakesand they are about like a stick in a soapbox car. When taxing down the run way it seems to take a long time for my correction to kick in. My springs arepretty tight but had them loose when i got into the tall (6 ft) grass. Thanks. Ken Conrad in Iowa with great weather**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: steering hornPieter's I have been making taxi test and last night ended in the government set=aside acres. What weight do you guys on the tail wheel when inthe cockpit. Also I have 19 in motorcycle wheels with modified cleveland brakesand they are about like a stick in a soapbox car. When taxing down the run way it seems to take a long time for my correction to kick in. My springs arepretty tight but had them loose when i got into the tall (6 ft) grass. Thanks. Ken Conrad in Iowa with great weather**************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals ... 0000000047)________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Original Posted By: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
Ken,On NX18235 with me in the cockpit (190#) it brings the aircraft weight to 811#. The weight on the tailwheel is 116#. The mains are 19" spoked wheels and the axle is positioned 20" aft of the firewall. It is equipped with a tailskid and no brakes.Ground handling is generally docile. The most trouble I have is when I try to taxi in a crosswind or downwind when the wind gets above 12mph.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Ken,On NX18235 with me in the cockpit (190#) it brings the aircraft weight to 811#. The weight on the tailwheel is 116#. The mains are 19" spoked wheels and the axle is positioned 20" aft of the firewall. It is equipped with a tailskid and no brakes.Ground handling is generally docile. The most trouble I have is when I try to taxi in a crosswind or downwind when the wind gets above 12mph.Greg Cardinal----- Original Message -----
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how?
Original Posted By: "Allan Macklem"
Lowell,Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding the superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil. In Tim Willis' posting I read about the GA3OU 613.5 airfoil.If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612 airfoil seems to be preferred over the 613.5 for aircraft with 100+ hp. I'm intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet.Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes relating to the GA30U-612 airfoil?Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil.Regards,Allan Macklem ________________________________________________________________________________
Lowell,Two years ago at Brodhead I listened to your conversation regarding the superiority of the GA30U-612 airfoil over BP's airfoil. In Tim Willis' posting I read about the GA3OU 613.5 airfoil.If I am understanding the thread of conversation correctly the 612 airfoil seems to be preferred over the 613.5 for aircraft with 100+ hp. I'm intending to use a WW Corvair conversion for my Piet.Who should I contact to get a print, coordinates, and any notes relating to the GA30U-612 airfoil?Please confirm my understanding in selecting the 612 airfoil.Regards,Allan Macklem ________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: From print to jig...how?
Original Posted By: "Allan Macklem"
Roman,Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?Allan________________________________________________________________________________
Roman,Do you have the print for the GA3OU 612 airfoil?Allan________________________________________________________________________________
Re: Pietenpol-List: Weight and balance question
Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
Walt,Please send me your weight/balance Excel program.Thanks,Allan________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:54:39 -0500
Walt,Please send me your weight/balance Excel program.Thanks,Allan________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:54:39 -0500
Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Raymond; here is a pic of the tailwheel setup on Ernie Moreno's airplane: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tailwh01.jpgAnd another one: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Pb030025.jpgDoesn't seem that it would add any appreciable amount of weight but then again,this airplane is very tail-heavy.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
Raymond; here is a pic of the tailwheel setup on Ernie Moreno's airplane: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/tailwh01.jpgAnd another one: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/Pb030025.jpgDoesn't seem that it would add any appreciable amount of weight but then again,this airplane is very tail-heavy.Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CCSan Antonio, TXmailto: taildrags(at)hotmail.comwebsite at http://www.flysquirrel.net________________________________________________________________________________
> Pietenpol-List: steering horn
Original Posted By: Michael Perez
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: steering horn>>> I( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design that are on thislist.maybe I can get some answers,the plans call for a separate steeringhorn for the tailwheel the way I see it.Mine has a set if extra cablesattached to the rudder cables to pull the tailwheel horns but I also made aset of the horns the plans called for to be bolted to the bottom of therudder to go to the tailwheel. What is the best way to go here-have theextra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use thehorns on the rudder and a short set of cables? I expect that there are goodand bad with either but I would appreciate some advice from anybody thathas tried it.Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0918#200918>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: steering horn>>> I( don't know how many are flying the GN-1 design that are on thislist.maybe I can get some answers,the plans call for a separate steeringhorn for the tailwheel the way I see it.Mine has a set if extra cablesattached to the rudder cables to pull the tailwheel horns but I also made aset of the horns the plans called for to be bolted to the bottom of therudder to go to the tailwheel. What is the best way to go here-have theextra cables going through the fuselage fabric all the way back or use thehorns on the rudder and a short set of cables? I expect that there are goodand bad with either but I would appreciate some advice from anybody thathas tried it.Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0918#200918>>________________________________________________________________________________Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:53:50 -0700 (PDT)
> Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn
Original Posted By: Wizzard187(at)aol.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn>>> Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1flyers as to how the plane is doing .Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#200999>>________________________________________________________________________________
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: steering horn>>> Skip-is your airplane flying now? I would sure like to hear from GN-1flyers as to how the plane is doing .Raymond>>> Read this topic online here:>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0999#200999>>________________________________________________________________________________