RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 1:09 pm

Original Posted By: HelsperSew(at)aol.com
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> > My suspected enemies list Russia, China, Iran, etc> > I lived in Russia in 1989, before the fall of The Iron Curtain and > while I like Russians, I am HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS of their leadership. > Putin has killed journalists who wrote unflattering articles about > him and then of course he poisoned a former KGB spy in London 4 > years ago with something along the lines of plutonium (dumped in > his soup in a London restaurant ). And the new guy who replaced > Putin and invaded Georgia, he would LOVE to start-up the Cold War > again. Ahhh, the good old days

> > I'd suggest adding Venezuela and North Korea (especially now that > Kim Jung il is out of the picture and the military is taking > over). > Algeria, Libya could almost be on this list, as well as the Saudis.> > Unfortunately I still have to buy Chinese made goods. They are the > only thing out there.> For this, I would normally say we need to contact our elected > officials and tell them STOP THE BLOOD-LETTING of US dollars going > to China... but I have lost so much faith in our Congress because > former members of Congress now lobby for China. China's influence > in Washington and corporate America is amazing, but then again we > as consumers go to Sears and we buy the $36 drill (made in China) > over the $50 drill made in Wisconsin. > > > > _________________________________________________________________> Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.> http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jam ... .live.com-> Blog-cns!550F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 6:01 pm

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
My suspected enemies list Russia=2C China=2C Iran=2C etcI lived in Russia in 1989=2C before the fall of The Iron Curtain and while I like Russians=2C I am HIGHLY SUSPICIOUS of their leadership. Putin has killed journalists who wrote unflattering articles about him and then of course he poisoned a former KGB spy in London 4 years ago with something along the lines of plutonium (dumped in his soup in a London restaurant ). And the new guy who replaced Putin and invaded Georgia=2C he would LOVE to start-up the Cold War again. Ahhh=2C the good old days =3B)I'd suggest adding Venezuela and North Korea (especially now that Kim Jung il is out of the picture and the military is taking over). Algeria=2C Libya could almost be on this list=2C as well as the Saudis.Unfortunately I still have to buy Chinese made goods. They are the only thing out there.For this=2C I would normally say we need to contact our elected officials and tell them STOP THE BLOOD-LETTING of US dollars going to China... but I have lost so much faith in our Congress because former members of Congress now lobby for China. China's influence in Washington and corporate America is amazing=2C but then again we as consumers go to Sears and we buy the $36 drill (made in China) over the $50 drill made in Wisconsin. _________________________________________________________________Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live.http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jam ... __________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Sep 19, 2008 9:18 pm

Original Posted By: Roy Brooks
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy USBelieve it or not I would buy a $50 US made drill over a $36 Chinese drill. ButI can't find the $50 US Drill. I bought a Leaf blower made in Thailand ( thespelling on that does not look right) because it was the only non Chinese blowerat Lowes. I felt very patriotic (I am very happy with it.)Blue Skies and Buy American ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:07 am

Original Posted By:> "Ryan Mueller" Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and > never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash > cans to transport the tools to the curb> > John> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry> > -----Original Message-----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 5:10 am

Original Posted By: H RULE
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy USHi Guys,Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came to a screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to my oldA&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more expensivethan cheap tools". Dan HelsperPoplar Grove, IL.**************Looking for simple solutions to your real-life financial challenges? Check out WalletPop for the latest news and information, tips andcalculators. (http://www.walletpop.com/?NCID=emlcntuswall00000001)________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 04:50:08 -0700 (PDT)

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:59 am

Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 7:56 am

Original Posted By: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB"
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matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 8:13 am

Original Posted By: amsafetyc(at)aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy USTools burning up are common for Harbour Freight tools. That is why you can justtake them back for a replacement so easy. Of course the next one may burn upalso. Yeah they are cheep.Blue skies.Steve----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:11 am

Original Posted By: "Jose Soto"
Hi Ryan,I had the same problem - got one of the plastic ones & it only worked so-so to crappy. I think the only place to find one of the old, good ones is if you had an '"in" at a public school that had one squirreled away in storage. What I wound up doing was getting an old scroll saw (jigsaw?? - the benchtop thing, not the hand-held type) at a garage sale for $5 & clamping a straight piece of wood to it as a fence. Works really fast & you can stack 3-4 pieces of wood to make it go even faster. It's real easy to make short straight cuts on any odd-shaped pieces as well. Of course, if you already have a bandsaw, it can do the same job as the jigsaw.Kip GardnerOn Sep 20, 2008, at 9:38 AM, Ryan Mueller wrote:> I'm trying to locate a paper cutter, to use for cutting up gussets. > I'm hoping to find a plain old used paper cutter along the lines of > the simple, hefty units they used to have in schools, offices, etc. > I would think there would be plenty of surplus used ones out there, > but I'm coming up empty on where to find them. The office supply > mega-stores have paper cutters, but usually only a handful of > models. They're either ridiculously expensive, or not worth the > cheap Chinese plastic they're made out of ($32 for a junk unit that > is almost lighter than the box and styrofoam it is packed in). The > used office supply places I've called around to seem to only deal > with furniture (desks, filing cabinets, etc). Any suggestions?>> Ryan>>________________________________________________________________________________

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:31 am

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Hi Ryan, from my R/C modeling, I have some friends that have laser cutting equipment and I am going to try to set up all of the gussets on a CAD file to see how they turn out. I'll let you know, Jose----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 9:48 am

Original Posted By: Ryan Mueller
Ryan:Try ebay for used ones??Michael ----- Original Message -----

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 10:33 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:47 pm

Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:59 pm

Original Posted By:Jon> steven.d.dortch(at)us.army.mil> To: pietenpol-list(at)matronics.com> D
Oddly after building 2 aluminum airplanes the belt sander=2C 2 wheel grinder=2C and drill press that my dad bought 10 years ago from HF are still going strong. Total investment: $150.

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:43 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:10 am

Original Posted By: Michael Perez

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:02 am

Original Posted By: "Rick Holland"
I have found that Harbor Freight stuff has been fine for things where precisiondoesn't matter. For example, my metal bandsaw from HF is great, used it quitea bit and no complaints. I also have their dust collector (which really helpskeep the mess from the planer, jointer and router under control) and it tooworks like a charm....but things like the planer, and jointer, I went top shelf or at least with whatgot good online reviews. You can always Google "reviews" and the name ofthe tool your thinking about. There's a strong likelihood that if the tool isjunk, you can learn from the frustration of others. If a tool stinks there isprobably somebody screaming about it on-line. The alternative is Grizzly orNorthern Tool which are slightly more expensive but seem to be a better sourceof tools.So, is HF a source of nothing but junk? No. Just do some research and you willusually be able to accurately set expectations on quality and performance.--------Glenn ThomasN?????http://www.flyingwood.comRead this topic online here:http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 5500#205500________________________________________________________________________________Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2008 09:27:23 -0600

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:33 pm

Original Posted By: "Ryan Mueller"
> To: Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> > > Dan,> > We had a similarly frustrating experience with one of their crappy tools. We> picked up the 40 lb pressurized blaster they sell. We needed to do (still> need to do) some blasting of various engine parts; it was on sale, so I> thought we'd give it a shot. I knew everything they sold was pretty well> throw away stuff, but how bad could a blaster be? No moving parts, no> motors, etc. Just a valve to turn it off and on.> > It came disassembled. No big deal. I put it together using plenty of teflon> tape, and applying more than enough torque to the numerous valve bodies,> manifolds, fittings, hoses, etc. I put the air to it and it leaked like a> seize from damn near everywhere. It even leaked air profusely from around> the bell jar shaped housing that attached to the main body of the air> separator (because of being so poorly manufactured). I could try to chase> all the leaks out of it, but the air separator was still completely junk and> was not going to seal up. I boxed the whole mess back up and we returned it.> Very frustrating day.> > Good luck on your search for a decent saw. Have a good morning,> > Ryan> > On Sat, Sep 20, 2008 at 5:10 AM, > > Hi Guys,> >> > Just today I was trying to carve my prop. The first step is to horse most> > of the material off with an electric chain saw. So I bought a Chinese model> > from Harbor Freight. After only about 30 minutes of use, the thing came toa> > screeching halt. Investigation revealed that the bearings got so hot that> > the plastic housing melted. What a bunch of crap! I should have listened to> > my old A&P instructor, L.B. Applegate, when he said "there is nothing more> > expensive than cheap tools".> > Dan Helsper> > Poplar Grove, IL> >> ________________________________________________________________________________Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2008 08:38:58 -0500

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:33 pm

Original Posted By:reless BlackBerry> > > > -----Original Message-----> > "Ryan Mueller"
: Pietenpol-List: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > > > Truth is you go harbor freight for throw away tools. Cheap and > > never take up space in your shop fortunately the also sell trash > > cans to transport the tools to the curb> > > > John> > Sent from my Verizon Wi

matronics · Post by **matronics** » Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:33 pm

Original Posted By: "Glenn Thomas"
Where are their grandkids... or great grandkids for that matter? Don't they know that if they don't teach the little ones to love antique flying it will die with them? :(Sweet airboat though. :)pol-list(at)matronics.comSubject: Pietenpol-List: The "America"Off-topic=2C but of interest to those that like antique/classic aircraft....http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_1Z_wxA2CYThe Curtiss "America"=2C a replica of the first twin engined flying boat. Apparently it was designed with the intent of crossing the Atlantic. Twin OX-5's sound VERY nice!Ryando not archive_________________________________________________________________See how Windows connects the people=2C information=2C and fun that are part of your life.________________________________________________________________________________Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: China SkyCatcher OT Buy US

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